Phoenix Force vs a Multiversal Power......Phoenix get's Crushed!

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
She's just part of the circle of life for a universe. When Genis killed Entropy, it caused a big bang that created the universe and Entropy became Eternity. But that was unnatural.

The natural cause of a big bang, IMO, is when a universe dies (old Eternity) and Entropy is killed by the Phoenix Force causing a big bang that creates the new universe (Entropy becoming the new Eternity). Every time the universe dies Phoenix creates another big bang to continue the cycle.

Which kinda makes sense considering it's the 'Phoenix force' and all.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
The natural cause of a big bang, IMO, is when a universe dies (old Eternity) and Entropy is killed by the Phoenix Force causing a big bang that creates the new universe (Entropy becoming the new Eternity). Every time the universe dies Phoenix creates another big bang to continue the cycle.

There I must disagree..

What I got from my research is that Phoenix is that creation and destruction force in One Universe alone.

Big Bangs happen everywhere, Phoenix does not control all big bangs that's for certain.

The first 15 posts on the first page describe everything, all you'l ever need to know and it's all backed by on panel proof.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
She's just part of the circle of life for a universe. When Genis killed Entropy, it caused a big bang that created the universe and Entropy became Eternity. But that was unnatural.

The natural cause of a big bang, IMO, is when a universe dies (the end of Eternity) and Entropy is killed by the Phoenix Force causing a big bang that creates the new universe (Entropy becoming the new Eternity). Every time the universe dies Phoenix creates another big bang (the beginning) to continue the cycle.
What I'm not sure of is when Eternity actually dies?

Universes are being taken over, destroyed and remade without the Phoenix Force.

heck, the Multiverse has been destroyed and remade and it had Nothing to do wth the Phoenix Force.

PF scope of power extends to ONE Universe. No more.

Originally posted by Mr Master
There I must disagree..

What I got from my research is that Phoenix is that creation and destruction force in One Universe alone.

She is neither the creator nor the destroyer any universe. Haven't seen her destroy one or create one.

Big Bangs happen everywhere, Phoenix does not control all big bangs that's for certain.

I never said she controlled them. She starts the big bang but that doesn't mean she's more powerful than Eternity or other abstracts. A universe die and a new universe is formed when a big bang happens, Phoenix sparks that process. By no means does she control a big bang.

As for other times, which ones are you talking about? If it's the Infinity Being, I'm not sure if that's the same as TOAA himself.

The are natural big bangs and unnatural ones created by characters like Reed.

The first 15 posts on the first page describe everything, all you'l ever need to know and it's all backed by on panel proof. [/B]

I've read most of it. The IG is above the Phoenix Force, there's no doubt about that.

Here's my hierarchy:

1. TOAA
2. The Living Tribunal
3. The Infinity Gauntlet
4. UN
5. Abraxas
6. Multiverse Eternity
7. Eternity (616)/Death/Infinity/Entropy/Oblivion/Phoenix Force

Originally posted by Mr Master
Universes are being taken over, destroyed and remade without the Phoenix Force.

This is what I said:

When Genis killed Entropy, it caused a big bang that created the universe and Entropy became Eternity. But that was unnatural.

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The natural cause of a big bang, IMO, is when a universe dies (the end of Eternity) and Entropy is killed by the Phoenix Force causing a big bang that creates the new universe (Entropy becoming the new Eternity). Every time the universe dies Phoenix creates another big bang (the beginning) to continue the cycle.

heck, the Multiverse has been destroyed and remade and it had Nothing to do wth the Phoenix Force.

Thanos has also become one with the universe during IG. Surfer like you said became the universe by LT. No one is saying that can't happen.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
She is neither the creator nor the destroyer any universe. Haven't seen her destroy one or create one.

Well I'm a straight shooter, and this isn't a hate the Phoenix thread, so we should speak fairly.

Phoenix can re-create a Universe, she did warp 616.

Phoenix can NOT create a Universe, which is to make a Universe from nothing.

On panel proof tells us she can atleast destroy a Universe...an Eternity(single Universe)

Phoenix repaired the Mkraan Crystal...which had the power to destroy A Universe

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
A universe die and a new universe is formed when a big bang happens, Phoenix sparks that process.

That's what I'm saying though...Phoenix does not even spark that process up, not across the Multiverse, in A Single Universe she's the spark. It may be the X-universe.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing

Here's my hierarchy:

1. TOAA
2. The Living Tribunal
3. The Infinity Gauntlet
4. UN
5. Abraxas
6. Multiverse Eternity
7. Eternity (616)/Death/Infinity/Entropy/Oblivion/Phoenix Force

I feel about the same, but I put THOU above the Living Tribunal...and I put Multi-Death above THOU...then the TOAA.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Thanos has also become one with the universe during IG. Surfer like you said became the universe by LT. No one is saying that can't happen.

Actually Thanos never destroyed or remade the Multi-verse...is that what your saying? Cause that's what I was referring to.

Thanos became the Universe Twice...with the IG and also with a Cosmic Cube.

Sorry I'm not sure what you meant.

I dont think GS has any way to come back all his arguments have been countered and i believe he is now KO. The next logical move for him to make is either run away or create a new name thats if he doesnt already have a second name. Mr M you have won this battle and opened a lot of eyes to the truth but in doing so you have gained an enemy lol watch your back.

Originally posted by sexyking
Mr M you have won this battle and opened a lot of eyes to the truth but in doing so you have gained an enemy lol watch your back.

lol...

no I still think Phenoix wins because I just want to go with the underdog who seems right GS
mr.m loses 😛

GS= OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Batdude123=Owned!!! times two 😛

Originally posted by Broly92
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Broly92=owned times negative infinity is what you meant

I did this already but...just in case anyone missed it.
:The Korvac vs Living Tribunal event:

This ought to settle the Korvac and Living Tribunal dispute once and for all.

What was it that really happened?
How powerful was Korvac?
How did he become so powerful?
Was he more powerful than LT?
If LT attacked him, how did he survive?

These questions will ALL be answered now, and yes, ya know me, with ON PANEL proof as always.

Ok, after thoroughly researching the issue I found out several interesting facts.
To begin with What if's suck.
I will prove myself.
Secondly Korvac was not the mastermind of this issue, machinations far beyond even his scope were at work in helping him survive LT's assault, this is the big moment of surprise and disappointment for all who thought Korvac was more powerful than LT.

Let's do it.

First ALL the positive showings of the issue, then I'll post the rediculousness of a What if comic.

First:
Korvac Absorbs ALL the power of these SIX cosmics, he had already absorbed Galactus's world ship, that gave him instant near-omnipotent power.

Korvac absorbs Galactus's world ship.

Korvac seals off his universe

LT penetrates Korvacs barrier to blow up the sun in this universe.

LT vaporizes a quarter of that solar system and Korvac survives, LT caught by surprise by this, decides to leave this universe and seal Korvac in it.

It would seem from that last scan that LT couldn't handle Korvac, so he fled, sealed the universe behind him and left that universe to wahtever fate awaited it.

The Surprise:
It was Death that protected Korvac from LT, from annihilation, how? Death simply didn't permit Korvac to die. How? It's Death, just like Thanos isn't fazed by mortality because of Death, so she did the same for Korvac.

Death was Korvac's unbidden ally-Death was Korvac's unwanted master.
Death manipulated all this, no wonder Korvac survived LT's punishment, Death who is the master of mortality and immortality, did not allow Korvac to die along with the earth, because Death wanted to kill Eternity and Death knew it could get Korvac to retrieve the Ultimate Nullifier to destroy Eternity, this was Death's plan all along. Apparently even Death was unable to help Korvac withstand the UN though.

courtesy of Mr Master

Now the reasons why we shouldn't use What If's in debates even if it includes LT:

Korvac with ALL his power, can't read a Celestial mind,

Korvac CANNOT resurrect just anyone, only someone he kills. Yet he's "omnipotent", LOL.

Korvac fears an Armada of beings that are coming to battle him from all over this universe, but he can kill and absorb some of the most powerful beings in the universe. This is crap, with all his power he should be able to wipe this army out of existence.

Korvac absorbs every being on this earth to battle this armada. He becomes so powerful he can sit on planet earth, like if it's a workout ball, but he's still going to rely on the Ultimate Nullifier to destroy this armada along with the universe.

Watcher breaks through Korvac's barrier like nothing, and this is after he absorbed every being on earth, even the visiting Celestials.

Korvac needs Ultimate Nullifier to destroy armada, nonsense, but it's a What If, so why complain.

courtesy of Mr Master

LOL

I've said it once and I'll say it again:

Galactic Storm=OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll say it again
Batdude123=Owned times two 😂

Originally posted by Broly92
I'll say it again
Broly92 is a DUMBASS!!!!!! 😂