Originally posted by Soujaboy
So whats that have to do with Namor ko Hulk?
The Savage, Fixit, and Current Hulk don't have that weakness, so assuming that any fight is going to turn out exactly the same isn't quite correct. Gravage couldn't handle ALOT and reverted very often, the Savage remained Hulked for days at a time.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Isn't "he" still in third person?And yeah, I guess Hulk in 118 is Gravage after all.
I meant #118, but yeah.
Has Namor actually had a win against any other Hulk?
And Mind Controlled Hulk held back/fought TP and Namor took the win: http://img96.exs.cx/img96/2479/puppetmaster0dr.jpg
That's why I figure that Namor and Mind Tricks will give them the win 5/10 The Hand comes in after a big enough beating before they try the mind tricks IMO, and the other times he's pumping out too much power and anger to be affected, and teh mind trick backlash disables AM long enough for an Uber-Pissed Hulk to disable Namor.
That or Hulk could throw/punch Aquaman into Orbit if he doesn't Fly.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I guess he hasn't, if the fellow in Avengers is Gravage too. He stalemated for entire issue in Defenders, and has stalemated many other times too, though.How much stronger is Savage then Gravage?
The Savage is the strongest Hulk. He's the one with the most of his Uber-Feats. Gravage was more a blending of the original Evilish Grey Hulk with the increasing stupidity and power of the Savage.
As for How Much, I'd say the level of difference between Fixit and Savage with the Professors Rage Limits and increase. That is just my opinion though, other people who know Hulk would have to make thier opinion.
Now the Current Hulk seems to be a savage who is 'growing up' though into what is unknown. The Maestro might not be an alternate timeline after all 😉
Classic Savage Hulk is technically class 90, but that has been retconned into class 100, I think. The old Hulk from Tales to astonish is the one who is said to be in the lower class 70 range. Hence the commonly made(and possibly fallacious) connection that Doc Samson, being as strong as a calm Hulk, can lift 70 tons. Prof. Hulk is instant class 100 and Grey Hulk is class 75.
But I have to admit that various sources contradict each other.
Originally posted by DalakI thought the current Hulk was Gravage, or something like a green Fixit/Grey Hulk. His power doesn't seem to be up there with Savage...
The Savage is the strongest Hulk. He's the one with the most of his Uber-Feats. Gravage was more a blending of the original Evilish Grey Hulk with the increasing stupidity and power of the Savage.As for How Much, I'd say the level of difference between Fixit and Savage with the Professors Rage Limits and increase. That is just my opinion though, other people who know Hulk would have to make thier opinion.
Now the Current Hulk seems to be a savage who is 'growing up' though into what is unknown. The Maestro might not be an alternate timeline after all 😉
Or maybe he just hasn't shown much. 🙂
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I thought the current Hulk was Gravage, or something like a green Fixit/Grey Hulk. His power doesn't seem to be up there with Savage...Or maybe he just hasn't shown much. 🙂
Well Planet Hulk started with him being weakened, and I know people are calling him Gravage, but I disagree. This Hulk is the Savage, since that's what was shown in House of M and thx to v3 #87 it shows they were the same.
He's not as mean as Fixit or Gravage, he's not as Horny as Fixit (Since Savage has been shown 'randy' before)
IMO the only real reason he's being called Gravage is because of the Intelligence Increase, which still isn't to Fixit's Levels or even Gravages. He's like a 7-8 year old.
Originally posted by Dalak
So are you trying to say that every hero and/or villian with an 'Incurable' condition is PIS?No, tell me about the Clear, and he didn't Heal Polaris, saying he did is misrepresentation. Aquaman was messing with his head and he got interrupted. I asked if Polaris was changed afterward and you never responded. Was he changed? Did anything occur?
It's a simple yes/no question: Has Aquaman Healed A Purely Mental Condition?
Temporarily, as every 'cure' has resulted. Same with THing, same with Joker, same with every other 'Incurable' case in comics.
Are you saing AIDS still existing in comics is PIS? That all disease, mutation, and all illness in the world can be cured with a snap of those water fingers?
Which is more likely PIS: Aquaman able to cure everything, or him not being able to?
And it didn't say Savage, it said Hulk, therefore it's the Current Hulk who's not that stupid. He'd hop out of the water and make them come to him. And he'd get the chance to hop seeing as his Claps are more devastating underwater.
Have you actually seen the stuff Dr.Strange has done? and Hulk has been cured several times.
The Clear can best be likened to the Green of the Swamp Thing, it is a universal consciousness of all sea life. Via it he can communicate or command sea life on the other side of the planet. He can see what they see and much more what he is only beginning to realise. He can also push his telepathic powers to reach out to the higher land creatures to find that element of their brains that dates to their ancestors time in the ocean. Not really, as it's clear as day it was working on Polaris, and no he didn't change as Dolphin interupted as shown in the scans. It's clear as day.
YES! Autism is a mental health condition as stated by the Medicial Guide. Hell I even asked my mom and she is a nurse and she states the exact same thing.
Your actually hurting your case as they shows their incurable diesease has actually been cured.
Ummm...no, as do you seem him going to person to person curing AIDS victims? Even in the recent Superman ark dealt with a priest with cancer and Superman refused to cure him even when the preist asked him. Hell Black Panther actually has the cure of AIDS or cancer, but he doesn't share it.
As said by the Lady of the Lake heal everything, like I mentioned he friggin alterted a mutated being with Autism back into normal. Piror to getting his hand he was manipulating Dr.Polaris with mutliple personalities.
He's not that smart. Have you seen their speeds underwater? plus with the magical hand he can control the density of it giving him manipulation of water as well.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Have you actually seen the stuff Dr.Strange has done? and Hulk has been cured several times.
He's had The Hulk suppressed before, never Cured. If he was, he wouldn't be the Hulk now.
The Clear can best be likened to the Green of the Swamp Thing, it is a universal consciousness of all sea life. Via it he can communicate or command sea life on the other side of the planet. He can see what they see and much more what he is only beginning to realise. He can also push his telepathic powers to reach out to the higher land creatures to find that element of their brains that dates to their ancestors time in the ocean. Not really, as it's clear as day it was working on Polaris, and no he didn't change as Dolphin interupted as shown in the scans. It's clear as day.
He was being affected, but to what extent is unknown, same as if it would have worked or not. Saying that he cured him is jsut the same as me saying he couldn't ever cure polaris: It's too ambiguous to use.
YES! Autism is a mental health condition as stated by the Medicial Guide. Hell I even asked my mom and she is a nurse and she states the exact same thing.
A Mental disorder with a Physiological cause. Fix that cause and teh disorder is gone. It's not the same as MPD or any major psychosis is whatsoever and it never will be.
Your actually hurting your case as they shows their incurable diesease has actually been cured.Ummm...no, as do you seem him going to person to person curing AIDS victims? Even in the recent Superman ark dealt with a priest with cancer and Superman refused to cure him even when the preist asked him. Hell Black Panther actually has the cure of AIDS or cancer, but he doesn't share it.
As said by the Lady of the Lake heal everything, like I mentioned he friggin alterted a mutated being with Autism back into normal. Piror to getting his hand he was manipulating Dr.Polaris with mutliple personalities.
I didn't know about Black Panther, and I don't read Superman so I didn't see that. Thanks.
And again, he tried: he didn't dominate him and he didn't fail utterly. The fact is Polaris was unchanged.
He's not that smart. Have you seen their speeds underwater? plus with the magical hand he can control the density of it giving him manipulation of water as well.
Yes, and a weakened Hulk caught Namor speeding underwater.
When Hulk claps they will be distracted for long enough to Jump. It's not like teh water around New York is insanely deep, and Hulk's swimming alone has cause Tidal Waves. It's not like ne needs much more than a second to jump either, and Hulk's Claps have stunned better than Namor and Aquaman for more than a second or 2.
Originally posted by Dalak
He's had The Hulk suppressed before, never Cured. If he was, he wouldn't be the Hulk now.He was being affected, but to what extent is unknown, same as if it would have worked or not. Saying that he cured him is jsut the same as me saying he couldn't ever cure polaris: It's too ambiguous to use.
A Mental disorder with a Physiological cause. Fix that cause and teh disorder is gone. It's not the same as MPD or any major psychosis is whatsoever and it never will be.
I didn't know about Black Panther, and I don't read Superman so I didn't see that. Thanks.
And again, he tried: he didn't dominate him and he didn't fail utterly. The fact is Polaris was unchanged.
Yes, and a weakened Hulk caught Namor speeding underwater.
When Hulk claps they will be distracted for long enough to Jump. It's not like teh water around New York is insanely deep, and Hulk's swimming alone has cause Tidal Waves. It's not like ne needs much more than a second to jump either, and Hulk's Claps have stunned better than Namor and Aquaman for more than a second or 2.
aliens cured him, but events at a later day bring his powers back. He is far from being uncurable. Hell, Sasquatch almost completly cured him of the Hulk personna seperating the two.
Form going into a villianous rage to being completly dosal shows what Aquaman was doing was seriously working. Even Tempest was impressed until Dolphin interupted them. Once again that was even before his upgrade.
Actually it is, and actually curing someone rewiring their genetics is far more impressive as Aquaman first healed Black Manta's body from being a hiedous monster into a human and then curing his autism.
Panter blackmailed our countires for the cure, but never did give it to them. Hudlin made him a dick.
Unchanged? Polaris stopped fighting it completly took the fight out of him beliving Aquaman could help him. He never failed, Doplphin stoped him.
Was Namor going full speed?
Well the thing is if he flees he is putting more of a space between him and Aquaman giving Arthir more time to use his TP. Aquaman in the water could attack Hulk from the inside summoning plankton as he did against the villian Eel. Aquaman isn't a one trick pony that just relies on strength
Originally posted by King_Mungi
aliens cured him, but events at a later day bring his powers back. He is far from being uncurable. Hell, Sasquatch almost completly cured him of the Hulk personna seperating the two.
And Doc Sampson seperated them, which ended up nearly killing them.
And I don't remember any Aliens curing Hulk. When was this, and how did he end up becoming Hulk again?
Form going into a villianous rage to being completly dosal shows what Aquaman was doing was seriously working. Even Tempest was impressed until Dolphin interupted them. Once again that was even before his upgrade.Unchanged? Polaris stopped fighting it completly took the fight out of him beliving Aquaman could help him. He never failed, Doplphin stoped him.
I asked you if he was changed afterward, you replied no. I posted and then you said he did. Make up your mind please.
Actually it is, and actually curing someone rewiring their genetics is far more impressive as Aquaman first healed Black Manta's body from being a hiedous monster into a human and then curing his autism.
healing a Body and altering Genetics is impressive, but healing something that is no 'injury' and is purely Mental (No Physiological Cause) is far more impressive to me.
Was Namor going full speed?Well the thing is if he flees he is putting more of a space between him and Aquaman giving Arthir more time to use his TP. Aquaman in the water could attack Hulk from the inside summoning plankton as he did against the villian Eel. Aquaman isn't a one trick pony that just relies on strength
He appeared to be. He jsut came out of nowhere and started pounding on him.
And that shuld give an idea of how quick it'll be with Hulk jumping out of the water after a clap or a Stomp. That alone would cause a Tsunami that Aquaman and/or Namor would (CIS) have to stop and Hulk can take out one when that happens.
As stated before: Hulk WILL lose the majority, but it's not going to be easy.
No way is Namor going with his full speed there...here are just few examples of how Namor goes fast:
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1133/namorfeat341pp.gif
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/5295/namorspeedfeat342ky.gif
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/7492/namorspeedfeat352fg.gif
And Tsunamis are not nothing new to Namor:
http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/1919/namorspeedfeat631fn.gif
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
No way is Namor going with his full speed there...here are just few examples of how Namor goes fast:
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1133/namorfeat341pp.gif
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/5295/namorspeedfeat342ky.gif
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/7492/namorspeedfeat352fg.gif
So because he's not swimming in a circle, he's not going full speed?
He's pulling the "Speed up and slam" tactic and that pretty much requires near full speed if not your full speed to work out, and even the Gravage was able to break through the whirlpool he made.
OH yes, who's possessing Namor in that Tsunami scan, cause I KNOW no one is calling Namor 'Subby' and getting away with it?
Originally posted by Dalak
So because he's not swimming in a circle, he's not going full speed?He's pulling the "Speed up and slam" tactic and that pretty much requires near full speed if not your full speed to work out, and even the Gravage was able to break through the whirlpool he made.
OH yes, who's possessing Namor in that Tsunami scan, cause I KNOW no one is calling Namor 'Subby' and getting away with it?
Rick Jones.
And Namor is easily able to go 15,000 feet in seconds when swimming, that requires Mach 5+ speeds. And he can accelerate to that instantly. In those scans, it doesn't look like he is going with as fast speeds.
http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/9911/namorfeat724zw.gif
http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/9374/namorfeat737jo.gif
Seeing as Namor is the fastest being underwater, all the stuff he has dodged, and 85+ years of experience in it, I don't think that Hulk could catch him if he was going with full speeds.
http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/9686/namorspeedfeat361ma.gif
http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/1007/torpedospeed26gt.gif
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/8356/namorspeedfeat326rf.gif
http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/5183/namorfeat660vq.gif
http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/8111/namorvsares32rx.gif
http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/7430/namorvsares42ym.gif
http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/4816/namorvsthor48yh.gif
Hulk even has enough time to recover from his assault and stand up...Namor is going quite slow in there.
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=incrediblehulkannual1998pg177m.jpg
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Rick Jones.And Namor is easily able to go 15,000 feet in seconds when swimming, that requires Mach 5+ speeds. And he can accelerate to that instantly. In those scans, it doesn't look like he is going with as fast speeds.
http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/9911/namorfeat724zw.gif
http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/9374/namorfeat737jo.gifSeeing as Namor is the fastest being underwater, all the stuff he has dodged, and 85+ years of experience in it, I don't think that Hulk could catch him if he was going with full speeds.
http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/9686/namorspeedfeat361ma.gif
http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/1007/torpedospeed26gt.gif
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/8356/namorspeedfeat326rf.gif
http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/5183/namorfeat660vq.gif
http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/8111/namorvsares32rx.gif
http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/7430/namorvsares42ym.gif
http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/4816/namorvsthor48yh.gifHulk even has enough time to recover from his assault and stand up...Namor is going quite slow in there.
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=incrediblehulkannual1998pg177m.jpg
Do you know Hulk's other speed feats? He's not some Uber-Stupid and Slow Brick like so many assume. He's caught Artillery shells in teh air and spun around and hurled them back, he's caught Jets in flight, when Jumping he's confused for an ICBM sometimes, and he's Tagged Quicksilver (Like who hasn't 😉 )
Hulk isnt' slow, and just juked and grabbed Namor. He's zooming around him just like he did the robot at the top of the second list: to come around from behind, but Hulk was quick enough to shift slightly and catch him. It's nothing he hasn't done before.
And 15000 ft straight down when you've got a guy that's nearly a ton (At LEAST Half) sinking added into whatever you're doing to him isn't quite a Speed Feat IMO.
