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Iron Man couldn't keep up with the Sentry, but he was still able to follow him nearly all the way to the sun.
Oh, if Bob was on the team... It would be over in seconds. Man if it was just Bob VS. these X-Men... Over in seconds...
Originally posted by Adam Warlock
These are scans from NA #20 courtesy of Scoobless:1. http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan00196fp.jpg
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5. http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan00233kw.jpgIron Man couldn't keep up with the Sentry, but he was still able to follow him nearly all the way to the sun.
Once again i agree
Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Oh, if Bob was on the team... It would be over in seconds. Man if it was just Bob VS. these X-Men... Over in seconds...
Yesss ... he could confuse them to death, by trying to explain his powers. 🙂
can we all agree that it would basically be the x-men VS iron-man here? good. let's not forget the fact that storm has force-fields that can protect her and cyke. cyke just keeps releasing full power optic blasts at tony, while storm creates a hurricane like the one in the pic i showed, and kitty casually sneaks up behind him and phases through his suit. yes...he knows their abilities...but they all also know what he is capable of as well.
Originally posted by Scarlet_Spidey
Yeah ... but he always heals very quickly and he never ages. He can't die unless he hasn't got oxygen.
He does age. Just very slowly. Again, just trying to help.
And he can die other ways as well. Like being completely incenerated. or too much damage to himself. His healing can be and has been overloaded.
But I would definitely get my facts straight first before you try and pass them off as the only authority.
Originally posted by nimbus006
I wasn't refering to your post, mostly the ones before. I know Luke Cage cannot hold down Colusses that why i said that he would be f*cked up after, but i had to do something with him. And thats a good point about Colusses not breathing. However, i do believe that Wolverine is more than capable of stalemating Cap. They both are supremely skilled fighters (whether or not you don't think Wolverine is), both are above peak human ability in alomst everything, and both have great defenses (Cap has shield, Wolverine- has Healing factor). Ironman is too much for either Kitty or Storm. Ironman stood up to the combined forces of all the mutants in the world combined (Collectivist)and wasn't even that phased. I believe he can handle Storm and Kitty. Since your right about Colusses not being phased by the phermones attack, then once Spiderman is done with Beast , he has a tough battle with Colusses which in my opinion tips in Spiderman scale at the end (He is just to versatile).Would be an interesting fight to be honest. Oh and i forgot about Echo, she can help Jessica by distracting Cyclops.
I appreciate your effort there to use some logic (really, I do, since most people just tend to throw it to the wind and toss out some biased answer), but I must disagree with some things.
Iron Man has basically no offense against Kitty. She has every offense against him. I believe she alone will take him out. Iron Man did not take on every single mutant in the world. He couldn't have. He'd be dead if he did. Do you know how many mutants there are? And how powerful most of them are? He'd be a memory after that battle. Hell, there are single mutants who can completely decimate him.
And I love Spider-Man, but he's not doing a damn thing to Colossus. Try as he might and as versatile as he may be, his attacks will be completely futile against the mighty Russian. As soon as Colossus gets his hands on him (which there is a good chance, with Spidey being on the offensive as you say), it's over for Spider-Man.
Cyclops will definitely be a problem for all of the NA. He can blast pretty much all of them as fast as he can look at 'em.
Again, the X-men are just too much for this team.
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Originally posted by Scarlet_Spidey
Yeah but ehm ... what yeardate 😉 . Still, it proves that he is immortal.
He's not immortal, I'm sorry. He was born in the late 19th century and is about 120-130 years old right now. He DOES age, just VERY SLOWLY. And YES, he will eventually die of old age. It will take probably another century or two, but he will eventually pass away.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I appreciate your effort there to use some logic (really, I do, since most people just tend to throw it to the wind and toss out some biased answer), but I must disagree with some things.Iron Man has basically no offense against Kitty. She has every offense against him. I believe she alone will take him out. Iron Man did not take on every single mutant in the world. He couldn't have. He'd be dead if he did. Do you know how many mutants there are? And how powerful most of them are? He'd be a memory after that battle. Hell, there are single mutants who can completely decimate him.
No offense ? .... What if Kitty goes to attack Tony Iron mans suit. She solidifys, and another suit hits her from behind with a concussive blast. Iron man wins 🙂
Originally posted by Metalmanx
And I love Spider-Man, but he's not doing a damn thing to Colossus. Try as he might and as versatile as he may be, his attacks will be completely futile against the mighty Russian. As soon as Colossus gets his hands on him (which there is a good chance, with Spidey being on the offensive as you say), it's over for Spider-Man.Cyclops will definitely be a problem for all of the NA. He can blast pretty much all of them as fast as he can look at 'em..
Agreed
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Again, the X-men are just too much for this team. ..
I disagree, Iron man can take out most of them at the same time, Spiderman, Cap and Luke Cage take ot the stragglers. 🙂
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
No offense ? .... What if Kitty goes to attack Tony Iron mans suit. She solidifys, and another suit hits her from behind with a concussive blast. Iron man wins 🙂Agreed
I disagree, Iron man can take out most of them at the same time, Spiderman, Cap and Luke Cage take ot the stragglers. 🙂
...Why would Kitty become tangible when she doesn't have to be? Especially considering that intangibility is her natural state. She's much smarter than that, especially considering her opponents.
Iron Man does have the ability to cause major damage to them all, but so does Storm. Just as easily as you say IM can do that, Storm can do the same to the NA.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
...Why would Kitty become tangible when she doesn't have to be? Especially considering that intangibility is her natural state. She's much smarter than that, especially considering her opponents.Iron Man does have the ability to cause major damage to them all, but so does Storm. Just as easily as you say IM can do that, Storm can do the same to the NA.
Like I said before, Tony's much faster than any of them and can multitask easily. He could take out Storm and Cyclops right away and then worry about Kitty while the rest of his team handle the rest of the X-men.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
...Why would Kitty become tangible when she doesn't have to be? Especially considering that intangibility is her natural state. She's much smarter than that, especially considering her opponents.
How the hell is she supposed to hurt him, unless she becomes tangible. To say she can harm someone when intangible, is an Oxymoron. 🙂
Originally posted by Metalmanx
...Iron Man does have the ability to cause major damage to them all, but so does Storm. Just as easily as you say IM can do that, Storm can do the same to the NA..
Storm is a real powerhouse who is regularly underated, but it would take musch for someone like Cap to Speed Blitz her, Sneek up on her. 🙂
Originally posted by Accel
Iron Man used an energy he called Zero Point Energy or something against the Collective. I believe it would prove useful against Kitty while she's intangible because IIRC it's based off of Magneto's powers.Like I said before, Tony's much faster than any of them and can multitask easily. He could take out Storm and Cyclops right away and then worry about Kitty while the rest of his team handle the rest of the X-men.
I've been wondering something. What does IIRC mean?
And although I understand where you're coming from, at the moment it's pure speculation as to whether or not Iron Man can defend himself against Kitty. Especially if he is busy with others at the time and gets ambushed or anything like that.
And yes, he's fast. But he's not fast enough to completely catch them off guard from a complete standstill. Only super-speedsters can do that. He needs to build up speed. They would see him coming. And Cyke could even keep him at bay as long as he keeps his eyes (eye, haha) on him.
Anyone who goes for Colossus gets their ass kicked. Anyone who goes for Storm will get fried. And so on and so forth.
Can you give me a brief synopsis about this Collective I've been hearing about?
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
How the hell is she supposed to hurt him, unless she becomes tangible. To say she can harm someone when intangible, is an Oxymoron. 🙂Storm is a real powerhouse who is regularly underated, but it would take musch for someone like Cap to Speed Blitz her, Sneek up on her. 🙂
Dude. That's what Kitty does. She doesn't become tangible to hurt electronics. She phases right through them, staying intangible the whole way.
And when did Cap learn to fly or run at sub-sonic speeds? Because it'd be a cold day in Hell before Storm decided to take this fight from the ground. Besides, Cap is going to have his hands extremely full with either Beast or Wolverine, either of which can stalemate him (I actually think Beast would beat him, but that's me).
Metal Max the Collectvist holds the combined power of all the mutants who lost theirs in House of M, thats why i said Iron Man took a shot from the combined forces of all the mutants, b/c he did techincally. He is a mutant who absorbs energy, and was struck by a ball of energy that came from the sky and now he is believed to have the combined powers of all of them.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I've been wondering something. What does IIRC mean?And although I understand where you're coming from, at the moment it's pure speculation as to whether or not Iron Man can defend himself against Kitty. Especially if he is busy with others at the time and gets ambushed or anything like that.
And yes, he's fast. But he's not fast enough to completely catch them off guard from a complete standstill. Only super-speedsters can do that. He needs to build up speed. They would see him coming. And Cyke could even keep him at bay as long as he keeps his eyes (eye, haha) on him.
Anyone who goes for Colossus gets their ass kicked. Anyone who goes for Storm will get fried. And so on and so forth.
Can you give me a brief synopsis about this Collective I've been hearing about?
When The Scarlet Witch caused 99% of all mutants to lose their powers, all that mutant energy went into space. It came back down onto Earth and possessed a mutant named Micheal and, thus, became the Collective. It essentially had all the powers of the the mutants who lost their powers on M-Day (Magneto, Quicksilver, Jubilee, etc).
IM does a have a degree of super-speed, now, as his fight with Crimson Dynamo has shown...
http://img68.imageshack.us/my.php?image=im070108sz.jpg
...but I will agree that any defenses Tony has against Kitty is pretty speculation at this point.
However, against Colossus, Tony doe have the option of pulling out those magnetic repulsors he used on Hulk before to keep him in the air.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Dude. That's what Kitty does. She doesn't become tangible to hurt electronics. She phases right through them, staying intangible the whole way.
Fair enough, Cap will have prepared for this, and have her fighting against someone she'll be less dangerous against. Meanwhile Tony (While quite Sucessfully taking out numerous other X-men), has one of his other suits ready to strike whenever, she becomes tangible.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
And when did Cap learn to fly or run at sub-sonic speeds? .
He's taken out airbourne targets many a time b4(With the shield), and hes currently dodging bullets in his own title.
[i]Because it'd be a cold day in Hell before Storm decided to take this fight from the ground..[/B]
Yeah maybe, but i thought we agreed that Ironman is more than up to the task of beating her
[i]Besides, Cap is going to have his hands extremely full with either Beast or Wolverine, either of which can stalemate him (I actually think Beast would beat him, but that's me)...[/B]
I agree that Logan is more than a match, but Henry ? Dont make me laugh. 🙂
Originally posted by Accel
IIRC= If I Recall Correctly.When The Scarlet Witch caused 99% of all mutants to lose their powers, all that mutant energy went into space. It came back down onto Earth and possessed a mutant named Micheal and, thus, became the Collective. It essentially had all the powers of the the mutants who lost their powers on M-Day (Magneto, Quicksilver, Jubilee, etc).
IM does a have a degree of super-speed, now, as his fight with Crimson Dynamo has shown...
http://img68.imageshack.us/my.php?image=im070108sz.jpg
...but I will agree that any defenses Tony has against Kitty is pretty speculation at this point.However, against Colossus, Tony doe have the option of pulling out those magnetic repulsors he used on Hulk before to keep him in the air.
Ah, I see. What I want to know is how Iron Man defended himself against Magneto's powers. Unless, of course, this Micheal had no idea how to use said powers. Which still makes no sense. 99% of mutants powers in on person and he can't defeat Iron Man? No offense, but that sounds like a major case of PIS to me, and I hardly EVER say that.
And I know he has a degree of super-speed, but nothing faster than these X-men have seen before, that's all I meant.
And yes. Tony could keep Colossus at bay like that, but he will be leaving himself open to other attacks. And as soon as Kitty gets to him (I really believe she will), that's it for that. Colossus can then tear him apart.
Like I said before, this is pretty much X-men vs. Iron Man (and to a degree, Iron Spider-Man as well).
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Fair enough, Cap will have prepared for this, and have her fighting against someone she'll be less dangerous against. Meanwhile Tony (While quite Sucessfully taking out numerous other X-men), has one of his other suits ready to strike whenever, she becomes tangible.He's taken out airbourne targets many a time b4(With the shield), and hes currently dodging bullets in his own title.
Yeah maybe, but i thought we agreed that Ironman is more than up to the task of beating her
I agree that Logan is more than a match, but Henry ? Dont make me laugh. 🙂
I'm sorry, man. This isn't working. You can just say Cap will make Kitty fight someone else. Maybe if he asks her real nice, she'll leave Iron Man alone 🙄 . Besides, who else can do a thing to her? None of them. She won't stay tangible in this fight. Why would she?
And it seems that you are underestimating Beast, like everony else does. Beast has more than what it takes to defeat Cap (stronger, faster, much smarter, brilliant tactician, resourceful as hell, more agile, better reflexes, better dexterity, superior equilibrium, better senses, a healing factor, etc.). But whatever, I'll let you think that. Doesn't change the fact that Cap is a non-factor in this fight.
