All thinly veiled insults and uneven ratios aside, I'm still not convinced of the outcome of this fight. Neither side of the debate is presenting a very solid argument, it's turned into the usual DC vs. Marvel BS that has become far too commonplace around here.
Putting all abilities on the table, what is the logical outcome?
Originally posted by illadelph12
All thinly veiled insults and uneven ratios aside, I'm still not convinced of the outcome of this fight. Neither side of the debate is presenting a very solid argument, it's turned into the usual DC vs. Marvel BS that has become far too commonplace around here.Putting [b]all
abilities on the table, what is the logical outcome? [/B]
That's why I made this thread SS basically as far as people on here talk about him the best in just about every way I wanted to see how others that are highly valued would favor against him. Also feel free to contribute instead of playing the jury.😛
Why doesn't Flash defeat all his villains before they blink? Why did LT allow Thanos to have any powers after IG and to get the HOTU? Same reason. Storyline. It's one of his lesser used, lesser known powers. SS senses are null there. Superman defeated a being that at the very least is above skyfather in level with it in a pretty awesome battle.
I would'nt call that lesser known power, infact that ability would be his greatest feat, and he doesnt used it thats bull, I think that was given to him in that instant according to Supes writer just to beat this 1 skylevel villain, this is why i dislike the new Supes, he get this diff. power coming of his ass everytime there is new threat and it totally does not suit his CHARACTER. Even then how do you know CA would not work, did this villain have cosmic awareness is he a similar to SS. It does not matter if Supes opponent that he used T-vo on is at skyfather level, some are just better suited to defeat other opponent. And thats where I think SS better suited to beat Superman because of his ability to manipulate Supes weakness.
Flash doesnt defeat opponnent before they blink because most of the time his opponent are alot stronger than him and equal in power but does he get new boost in power all of a sudden? No.
Lt allowed Thanos to have his powers cause without IG or HOTU his insignificant to him, and maybe he serves a greater purpose.
ope. It was in a defenders issue if I remember correctly. I'm taking my stuff on Supes...from the writers. If you go to any of the Superman respect threads, I post plenty of over the top feats for him, and many others have as well. If people choose to downplay them..that's their issue, not mine.
Yes, cause i see that you've posted scan to back up your claim, but that T-VO is still a working feat, we dont know much about it, he only used it 1's (unless you can show me scans of him using it a consistently against an opponent who has CA on par with SS) then ill admit that it would work on SS. Dont get me wrong ive got plenty of respect for Supes in fact i buy some of his issues, only good written 1's dough and with good arts.
So your trying to make a case against Superman not being strong enough to take SS apart physically THEORETICALLY, but it's OK for SS to amp himself to Superman levels even if he's never done it?
Yes im implying that Supes normal 1 not pre-crises or All star cannot rip SS apart like a paper doll, and if you do you've got to be the biggest Superman fanboy there is, Savage Hulk couldnt even injured him, Madness Thor couldnt injure him physically in fact he was okay after all the beating according to Warlock. What made him unconscious was his brain and its prone to concussion its still normal that why he require rest or dream. Now you can say Supes is stronger than him and ill agree with you a little but not by much. Regarding his strength im going according to his bio, and his bio has always been consistent since the beginning. Amping above 100 + according to how much PC is at his disposal nothing was said about the limits.
They are saying it in this forum. We have people here actually believing that SS can fight these characters at top levels at the same time.I simply asked for a scan of SS fighting 4 people at Black Adam or WW level, and nothing has been provided.
Until then....Team 10002/10 (at least we agree SS loses horribly..theres hope for you there.)
Well, I agree SS can fight this top tier levels cha. (not full potential) and that bout would be a long one cause SS would be going at warpspeed running away from them 😄 and if they catch him then he would be beaten to pulp.
I dont think SS fought 4 people at Black Adams or WW level at desame time but he has fought people more powerfull than those char. combined. IE. Big G, Tyrant, Blackbody, Stanger, Elder gods, the Others, Thanos, etc and won against some of those fights.
I know when SS is beaten and in my opinion Supes does not have what it takes to beat him. Just my 2 cents
Originally posted by Rols
I would'nt call that lesser known power, infact that ability would be his greatest feat, and he doesnt used it thats bull, I think that was given to him in that instant according to Supes writer just to beat this 1 skylevel villain, this is why i dislike the new Supes, he get this diff. power coming of his ass everytime there is new threat and it totally does not suit his CHARACTER. Even then how do you know CA would not work, did this villain have cosmic awareness is he a similar to SS. It does not matter if Supes opponent that he used T-vo on is at skyfather level, some are just better suited to defeat other opponent. And thats where I think SS better suited to beat Superman because of his ability to manipulate Supes weakness.
Flash doesnt defeat opponnent before they blink because most of the time his opponent are alot stronger than him and equal in power but does he get new boost in power all of a sudden? No.
Lt allowed Thanos to have his powers cause without IG or HOTU his insignificant to him, and maybe he serves a greater purpose.Yes, cause i see that you've posted scan to back up your claim, but that T-VO is still a working feat, we dont know much about it, he only used it 1's (unless you can show me scans of him using it a consistently against an opponent who has CA on par with SS) then ill admit that it would work on SS. Dont get me wrong ive got plenty of respect for Supes in fact i buy some of his issues, only good written 1's dough and with good arts.
Yes im implying that Supes normal 1 not pre-crises or All star cannot rip SS apart like a paper doll, and if you do you've got to be the biggest Superman fanboy there is, Savage Hulk couldnt even injured him, Madness Thor couldnt injure him physically in fact he was okay after all the beating according to Warlock. What made him unconscious was his brain and its prone to concussion its still normal that why he require rest or dream. Now you can say Supes is stronger than him and ill agree with you a little but not by much. Regarding his strength im going according to his bio, and his bio has always been consistent since the beginning. Amping above 100 + according to how much PC is at his disposal nothing was said about the limits.
Well, I agree SS can fight this top tier levels cha. (not full potential) and that bout would be a long one cause SS would be going at warpspeed running away from them 😄 and if they catch him then he would be beaten to pulp.
I dont think SS fought 4 people at Black Adams or WW level at desame time but he has fought people more powerfull than those char. combined. IE. Big G, Tyrant, Blackbody, Stanger, Elder gods, the Others, Thanos, etc and won against some of those fights.
I know when SS is beaten and in my opinion Supes does not have what it takes to beat him. Just my 2 cents
Perhaps not regular Superman, but sun-dipped Superman probably could. ✅
Originally posted by Rols
Wouldnt sundipped be desame as pre-crises or all-star if not, whats sundipped greatest feat.How do you quote post? Ive been trying to figure that out.
He spent a few minutes in the sun and came out a raging homicial lunatic. After he got control of his ridiculous amounts of power he proceeded to obliterate everything braniac 13 could throw at him and push warworld with lightspeed engines (powered by imperix) going against him thru a boom tube and into the big bang.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Good, you learned your place...similar to that of a well trained puppy."Blah Blah" but nothing to back it. As for the chip..YOU came in here with nothing to prove in a debate, but plenty of trash talking of your own.
Maybe you'll surprise me one day with some nice scans, some good points behind them and a coherent reply system using quotes.
How surprising.
I dont have to come up and post scans of anything out of the blue. I gave my opinion of it. Im not defending Surfer. Why the heck would i post scans when im not defending a character or stance?
Im standing against your argument of flaws.
I stepped on to do the same you did when the first guy started overrating Surfer. He cant but somehow the rules of the debate are suposse to aplly differently to YOU?
Get out of here with that double shitty standart! 😆
Originally posted by illadelph12
All thinly veiled insults and uneven ratios aside, I'm still not convinced of the outcome of this fight. Neither side of the debate is presenting a very solid argument, it's turned into the usual DC vs. Marvel BS that has become far too commonplace around here.Putting [b]all
abilities on the table, what is the logical outcome? [/B]
ss opens a black hole in their midst which sucks in fernus and ww. glads and supes likely escape but as they fight their way out ss bombards glads with rad. he would succumb to that much more quickly than supes would to HIS 'weaknesses', while simultaneously he teleports supes away while a weakened glads dies in the black hole. he then brings supes back or supes finds his own way back and it's 1on1 -- sun-dipped supes v ss . . .
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Originally posted by Metalmanx
Actually, yes. I've read very much JLA. Clearly you're basing your opinion on the writings of Grant. Which is fine. You prefer Superman, it's understandable .
No i used Grant Morisson as a refernce, because you kept referring to bad writing.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
But really, when you realize what Flash can do and does in the comic...it's not really up for debate anymore. From the very get-go, Flash can steal his speed. There. Superman is a damn statue. From here, Flash IMPs him a few times. Maybe a few hundred times, just cuz he can.If Flash wanted to, he could defeat the entire JLA. Not one of them is fast enough or has the right power-set to stop him. .
This Full potential arguement applies to most of the JLA .... for example Supes : He becomes intangible (Like he did against Doomsday), flies into space and then sthrows the moon at the planet. In head to Head, flash could potentially defeat Supes, but Supes has the long range power on his side.But IMO this 'good writing' (You keep referring to) would cause some very boring and absurd comics. 🙂
Originally posted by leonidas
ss opens a black hole in their midst which sucks in fernus and ww. glads and supes likely escape but as they fight their way out ss bombards glads with rad. he would succumb to that much more quickly than supes would to HIS 'weaknesses', while simultaneously he teleports supes away while a weakened glads dies in the black hole. he then brings supes back or supes finds his own way back and it's 1on1 -- sun-dipped supes v ss . . .😄
That doesn't even seem probable.😬
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Okay. I'll give the GL that.But I believe hundreds of continuous infinite-mass-punches can break down a shield/construct. And as soon as it's broken, the next move would be a simple killing strike.
If anything, a GL should never be able to touch Flash with anything. So there goes GL's offense.
Once again you have forgotten the power (But absurdity) of 'Full potential' ..... Hal creates a time portal into the past, sees where the flash will run, and then creates various wormholes for Flash to fall into. Wally (Or who ever) cannot avoid these because they are invisible, to anyone who is 3 dimensional.
See... there are a few of the J.L.A who could beat a 'Full potential' Flash, even if also written at full potential. 🙂