New Avengers #20

Indeed ... I was alot more interested in goat like Doom than i was Pagan/Kang, during the apparently legendary Brusiek run.

Sorry some of us have taste, Yahman. C'mon now, Pagan, Lord Templar, Jonathan Tremont and the 3D-Man. 3D-Man is so sweet, Triathalon was pretty meh up until they revealed the sweet 3D-Man legacy, Then I had to put down the issue, cover myself in nutella and...you get the point.

And again, I never called it legendary. I said it came close, It's a runner up to legendary. It's an honorable mention. It was a fun read and I miss it.

Ellis wrote a Thor story some years back before Onslaught, it was pretty sweet. He shacked up with the Enchantress, the world tree Yggdrasil was in peril, and it was a great read. Plus he featured Red Norvell. And he writes Thor as Thor.

It's just my derogative that Avengers has to be done more or less like a straight super hero book. It can take twists and turns like any other book, but Ellis doesn't really do straight super-heroics. Nextwave is awesome, it's hilarious and one of my favorite reads every month, but that tone wouldn't exactly be appropriate for Avengers. Ellis could write Avengers, but I don't think it would be his best work, he'd be doing something that's just not him.

Yeah, and New Avengers 21 was a pretty hard read. Some people like Chaykan, I'm not one of them, and I found the artwork pretty atrocious. Bendis gets some points for remembering Steve's history as an artist. Those points are promptly taken away from writing Falcon like a thug. The "Snap" Wilson story is probably one of the worst stories ever told, it ruined Falcon's character and most writers just leave it alone. Sam's a smart man, he's well educated and not some jive-talking street hustler. You can't write Falcon like he's Luke Cage - super strength + wings and sweet trained telepathically linked hunting falcon.

Originally posted by ScarletSpider
Sorry some of us have taste, Yahman. C'mon now, Pagan, Lord Templar, Jonathan Tremont and the 3D-Man. 3D-Man is so sweet, Triathalon was pretty meh up until they revealed the sweet 3D-Man legacy, Then I had to put down the issue, cover myself in nutella and...you get the point.

And again, I never called it legendary. I said it came close, It's a runner up to legendary. It's an honorable mention. It was a fun read and I miss it.

Ellis wrote a Thor story some years back before Onslaught, it was pretty sweet. He shacked up with the Enchantress, the world tree Yggdrasil was in peril, and it was a great read. Plus he featured Red Norvell. And he writes Thor as Thor.

It's just my derogative that Avengers has to be done more or less like a straight super hero book. It can take twists and turns like any other book, but Ellis doesn't really do straight super-heroics. Nextwave is awesome, it's hilarious and one of my favorite reads every month, but that tone wouldn't exactly be appropriate for Avengers. Ellis could write Avengers, but I don't think it would be his best work, he'd be doing something that's just not him.

Yeah, and New Avengers 21 was a pretty hard read. Some people like Chaykan, I'm not one of them, and I found the artwork pretty atrocious. Bendis gets some points for remembering Steve's history as an artist. Those points are promptly taken away from writing Falcon like a thug. The "Snap" Wilson story is probably one of the worst stories ever told, it ruined Falcon's character and most writers just leave it alone. Sam's a smart man, he's well educated and not some jive-talking street hustler. You can't write Falcon like he's Luke Cage - super strength + wings and sweet trained telepathically linked hunting falcon.

It's because Bendis is an idiot , he can't write a black guy without making him ether

A. 'Gangsta'

B. Drug Dealers

C. Blaxploitation film extra's

Did NA #21 have anything about Alpha Flight?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Did NA #21 have anything about Alpha Flight?

nope.

Originally posted by Black Adam
nope.

Well their death/lose was pointless then.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well their death/lose was pointless then.

Way to go Bendis, way to show them respect.... prick

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Way to go Bendis, way to show them respect.... prick

Ireally dont care much about Alpha Flight. They never did anything major. Everythime a new series starts they get cancelled because they suck.

Originally posted by grey fox
It's because Bendis is an idiot , he can't write a black guy without making him ether

A. 'Gangsta'

B. Drug Dealers

C. Blaxploitation film extra's

He also seems to make the characters say random Jewish sayings.

I now there in New york and everything but I have never heard anyone actually say tuchus or oy vey unless they were jewish....

or making fun of Jewish people who talk like that...

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Ireally dont care much about Alpha Flight. They never did anything major. Everythime a new series starts they get cancelled because they suck.

You obviously havn't read the series then, and I suggest you check out the AF Respect Thread.

I did. Wasnt impressed. Why u liked it?

I think given that he has a Guardian avatar and sig, it might be a safe bet to say King Mungi likes Alpha Flight.

Their original series was sweet. The most recent didn't get cancelled because they suck, it was cancelled because Scott Lobdell sucks.

Originally posted by ScarletSpider
There was nothing wrong with the old Avengers. Aside from the fact that they let Johns leave.

Oh that's right, they sure did have Johns, didn't they? I wonder how many times they kicked themselves in the ass after that decision.

Wasn't Johns fired from Marvel? I remember reading something about how he and Morrison weren't allowed back at Marvel. 😂

Originally posted by Black Adam
He also seems to make the characters say random Jewish sayings.

I now there in New york and everything but I have never heard anyone actually say tuchus or oy vey unless they were jewish....

or making fun of Jewish people who talk like that...

Originally posted by ScarletSpider
I think given that he has a Guardian avatar and sig, it might be a safe bet to say King Mungi likes Alpha Flight.

Their original series was sweet. The most recent didn't get cancelled because they suck, it was cancelled because Scott Lobdell sucks.

Bingo, and vol.2 sold really well but that was the time of Marvel's bankrupcy. If you look at the sales for vol.2 and compare them to todays sales it would be Marvel's #1 seller. Vol.3 was horrible

I forgot about volume 2. I seem to glance over it and go straight to the terrible volume 3 when thinking about Alpha Flight. But now that you've jogged it, I do have fond memories of volume 2. Lots of interesting plotlines and some cool new characters too. Radius was annoying, but I really liked Flex, I think he retained his powers post M-Day, it would be nice to see him again.

The writer of volume 2 said he was going to reveal Flex's dad as Wolverine, since Flex and Radius were only half-brothers, and Radius' father was Unus the Untouchable. Hmm...who else was there. I could take or leave Murmur, the French trollop routine got kind of old after awhile. Man-Bot and Sasquatch were neat. Hmm. I'm going to have to go find those issues now!

Yeah, it's funny to look at sales and how they've changed. Moench's run on Moon Knight long ago was in the 100 thousands (curiously outselling Batman left and right, until Moench left for DC and took over Batman's titles), and MK was a direct-sales title *(meaning only in specialty shops). So it was in half the venues and still making great numbers--for today's market at least.

I liked the idea of Alpha flight towing around a REAL Sasquatch....

Originally posted by ScarletSpider
Sorry some of us have taste, Yahman.

Oohh that was a bit cold ..... 🙂

If anything you're taking a 'stabb' at you're own tastes as i generally agree with you're opinnions. 🙂

I just read issue 21... man did the art suck. Other than that and the Falcon's Ebonics, it was an alright issue.