Silver Surfer vs Gladiator, Superman, Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter

Started by Mindship28 pages
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Cool. I was just curious since you usually have good reasons to back up your thoughts. 😄

Well, as I initially said, SS is my main man 😎 but all these guys (and gal) are mind-boggling powerhouses. It would be a hell of a fight (especially f/x-wise), and rethinking, reading more posts, I can see Surfer winning--maybe--2/10 due to his extreme speed and versatility. But keeping in mind that a well-coordinated team can be a Whole greater than the sum of its parts, really, SS is basically out-powered here.

Plus, where's the fun if your main guy is always gonna win?

Originally posted by illadelph12
All thinly veiled insults and uneven ratios aside, I'm still not convinced of the outcome of this fight. Neither side of the debate is presenting a very solid argument, it's turned into the usual DC vs. Marvel BS that has become far too commonplace around here.

Putting [b]all abilities on the table, what is the logical outcome? [/B]

B4 you come in here with (you're over inflated ego), and make brash statements about a thread you haven't clearly read in its entirety, try and acknowledge the absurdity of what you're saying. Everyone on the Surfer side (Who are clearly biased towards Marvel) are arguing their perspectives for a near Omnipotent 'god like' surfer, whose never really made an appearance in a comic, i.e. in this FULL potential form. If the 'Marvelites' are going to argue their case of a nonexistence, Full potential surfer, e.g. like this post below (Sorry leo)...

Originally posted by illadelph12
'ss opens a black hole in their midst which sucks in fernus and ww. glads and supes likely escape but as they fight their way out ss bombards glads with rad. he would succumb to that much more quickly than supes would to HIS 'weaknesses', while simultaneously he teleports supes away while a weakened glads dies in the black hole. he then brings supes back or supes finds his own way back and it's 1on1 -- sun-dipped supes v ss . .'

Its only fair that the other characters, are portrayed at their non existent full potentials, which in turn conveys the absurdity of ....

Originally posted by illadelph12
'Putting [b]all abilities on the table, what is the logical outcome? [/B]

If those characters are written at their full potentials, the surfer is facing several beings, nearly on the same God like level. In conclusion, he looses badly. 🙂

uh, yahman, opening a black hole is nothing that a REGULAR powered ss can't do . . . 🙂

Originally posted by leonidas
uh, yahman, opening a black hole is nothing that a REGULAR powered ss can't do . . . 🙂

Survivg them is nothing that a Full potential 'Surfer buster' team cannot do. 😉

ww couldn't, fernus/manhunter likely couldn't. at the least it would buy ss time to teleport some or take glads out.

Originally posted by leonidas
ww couldn't, fernus/manhunter likely couldn't. at the least it would buy ss time to teleport some or take glads out.

Fernus seemed FAR superior physically to the rest of the JLA, im sure he could, Wonder Woman survived a blackhole in the JLA/ JSA crossover.
And How do you teleport the intangible ? (Supes included) 🙂

Full Potential = Stupidity !!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Fernus seemed FAR superior physically to the rest of the JLA, im sure he could, Wonder Woman survived a blackhole in the JLA/ JSA crossover.
And How do you teleport the intangible ? (Supes included) 🙂

Full Potential = Stupidity !!!!!!!!!

What does being intangible have to do with Teleporting................

Fernus wouldn't have to. He could mindrape SS.

Trying to absorb (still debatable) a "fully powerered" Superman would probably result in this.

WW just has to get 1 hit/move in with all her magical weapons.

Glads has already stalemated SS on his own. For all we know SS could have been bluffing about "knowing his weakness.."

And once again I'll say this....if people have that much confidence in SS, then the Eradicator should be whoopin ass at both Marvel AND DC...seeing as they are in many ways the same character.

why COULDN'T you teleport the intangible? still molecules, still in some cohesive (nono-amorphous) form. ss can locate and track trace psi-energy. seems like it would be easy for him to port even an intangible form.

barring that, he simply rearranges the molecules of fernus' body or changes the chemical composition and causes it to ignite.

fernus WAS a beast, btw, but fire still harmed him quite badly.

even with all these uber-dudes, ss would STILL have the luxury of a first attack due to reaction speed. bear in mind -- i'm not saying ss wins all the fights -- or even very many. i am saying this isn't QUITE as lop-sided as many say it has to be.

oh, and once it gets to supes, it's t-vo for the win or no t-vo and he loses. i'm still not sure what kind of prep he needs to get into t-vo mode . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
why COULDN'T you teleport the intangible? still molecules, still in some cohesive (nono-amorphous) form. ss can locate and track trace psi-energy. seems like it would be easy for him to port even an intangible form.

barring that, he simply rearranges the molecules of fernus' body or changes the chemical composition and causes it to ignite.

fernus WAS a beast, btw, but fire still harmed him quite badly.

even with all these uber-dudes, ss would STILL have the luxury of a first attack due to reaction speed. bear in mind -- i'm not saying ss wins all the fights -- or even very many. i am saying this isn't QUITE as lop-sided as many say it has to be.

No, because his weakness to fire is psychological only, and Fenrus was him when he overcame that psychological problem. It's why he has the fear in the first place. Fenrus himself was ALWAYS on fire. I dunno, I don't recall fire harming him at all. In fact, I remember him relishing in it.

And rearanging the molocules of a shapeshifter is something I doubt will happen. He wills control of his own matter.

Just for the hell of it...

"Teleporting" seems to be interpreted here in the Star-Trek vein: dissolving an object into molecules/information, and then beaming that somewhere.

If we define "teleportation" as instantaneous transport, then another way to teleport is via a wormhole or spatial interface: essentially stepping through a portal (eg, Stargate). In this manner, you're not affecting the object, per se, so it doesn't matter whether one is intangible or not.

Though...I would think that if the target Is intangible, if anything it would be Easier to beam-teleport it, since its molecular structure is that much less "solid."

I also notice we're discussing, basically, brute-force applications of power. The Surfer has the ability to affect matter on very intimate levels, and they all have nervous systems...
😈

Originally posted by Mindship
Just for the hell of it...

"Teleporting" seems to be interpreted here in the Star-Trek vein: dissolving an object into molecules/information, and then beaming that somewhere.

If we define "teleportation" as instantaneous transport, then another way to teleport is via a wormhole or spatial interface: essentially stepping through a portal (eg, Stargate). In this manner, you're not affecting the object, per se, so it doesn't matter whether one is intangible or not.

Though...I would think that if the target Is intangible, if anything it would be Easier to beam-teleport it, since its molecular structure is that much less "solid."

I also notice we're discussing, basically, brute-force applications of power. The Surfer has the ability to affect matter on very intimate levels, and they all have nervous systems...
😈

i agree. (and jun, i thought in those scans fernus did seem to be affected by fire. if not, my bad.)

as far as the fight -- if ss can't seperate them, he would get stomped. but . . . he CAN attack more quickly than any of them. his first attack should be to port each of them, intangible or not -- away so that he can battle them seperately.

as for ss v glads. the scene where ss and glads stalemate was not in continuity. IN continuity ss says he would wipe him out. if he were bluffing, he wouldn't have known about the rad to begin with. and ss isn't really known for his lying . . .

fernus's mind attack is the biggest problem. that's why he should port him away. beating fernus without bfr would be tough. ss HAS resisted having his soul sucked by the soul gem before and his own resistance to tp is extraordinary but fernus was a beast. how did the league defeat him?

again, battling all of them 4on1 would not end well for ss. dividing and conquering gives him a slim chance.

and erads -- from all i've seen -- SHOULD be considered more of threat than he is. but since he's not as popular as others, he'll likley job more often than not.

Surfer 10/10. disguise

Originally posted by Mindship
I also notice we're discussing, basically, brute-force applications of power. The Surfer has the ability to affect matter on very intimate levels, and they all have nervous systems...
😈

It is so tediuos to constantly have to bring that up with folks can have more then "superman" powersets.

Originally posted by leonidas
why COULDN'T you teleport the intangible? still molecules, still in some cohesive (nono-amorphous) form. ss can locate and track trace psi-energy. seems like it would be easy for him to port even an intangible form

I dont want to be rude

barring that, he simply rearranges the molecules of fernus' body or changes the chemical composition and causes it to ignite.

fernus WAS a beast, btw, but fire still harmed him quite badly.

even with all these uber-dudes, ss would STILL have the luxury of a first attack due to reaction speed. bear in mind -- i'm not saying ss wins all the fights -- or even very many. i am saying this isn't QUITE as lop-sided as many say it has to be. .

Ok i agree; Uber Full potential S.S. would probably win a couple of fights, but the version that gets pawned by Thanos/Odin/Thor, and only seems to be Silver verision of Dragon Ball Z's Goku, could not win this fight, ever. 🙂

Originally posted by leonidas
ss opens a black hole in their midst which sucks in fernus and ww. glads and supes likely escape but as they fight their way out ss bombards glads with rad. he would succumb to that much more quickly than supes would to HIS 'weaknesses', while simultaneously he teleports supes away while a weakened glads dies in the black hole. he then brings supes back or supes finds his own way back and it's 1on1 -- sun-dipped supes v ss . . .

😄

Please leo, don't do this. I realize that Silver Sufer is your pick in the tourney, but please don't give up on your morals. We've fought together saying that the JLA could take the Heralds and saying that Silver Surfer was overrated. Why now??? I guess I misjudged you. sadwalk That post was not the leo I know. 🙁

Originally posted by batdude123
Please leo, don't do this. I realize that Silver Sufer is your pick in the tourney, but please don't give up on your morals. We've fought together saying that the JLA could take the Heralds and saying that Silver Surfer was overrated. Why now??? I guess I misjudged you. sadwalk That post was not the leo I know. 🙁

No its now the wiser more intelligent Leo!

Originally posted by Mindship
Just for the hell of it...

"Teleporting" seems to be interpreted here in the Star-Trek vein: dissolving an object into molecules/information, and then beaming that somewhere.

If we define "teleportation" as instantaneous transport, then another way to teleport is via a wormhole or spatial interface: essentially stepping through a portal (eg, Stargate). In this manner, you're not affecting the object, per se, so it doesn't matter whether one is intangible or not.

How do we know that intangibility doesn't involve some hyper dimensional aspect, rather than the traditional notion of 'Quantum tunneling' ? If this is the case it becomes a case of fighting 'fire with fire'

Originally posted by Mindship
Though...I would think that if the target Is intangible, if anything it would be Easier to beam-teleport it, since its molecular structure is that much less "solid."

I think it means the opposite .... If a character is able to control their body on a subatomic level (Which would be needed for intangibility), it would be harder to wrestle control from them. 🙂

Originally posted by Soleran
No its now the wiser more intelligent Leo!

Soleran, do you realize that Fernus alone would probably beat Surfer? 🤨