Originally posted by JacopeX
Oh he is? DIdnt really know thaty part but ill let him follow his christian belief while i follow my catholic
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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
If you get a chance read these JacobeX.http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0082/0082_01.asp
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0047/0047_01.asp
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/5023/5023_01.asp
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Once again I say - disgusting amounts of misinterpretation, lies, down right ignorance and attempts at using fear to force conversion. And neither does it seem to be respectful that when a person complaments you, as JacopeX did, to then post such things mocking his religion.
One wonders how Christianity has survived so long, when you can't even stop yourselves from cannibalising other versions of your own faith. I don't think you ever told me, what Christian Sect/Denomination do you belong to? And don't say the Christian one, as that is neither an answer nor correct.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
One wonders how Christianity has survived so long, when you can't even stop yourselves from cannibalising other versions of your own faith. I don't think you ever told me, what Christian Sect/Denomination do you belong to? And don't say the Christian one, as that is neither an answer nor correct.
Jesus explains why Christianity has lasted so long:
"But my words will never pass away" Matthew 24:35
God's word will be known by all generations.
"And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hell (Hades) will not overcome it." Matthew 16:18
This verse makes more sense when you know that the name Peter means rock. This is a significant passage because it indicates that the Church will survive no matter the odds (And then there is the Catholic interpretation... but we won't get into that here I hope).
It is God's will that Christianity will survive.
Originally posted by Nellinator
You raise some interesting questions and points. I would first like to say that it is sad that Christians attack each other like such. It is important that we instruct each other to be more holy and righteous, but it should be done outside of the public and done without an aspect of fear. God does not want us to fear him, but to love him. In response to your last response: Although someone may belong to a certain denomination it does not mean that wholly agree with what that denomination teaches or does. I know I don't because it seems that every denomination has conflict with Biblical teaching. I base my faith on what the Bible teaches not what the denomination teaches. I know that Jesus has more truth than any pastor.Jesus explains why Christianity has lasted so long:
"But my words will never pass away" Matthew 24:35
God's word will be known by all generations."And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hell (Hades) will not overcome it." Matthew 16:18
This verse makes more sense when you know that the name Peter means rock. This is a significant passage because it indicates that the Church will survive no matter the odds (And then there is the Catholic interpretation... but we won't get into that here I hope).It is God's will that Christianity will survive.
Why did Christianity come so late? Shouldn't God have had already established his religion since the time of Adam and Eve?
Why send his Savior at such a late time? If God is an unchanging God, then why did he decide to send Jesus to save everyone instead of just continuing to send people to Purgatory? That suggests a change in God's intentions. 😉
His intention from the beginning was to send a Messiah.
I have always thought that Jesus came in Roman times because Roman was the world's greatest empire of all time. By coming in Roman times Christianity was able to spread worldwide and survive through the times. Also, God consistently sent his prophets to guide his people before Christ. God always meant for people to have a spiritual leader.
Originally posted by Nellinator
His intention from the beginning was to send a Messiah.
I have always thought that Jesus came in Roman times because Roman was the world's greatest empire of all time. By coming in Roman times Christianity was able to spread worldwide and survive through the times. Also, God consistently sent his prophets to guide his people before Christ. God always meant for people to have a spiritual leader.
i pretty much agree...
Originally posted by Imperial_SamuraI never posted things about my religions. Please get your facts straight.
Once again I say - disgusting amounts of misinterpretation, lies, down right ignorance and attempts at using fear to force conversion. And neither does it seem to be respectful that when a person complaments you, as JacopeX did, to then post such things mocking his religion.One wonders how Christianity has survived so long, when you can't even stop yourselves from cannibalising other versions of your own faith. I don't think you ever told me, what Christian Sect/Denomination do you belong to? And don't say the Christian one, as that is neither an answer nor correct.
Originally posted by Nellinator
His intention from the beginning was to send a Messiah.
I have always thought that Jesus came in Roman times because Roman was the world's greatest empire of all time. By coming in Roman times Christianity was able to spread worldwide and survive through the times. Also, God consistently sent his prophets to guide his people before Christ. God always meant for people to have a spiritual leader.
o0o0o How cryptic ! How mysterious and mystic ! Why not just be direct about it ?
"I am God. This is how I look, who I am, where I am, and what I want plain and simple. Any objections?"
Instead we get a bunch of contradictory testaments, wars, mass murder, oppression of peoples, and torture sprees as a result of human intepretation of God's word, etc. God must have known all of this shit was going to occur. A perfect God would not allow this...for his very Word to be corrupted...only a flawed God, who doesn't know what the hell he's doing, lets this occur.
Its called free will. God gave people brains and gave them the free will to interpret it for themselves. God is not responsible for our mistakes. God has made his prescence apparent many times through his miracles and many other signs and wonders. Once again, there is no biblical contradictions, only contradictory interpretations.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Its called free will. God gave people brains and gave them the free will to interpret it for themselves.
But the freedom to intepret means there is no concrete word than. Therefore, how can or any religious person even preach?
That means i could interpret the whole "homosexuality is sinful" as "homosexual rape is sinful" and have all the consentual homo sex I want ! 💃
Originally posted by Nellinator
God is not responsible for our mistakes. God has made his prescence apparent many times through his miracles and many other signs and wonders.
I agree that we are all responsible for our own mistakes, especially in the case where God does not exist. How can a myth be responsible for something real people do? 😉
God has made his presence many times in the Old Testament hasn't he? He has also made his presence known through individual experiences...hmm...I think it'd be smarter for him to do something the entire world would fully understand, something no one else can deny.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Once again, there is no biblical contradictions, only contradictory interpretations.
There are many many Biblical Contradictions my freind ✅
1) Thou shall not kill- Isrealites slaughter infidels
2) God demanded freedom from slavery of his people - yet he also enourages slavery, in fact sell your daughters
3) God is a god of love - yet he is also jealous, wrathful, and detests certain people
4) God is beyond human emotion - yet he is jealous and wrathful
5) God claims children are innocent - yet he ordered the Isrealites to slaughter infidel children, and he also killed the first born sons of all the Egyptian fathers
6) God is merficul - yet he sent horrible plagues and burnt down the people of Sodom of Gomorra
7) Thou shalt not kill - yet he encourages genocide (Irealite wars) and created the flood which wiped out much of the ancient world...right?
I'm not sure how you could make that conclusion, but it is yours to make. You accept the consequences by your actions, whatever they may be.
"You shall not murder" is the what is really says. Killing people who stand in the way of God's will is another matter entirely. God's jealousy is different than human jealousy. Jealousy does not disclude love. Also, God does not detest people, he detest the sins they commit as I have said before. God's wrath is righteous, not the petty, vengeful wrath of humans.
I could go on, but I have grown tired of explaining and trying to break people's perceived contradictions in the Bible. I can say that God works in mysterious ways and that I do not know the answers to all mysteries. Instead I will say this. God is merciful, but sometimes by punishing others he is having mercy on us. God knows the best possible road to take before it occurs. Perhaps he ordered the killing of innocent children to save them from the corruption they would have destined for had they been allowed to live. God having them killed does not condemn them to hell. I once struggled with these same questions, but as I have grown older, God has started to reveal more of his nature to me. I know that I must trust in God rather than in myself or mankind.
Originally posted by Nellinator
I'm not sure how you could make that conclusion, but it is yours to make. You accept the consequences by your actions, whatever they may be."You shall not murder" is the what is really says. Killing people who stand in the way of God's will is another matter entirely. God's jealousy is different than human jealousy. Jealousy does not disclude love. Also, God does not detest people, he detest the sins they commit as I have said before. God's wrath is righteous, not the petty, vengeful wrath of humans.
I could go on, but I have grown tired of explaining and trying to break people's perceived contradictions in the Bible. I can say that God works in mysterious ways and that I do not know the answers to all mysteries. Instead I will say this. God is merciful, but sometimes by punishing others he is having mercy on us. God knows the best possible road to take before it occurs. Perhaps he ordered the killing of innocent children to save them from the corruption they would have destined for had they been allowed to live. God having them killed does not condemn them to hell. I once struggled with these same questions, but as I have grown older, God has started to reveal more of his nature to me. I know that I must trust in God rather than in myself or mankind.
Point Taken. Believe what you will, you have the right to do so. But respect someone else's right to beleive what they want, and live how they will, because you clearly don't already.
As for me, I don't trust in mankind either. Human Beings are flawed as hell, and I trust very little of what man has to offer. However, just because my trust in this world is not absolute, does not mean I will restrain myself from enjoying this world.
The Bible tells us to resent this world, to put God before this Earth, but I love this Earth. Life is wondorful, and this Earth is full of so many mysteries that many of you Bible thumpers are not interested in uncovering.
Hey, it's your choice. If you want to be abstinent til marriage, that's your right. If you want to go to Mass every week, not allow yourself certain pleasures, etc. then you have that right.
However, I have the right to live my life how I feel is right, and for you to intrude on that is a human violation.
What is my point? You have not convinced me of anything. You'd think that God's messengers would have enough influence to pursay every individual, but you just don't. You are flawed just like I am, and you and I are equal. You are not my moral superior by any means, whatsoever, so to argue otherwise is futile.
I actually love to uncover Earth's mysteries (archaeology is my passion) and believe that science at its root will reveal the creator. I clearly do respect your choice to live how you want because I only give advice. I allow you the choice to follow it or not, but I'm obliged to at least give you the advice. And you are right I cannot argue to be your moral superior and have not done so because "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." I do not know all the sins you have committed and I don't even know all the sins I have committed. Only God can decide who is morally superior.
Originally posted by JacopeX
I never posted things about my religions. Please get your facts straight.
Ummm - I think it is you who should get your facts straight. I quoted JesusIsAlive's post. I was talking to JesusIsAlive. Then I said:
"And neither does it seem to be respectful that when a person complements you, as JacopeX did, to then post such things mocking his religion."
I don't see how that could be conceived as directed at you, especially as I was defending your religion, not saying you had posted mistrusts about it, or that those mistrusts were real.
"You shall not murder" is the what is really says. Killing people who stand in the way of God's will is another matter entirely. God's jealousy is different than human jealousy. Jealousy does not disclude love. Also, God does not detest people, he detest the sins they commit as I have said before. God's wrath is righteous, not the petty, vengeful wrath of humans.
It just seems like so much technicality "thou shall not murder - except those who are not of this faith, because killing them when they are in the way is acceptable to me - God." And likewise, why doesn't he do something about the sin itself then? The Sodom and Gomorrah has God calling people abominations and killing them all in a rather unkind way. Likewise with the killing of the first born Egyptians and so on.