New Avengers #20

Started by Validus7 pages

Originally posted by H. S. 6
New Avengers #20 was a giant heap of WTF.

Agree. New Avengers is one of the books I keep buying even though the quality is completely lacking. Deodato's asstastic artwork isn't helping matters.

His art in this disgusts me.

And to think, I loved the art in his run with Amazing Spidey. ❌

Well the coloring is at least partially to blame but I'm not a huge fan of his style anyway. His work on Spidey was way better.

New Avengers is one of the books I keep buying even though the quality is completely lacking.

That's why I simply quit buying it. I think if everyone who felt the way you did dropped the book, and everyone with a Bendis Boner read the book from a fresh perspective and got around the name recognition, they'd drop it too, and Marvel would have to revamp or cancel it because of sales.

There was nothing wrong with the old Avengers. Aside from the fact that they let Johns leave.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I can see it now. The IM fans are gonn be like "IM's faster than light he flew to the Sun and back". Well for one we don't know how long it took cause there was no time captions or anything but either way it's still impressive.

No .... Only Superman fanboys are desperate enough to use that one. 😉 😎 😄

Originally posted by Validus
Agree. New Avengers is one of the books I keep buying even though the quality is completely lacking. Deodato's asstastic artwork isn't helping matters.

Its like watching England in the World cup .... your so depsrate for them to be good, that you over hype everything they do right, but you know deep down that they're shit. Even Whirly was really into this last New Avengers arc, and we all know what hes like about Bendis, and Marvel in general. 🙂

What was so speial about it anyway?

Originally posted by ScarletSpider
That's why I simply quit buying it. I think if everyone who felt the way you did dropped the book, and everyone with a Bendis Boner read the book from a fresh perspective and got around the name recognition, they'd drop it too, and Marvel would have to revamp or cancel it because of sales.

There was nothing wrong with the old Avengers. Aside from the fact that they let Johns leave.

Geoff Johns was writing the old Avengers book ?

'There was nothing wrong with the old Avengers.'

I disagree mate, b4 dissasmbled it was reallly average. Its slightly better now, but its so dissapointing seeing such a good writer writing really below par work. IMO he should swap roles with Stransynski (Sorry about the spelling) on Spiderman. I think Ellis could do a good job as well. 🙂

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I can see it now. The IM fans are gonn be like "IM's faster than light he flew to the Sun and back". Well for one we don't know how long it took cause there was no time captions or anything but either way it's still impressive.

IM didn't actually go to the sun.... only Sentry did, IM just hung about in Earth's orbit watching him..... i think.... i'll go check again

Originally posted by Accel
At least we know Sentry's main strategy now.

Sentry: "I could throw him into the Sun."
Cap: "No."
Sentry: "What if I just throw him into the Sun?"
Cap: "No, Bob."
Sentry: "Say, I have an idea. Why don't I try throwing him into the Sun?"
Cap: "All right, Bob, all right! You want to throw him into the Sun, then fine! Go ahead already!"
Sentry: "Yay! Come on, Iron Man, we get to throw somebody into the Sun!"

I think Sentry posts on KMC in all the Superman threads

Originally posted by HellMaster93
What was so speial about it anyway?

Nothing, and thats what my shit analogy was trying to convey. Everyone is so desperate for New avengers to be a good book, that when its 'ok', everyone starts raving about it. 🙂 IMO Bendis should stick to what he does best, i.e. realistic, noir, streetlevel work. 🙂

Originally posted by Scoobless
IM didn't actually go to the sun.... only Sentry did, IM just hung about in Earth's orbit watching him..... i think.... i'll go check again

The scans:

1. http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan00196fp.jpg
2. http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan00202ii.jpg
3. http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan00215jn.jpg
4. http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan00223sw.jpg
5. http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan00233kw.jpg

The first scan shows Iron Man being totally unable to keep up with the Sentry

the fact that Sentry arrives back down two full pages after Iron Man tells me that he didn't go much, if anything, beyond Earth orbit

Oh yeah..... apparently Sentry's cape/clothes can survive entering the damn Sun! 🤨 .....WTF is up with that?

WTF? Who was that guy? He killed AF?

Geoff Johns was writing the old Avengers book ?

'There was nothing wrong with the old Avengers.'

I disagree mate, b4 dissasmbled it was reallly average. Its slightly better now, but its so dissapointing seeing such a good writer writing really below par work. IMO he should swap roles with Stransynski (Sorry about the spelling) on Spiderman. I think Ellis could do a good job as well.

Geoff Johns did the Red Zone arc which was pretty good. He also did something with a new group of Zodiac, which will probably just languish as a dangling plot thread forevermore.

The only thing wrong with Avengers before hand, is they let Austen on the book. That was it, as far as I'm concerned. To go from a nigh-legendary run by Busiek--which admittedly did have some low points--and to wind up with Chuck Austen on the book? Something was ****ed up. But it was nothing that couldn't have been fixed.

I agree, I think JMS would do some interesting things with the Avengers, his Amazing Spider-Man as of recently hasn't really grabbed me, but I like his Fantastic Four well enough. Although I wouldn't swap it out and give Amazing Spider-Man to Bendis, I'd hand it off to a different writer. I say this a lot when it comes to a writer I'd like to see on a book, but I'd like to see Priest on Spider-Man. He edited the book for years, he knows Spider-Man and I think while everyone else is complaining about Peter being married, or being unmasked, or this and that, Priest could take it and make an interesting story. Whether or not it would sell...therein lies the problem.

I don't think Ellis could do it, not because he lacks talent, but because he prefers seemingly to reside on the outskirts of superhero territory.

Meh... just get Frank Miller... then the comic'll be fun for... all the wrong reasons... LOL, I can just see Cap force feeding rats to bucky...

🙄 I'd buy that!

Originally posted by HellMaster93
Meh... just get Frank Miller... then the comic'll be fun for... all the wrong reasons... LOL, I can just see Cap force feeding rats to bucky...

"I'm the g*ddamn Captain. The g*ddamn Captain America."

Originally posted by ScarletSpider
Geoff Johns did the Red Zone arc which was pretty good. He also did something with a new group of Zodiac, which will probably just languish as a dangling plot thread forevermore.B]

Those stories, where pretty good, but not nearly as good as Re-birth or the Crisis.

Originally posted by ScarletSpider
[B]The only thing wrong with Avengers before hand, is they let Austen on the book. That was it, as far as I'm concerned. To go from a nigh-legendary run by Busiek--which admittedly did have some low points--and to wind up with Chuck Austen on the book? Something was ****ed up. But it was nothing that couldn't have been fixed.B]

Legendary ?????? Hardly ! Legendary is Morisson JLA, Ellis Authority, Frank Miller Batman, Moore Swampthing, Ennis Preacher, Bendis Dare Devil. I dont think stories abot Pagan, Ultron, Silver Claw and Triathalon, come under the legendary category. 🙂

Originally posted by ScarletSpider
[B]I don't think Ellis could do it, not because he lacks talent, but because he prefers seemingly to reside on the outskirts of superhero territory.

His recent Iron man arc, was sublime. 🙂

Ultron stories are quite often pretty good

Originally posted by Scoobless
Ultron stories are quite often pretty good

Ultron unlimited was ok, but its not on the same level as Tower of Babel or WW3. 🙂

Haven't read those