Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
The crisis has no effect on the new gods...it's even stated in infinite crisis. If you check out the Darkseid respect thread, it's clear that he's quite above Thanos. I've seen plenty claim "precrisis Darkseid" (still today's DS) is stronger than Thanos, and it's quite apparent.There wasn't any kind of battle there. Guys on their level should be able to smack each other around easily when you compare their relative weight to their strength levels. Had I see Thanos overpowering them completely, then I would be inclined to agree. This is a feat Superman could have pulled off as well.
I posted another battle of Superman vs a city full of villains and he had a good time while defeating them.
Superman did the same thing with Darkseid, in the battle I posted, if you notice , they end up on a tiny piece of floating mass when it's over. Surfer just stood there, so I can hardly count that in good faith. He used Tech on Thor since he obviously wasn't going to overpower him.
He's lacking good solid strength feats and pure victories. Thanos has clear cut impressive durability feats against energy attacks, but strength and speed feats leave a lot to be desired.
a) So explain how he went to own Pre crisis Superman to lose against post crisis Superman regularly and also Orion.
That the IC MAY retcon the pre crisis levels BACK on Darkseid, its something to be seen, considering we still have nothing yet of the new Gods or how will they be written.
With that being said, wer using the version wich lasted most of the post crisis era and that was obviously weaker.
Unless of course post crisis Superman and Orion > pre crisis Supermana and Orion. Wich is IMO wrong to the bone.
b) So you didnt saw Thanos, treating Hulk and Thing as they wer nothing? Neither Quasar claiming they wer all doing poorly?
Are you somehow saying Superman would do AS good, when he has troubles with either Thor alone or Hulk? When a more vicious Superman never treated his peers like rag dolls? Nah. Hes top tier and thats it. Not above.
c) And what wer the level of those villains?
d) Surfer "just stood there"? Care to explain that one.
e) Direct combat showings against pll we know are strong ARE strength feats. This shouldnt even be adressed. Its Duh.
We know CM is Supermans equal (wherever what your opinion migth be, its how they consider each other) because of his matches against Superman. Not because he has lifting feats of note. He doesnt.
We know Juggernaut is in Thors class of strength (and Hulk) because it was stated and he showed it, against those two. He hardly has a single lifting feat.
And we know Thanos is stronger than this level because he routinely smacks these bums.