God calling people abominations and killing them all in a rather unkind way. Likewise with the killing of the first born Egyptians and so on............Sorry for taking this out of context, but god of the bible called many things abominations..........eating pork, taking people into your village/tents that are not circumcised..(oh, yes, they must be to stay with in your tent/village),............Taking a woman/man from an idol belief........god help them if they left with one in their sack, as was stated in one story.............oh, and The wife who was turned into salt!! Only because she looked back to see her beloved town burn?????.....such myth, and all abominations to this fake lord..........A real god would be beyond this..........you here are talking mythology stories just as the Greek and Romans did....
Originally posted by debbiejo
...........Sorry for taking this out of context, but god of the bible called many things abominations..........eating pork, taking people into your village/tents that are not circumcised..(oh, yes, they must be to stay with in your tent/village),............Taking a woman/man from an idol belief........god help them if they left with one in their sack, as was stated in one story.............oh, and The wife who was turned into salt!! Only because she looked back to see her beloved town burn?????.....such myth, and all abominations to this fake lord..........A real god would be beyond this..........you here are talking mythology stories just as the Greek and Romans did....
Romans 3:10 answers that question:
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one
No one is righteous and therefore all are abominations towards God because God rejects Sin. None can come to the Father expect through the Son who came to save.
Matthew 27:46
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
That was when Jesus was on the cross and became Sin. God turned his back on his only begotten Son because he became Sin. It doesn't matter who you are, if you have Sin you are not righteous, no, not one.
Originally posted by debbiejo
ESB...........THIS IS You're interpretation of what Jesus meant................Also, Paul....god, don't even mention Paul......he is/was a heretic to what the teachings of the OT and Jesus were..........It's the Pauline gospel...........
Then what did "why hast thou forsaken me" meant? Forsaken means you turn their back on them. You deny them.
And Paul; how was he a heretic? He was killed for his beliefs in Christ.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Once again I say - disgusting amounts of misinterpretation, lies, down right ignorance and attempts at using fear to force conversion. And neither does it seem to be respectful that when a person complaments you, as JacopeX did, to then post such things mocking his religion.One wonders how Christianity has survived so long, when you can't even stop yourselves from cannibalising other versions of your own faith. I don't think you ever told me, what Christian Sect/Denomination do you belong to? And don't say the Christian one, as that is neither an answer nor correct.
I get my style of being direct and cutting to the chase from Jesus. I realize that this approach is hard for many of you, but time is too short to pussyfoot around with other people’s eternal destiny. I used that confused smiley to try and communicate that I was worried or better yet concerned for him. There was no other way for me to communicate this (or so I thought). Some may accuse me of being blasphemous or disrespectful towards their religion, but folks if speaking the truth, and nothing but the truth (Bible verses) is blasphemy then everything must be blasphemy. I do not know how anyone could come to the conclusion that I am speaking blasphemy or disrespecting someone's religious belief just because I quote a scripture that debunks, dispels, and refutes what they believe. Folks it is the Bible that you are disagreeing with NOT ME. I keep saying that my basis is the Bible because it is all I use. I don't speak opinions, I speak God's Word.
You have once again MISCONSTRUED my actions. How in the world you can come to the conclusion that I mocked Jacob's religion is an unsolvable, unfathomable, asinine mystery. Give me a little credit. I mean just plain old common sense ought to tell you that the LAST thing on God's green earth that I would do is DELIBERATELY try to OFFEND someone who has just paid me a complement. You know I am starting to think that I give YOU too much credit for having common sense to know certain things. You just do not get it (or should I say get me). I DO NOT DO ANYTHING to hurt anyone's feelings purposely.
If there is anything that you should have learned BY NOW about me is that I am concerned with speaking the TRUTH (just like Jesus did) even if it may, perhaps, rub someone the wrong way. But if what I say happens to offend someone THAT WAS NOT MY INTENT. You know the Bible says something about SPEAKING THE TRUTH (which is all I have endeavored to do since day one) IN LOVE. Read the following scripture passage:
Ephesians 4:14-16
that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ—from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love .
Why don't you give me the benefit of the doubt and stop ALWAYS presuming that my ambition in life, the thing that gets me out of bed every morning is to offend people. I can't wait to just step on some toes today. I just thrive on seeing people in pain and anguish. I have nothing better to do than just offend people that I have never seen. I don't know how you can come to the conclusion that I am mocking Jacob's religion. How? And in what way am I so-called mocking Jacob's religon? Do you even know what mockery is? First of all mockery begins with INTENT to treat with contempt or ridicule. Do you know what is in my heart? You know the Bible states:
Proverbs 21:2
All a man's ways seem right to him, but the LORD weighs the heart .
The Lord weighs the heart. The Lord (the only One on my side) is the ONLY ONE that truly knows what I was thinking and why I posted those links. The Lord weighed my heart. My heart was replete with love, compassion, and most of all concern for JacobX that is why I encouraged him to read those tracts. I know that there are so many religions out there that SEEM or APPEAR on the outside to be on the up and up. But when a religion teaches people things that clearly CONTRADICT the Bible I must as it were be a watchman on the walls and alert others to this. None of you can truly say that I have even once said anything that could not be supported by the Bible. But according to Catholicism there is a purgatory. Show me where IN THE BIBLE is the word purgatory, or pope, or even that Mary IS STILL a virgin. I do not mean any disrespect but folks there are too many people being tossed about with every wind of doctrine. If there is something that miffs me it is seeing people practice a bunch of tradition that CANNOT be supported by the Bible. The thing practiced should at least be able to be supported by the Bible.
Mockery? That IS NOT and has never been my intent towards JacobX. The sheer thought of mockery NEVER ONCE even crossed my mind before, during, or after I posted those links. But yet YOU THINK that that my purpose was malevolent, and just to mock JacobX. Just because you think something is so does not make it so, ESPECIALLY if you DO NOT know what is in my heart. I judge people by what they say AND DO, not just by what I THINK. There are people on this forum who have written some very blasphemous things, used profanity, and who have been bent on being vulgar. I gave every single one of them the benefit of the doubt until they started cussing, being vulgar, and using profanity. I have not ONCE done either of that on this forum. Judge me by what I SAY not by what YOU THINK I AM SAYING OR DOING.
P.S. Jesus Christ did NOT come to bring religion or denominations. Let's see what Jesus came for:
John 10:10
The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly . Jesus Christ came so that we may have LIFE--not myriads of religions and denominations--LIFE. This is the crux of the Bible. God wants EVERYONE to have eternal life not cling to some religion, tradition, or denomination. Let these words sink down into your ears.
John 10:10
The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly . Jesus Christ came so that we may have LIFE--not myriads of religions and denominations--LIFE. This is the crux of the Bible. God wants EVERYONE to have eternal life not cling to some religion, tradition, or denomination. Let these words sink down into your ears.
True but don't forgot that Jesus came to divide. He came to divide the fateful from the fateless.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I get my style of being direct and cutting to the chase from Jesus. I realize that this approach is hard for many of you, but time is too short to pussyfoot around with other people’s eternal destiny. I used that confused smiley to try and communicate that I was worried or better yet concerned for him. There was no other way for me to communicate this (or so I thought). Some may accuse me of being blasphemous or disrespectful towards their religion, but folks if speaking the truth, and nothing but the truth (Bible verses) is blasphemy then everything must be blasphemy. I do not know how anyone could come to the conclusion that I am speaking blasphemy or disrespecting someone's religious belief just because I quote a scripture that debunks, dispels, and refutes what they believe. Folks it is the Bible that you are disagreeing with NOT ME. I keep saying that my basis is the Bible because it is all I use. I don't speak opinions, I speak God's Word.You have once again MISCONSTRUED my actions. How in the world you can come to the conclusion that I mocked Jacob's religion is an unsolvable, unfathomable, asinine mystery. Give me a little credit. I mean just plain old common sense ought to tell you that the LAST thing on God's green earth that I would do is DELIBERATELY try to OFFEND someone who has just paid me a complement. You know I am starting to think that I give YOU too much credit for having common sense to know certain things. You just do not get it (or should I say get me). I DO NOT DO ANYTHING to hurt anyone's feelings purposely.
If there is anything that you should have learned BY NOW about me is that I am concerned with speaking the TRUTH (just like Jesus did) even if it may, perhaps, rub someone the wrong way. But if what I say happens to offend someone THAT WAS NOT MY INTENT. You know the Bible says something about SPEAKING THE TRUTH (which is all I have endeavored to do since day one) IN LOVE. Read the following scripture passage:
[B]Ephesians 4:14-16
that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ—from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love .Why don't you give me the benefit of the doubt and stop ALWAYS presuming that my ambition in life, the thing that gets me out of bed every morning is to offend people. I can't wait to just step on some toes today. I just thrive on seeing people in pain and anguish. I have nothing better to do than just offend people that I have never seen. I don't know how you can come to the conclusion that I am mocking Jacob's religion. How? And in what way am I so-called mocking Jacob's religon? Do you even know what mockery is? First of all mockery begins with INTENT to treat with contempt or ridicule. Do you know what is in my heart? You know the Bible states:
Proverbs 21:2
All a man's ways seem right to him, but the LORD weighs the heart .The Lord weighs the heart. The Lord (the only One on my side) is the ONLY ONE that truly knows what I was thinking and why I posted those links. The Lord weighed my heart. My heart was replete with love, compassion, and most of all concern for JacobX that is why I encouraged him to read those tracts. I know that there are so many religions out there that SEEM or APPEAR on the outside to be on the up and up. But when a religion teaches people things that clearly CONTRADICT the Bible I must as it were be a watchman on the walls and alert others to this. None of you can truly say that I have even once said anything that could not be supported by the Bible. But according to Catholicism there is a purgatory. Show me where IN THE BIBLE is the word purgatory, or pope, or even that Mary IS STILL a virgin. I do not mean any disrespect but folks there are too many people being tossed about with every wind of doctrine. If there is something that miffs me it is seeing people practice a bunch of tradition that CANNOT be supported by the Bible. The thing practiced should at least be able to be supported by the Bible.
Mockery? That IS NOT and has never been my intent towards JacobX. The sheer thought of mockery NEVER ONCE even crossed my mind before, during, or after I posted those links. But yet YOU THINK that that my purpose was malevolent, and just to mock JacobX. Just because you think something is so does not make it so, ESPECIALLY if you DO NOT know what is in my heart. I judge people by what they say AND DO, not just by what I THINK. There are people on this forum who have written some very blasphemous things, used profanity, and who have been bent on being vulgar. I gave every single one of them the benefit of the doubt until they started cussing, being vulgar, and using profanity. I have not ONCE done either of that on this forum. Judge me by what I SAY not by what YOU THINK I AM SAYING OR DOING.
P.S. Jesus Christ did NOT come to bring religion or denominations. Let's see what Jesus came for:
John 10:10
The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly . Jesus Christ came so that we may have LIFE--not myriads of religions and denominations--LIFE. This is the crux of the Bible. God wants EVERYONE to have eternal life not cling to some religion, tradition, or denomination. Let these words sink down into your ears. [/B]
Imperial_Samura I want you to think before responding to my posts.
Originally posted by ESB -1138It could mean other things also....yet remember the scripture was altered in the first few centuries.........and yet there are other teaching of Jesus that was never put in the cannon also.......and then again there are many that have references that the Jesus we know of wasn't the one on the cross.......It goes on and on.
Then what did "why hast thou forsaken me" meant? Forsaken means you turn their back on them. You deny them.
Paul being a heretic taught against the OT teachings as well as Jesus.......study it out....
Originally posted by debbiejo
It could mean other things also....yet remember the scripture was altered in the first few centuries.........and yet there are other teaching of Jesus that was never put in the cannon also.......and then again there are many that have references that the Jesus we know of wasn't the one on the cross.......It goes on and on.Paul being a heretic taught against the OT teachings as well as Jesus.......study it out....
You think 1 person translated the Bible? You think 1 person did all this? No; a large group of people that have studied the Bible for many, many, many years got together and debated back and forth what word would best be used to make the most sense and would best go along with the teachings of Jesus.
Why have you forsaken me is as clear as day in what it meant. When Jesus was on the cross he became sin and so God turned his back on his only begotten son because God hates sin.
Why have you forsaken me is as clear as day in what it meant. When J
esus was on the cross he became sin and so God turned his back on his only begotten son because God hates sin.Yeah, that's what we've been told it meant........Look at one difference ONE slight comma could do to a belief......
"And he said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To-day shalt thou be with me in Paradise. "
Things have been edited, just like the verse...........meaning that on this day the thief will be with Jesus in paradise.......yet at that time there was no punctuation........It could also be read as this:
"And he said unto him, Verily I say unto thee To-day, shalt thou be with me in Paradise. "
Meaning that it was not of that day, but someday.
See what difference even ONE comma could mean??