Originally posted by snoopdoggso a giant spoon is charging the batteries, and they were charging it so they could get home, supes didnt do it by himself, get a better feat(not that its hard with a pis monster like supes)
Read the scan slick. All they did was charge the ships batteries while Supes through it into orbit.http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/SupestossinshipAOS473.jpg
Originally posted by bigbranRead the scan! Don't just look at the pictures. They had to dig it out with the spoons the GLs made!
so a giant spoon is charging the batteries, and they were charging it so they could get home, supes didnt do it by himself, get a better feat(not that its hard with a pis monster like supes)
WTF is wrong with some people. 🤪
Originally posted by Up In Flames
invulnerability gives juggernaut the ability to withstand any of superman's physical attacks
True, but the same can be said for Superman. He has some insane durability feats to his credit that would draw in question the idea that Juggernaut could actually physically hurt him especially as his "weakness" to magic is portrayed inconsistently at best. Superman has come a long way since Doomsday was able to "kill" him particularly in terms of his durability and the rate of solar absorption. It may be possible for Juggy to drain him to the point where Juggernaut could start doing some serious damage, but given that Superman can fly through the heart of a red star I image it would take Juggy a very long time.
Originally posted by Up In Flames
like i said earlier, juggie's invulnerability means that the tensile strength of his muscles is infinite. therefore, he has the potential to be the strongest comic book character ever
Do you have any on-panel evidence to back this up or is this just conjecture on your part? All the evidence I've seen puts Juggernaut in the 100 ton strength class around the level of Thor or the Hulk. And that is merely going by the characters he is able to hang with physically. Juggernaut just doesn't have that many strength feats when compared to Superman who has several that can only be described as insane. Lacking such evidence on the part of Juggernaut I'd be wary to say that he is stronger than Superman much less that he has the potential to have infinite strength. 😬
Originally posted by Up In Flames
thor swings his hammer at light speed, and it doesnt even budge the juggernaut, let alone hurt him. that means that no matter how hard supes hits cain, he aint gonna feel it
Once again I agree, physical attacks are usually ineffective against Juggy. But the key here is that Superman has several methods to take down the rather one dimensional Juggernaut.
Originally posted by Up In Flames
if jugs was vulnerable to extremely low temperatures, then ice man would be able to take him
The point isn't that the cold temperature will hurt Juggernaut, but that they will immobilize him long enough by encasing him in ice for Superman to remove him from the battle field (ie throw him into space).
Originally posted by Up In Flames
that aint gonna hurt him either
Again it isn't a matter of "hurting" Juggernaut, but of removing him from the battle field and thus winning the fight according to the rules of this forum.
Originally posted by Up In Flames
in case you didnt know, supes is also vulnerable to sonic attacks
If I recall correctly, Superman is vulnerable to some one with super-strength punching him in both of his ears at the same time, but then again just about everybody is vulnerable to that to some degree. This is considerably different from Juggernaut who has been shown to have a weakness to a certain type of sonic attack.
Originally posted by Up In Flames
then you obviously dont know the juggernaut...
Given his popularity and ability to attract some dedicated fans, I'd venture to say that just about everyone who has been around this forum for any significant period of time is very familiar with Juggernaut and the arguments typically used in his favor. The "problem" with Juggernaut, if it can be called that, is he lacks versatility and against a character like Superman, about whom it can safely be said that he has versatility coming out of his nether regions, such a deficiency is a major obstacle to overcome.
Originally posted by TheKahn
True, but the same can be said for Superman. He has some insane durability feats to his credit that would draw in question the idea that Juggernaut could actually physically hurt him especially as his "weakness" to magic is portrayed inconsistently at best. Superman has come a long way since Doomsday was able to "kill" him particularly in terms of his durability and the rate of solar absorption. It may be possible for Juggy to drain him to the point where Juggernaut could start doing some serious damage, but given that Superman can fly through the heart of a red star I image it would take Juggy a very long time.Do you have any on-panel evidence to back this up or is this just conjecture on your part? All the evidence I've seen puts Juggernaut in the 100 ton strength class around the level of Thor or the Hulk. And that is merely going by the characters he is able to hang with physically. Juggernaut just doesn't have that many strength feats when compared to Superman who has several that can only be described as insane. Lacking such evidence on the part of Juggernaut I'd be wary to say that he is stronger than Superman much less that he has the potential to have infinite strength. 😬
Once again I agree, physical attacks are usually ineffective against Juggy. But the key here is that Superman has several methods to take down the rather one dimensional Juggernaut.
The point isn't that the cold temperature will hurt Juggernaut, but that they will immobilize him long enough by encasing him in ice for Superman to remove him from the battle field (ie throw him into space).
Again it isn't a matter of "hurting" Juggernaut, but of removing him from the battle field and thus winning the fight according to the rules of this forum.
If I recall correctly, Superman is vulnerable to some one with super-strength punching him in both of his ears at the same time, but then again just about everybody is vulnerable to that to some degree. This is considerably different from Juggernaut who has been shown to have a weakness to a certain type of sonic attack.
Given his popularity and ability to attract some dedicated fans, I'd venture to say that just about everyone who has been around this forum for any significant period of time is very familiar with Juggernaut and the arguments typically used in his favor. The "problem" with Juggernaut, if it can be called that, is he lacks versatility and against a character like Superman, about whom it can safely be said that he has versatility coming out of his nether regions, such a deficiency is a major obstacle to overcome.
Couldn't have said it better Kahn. 😉
all you supe fans keep bringing "versatility" into all of supe's fights. well... lets take a look at a few of superman's foes:
cyborg
doomsday
lex luthor
parasite
general zod
as i can recall, none of them is as versatile as superman, none of them, except doomsday, possess vast super human strength or even super speed. yet, they still have the ability to immobilize superman or even kill him. look at lex, he aint got a single superpower... mere human... how the hell does HE have a chance against a being that moves at light speed, can move the moon, has heat vision, flight, etc.?
if supes and the juggernaut were to swap foes, jugs would be able to take them all without ever getting hurt...
feel me?
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
What magic? The fact that he has magical invulnerability? It won't do squat against Superman. Juggy simply isn't strong enough to hurt him. Period. Please don't pull out the Thor crap. Thor is nowhere near as durable as Superman nor the physical beast that Superman is.
Thor withstood blast by Odin-Thor-#241, by the Celestials-Thor-#300, and by a space Armada-Avengers-Annual#7. However, the three most impressive testimony events that showed Thor's invulnerability, however, was when he, almost, took a direct hit by a Doomsday Bomb that was capable of destroying an entire planet, and soon after that explosion Thor felt from space to a planet called Pangoria-see Thor#387. Also, Thor resisted the weight of Multitude of Planets-Thor Annual-#9, and the Gravity of a Neutron Star-Thor-#282. The other event took place when Thor paid an uninvited visit to ATUM in the Sun's core. If you think that this wasn’t enough, Thor has survive incredible physical punishment by the likes of the Destroyer, Durok, the Mangog, Surtur- Thor-#351, by the Devourer-Marvel Two In One-#23, The Thermal Man, Terminus, the 300,000 ft. tall Rhun god when he swatted Thor aside-Thor#220, and the Celestial- The One Above All- when he not only swatted Thor aside, but did hurled at him unnumbered tons of delicate machinery at him with no significant adverse effect on Thor-See Thor-#288.
Originally posted by TheKahnYep.
True, but the same can be said for Superman. He has some insane durability feats to his credit that would draw in question the idea that Juggernaut could actually physically hurt him especially as his "weakness" to magic is portrayed inconsistently at best. Superman has come a long way since Doomsday was able to "kill" him particularly in terms of his durability and the rate of solar absorption. It may be possible for Juggy to drain him to the point where Juggernaut could start doing some serious damage, but given that Superman can fly through the heart of a red star I image it would take Juggy a very long time.Do you have any on-panel evidence to back this up or is this just conjecture on your part? All the evidence I've seen puts Juggernaut in the 100 ton strength class around the level of Thor or the Hulk. And that is merely going by the characters he is able to hang with physically. Juggernaut just doesn't have that many strength feats when compared to Superman who has several that can only be described as insane. Lacking such evidence on the part of Juggernaut I'd be wary to say that he is stronger than Superman much less that he has the potential to have infinite strength. 😬
Once again I agree, physical attacks are usually ineffective against Juggy. But the key here is that Superman has several methods to take down the rather one dimensional Juggernaut.
The point isn't that the cold temperature will hurt Juggernaut, but that they will immobilize him long enough by encasing him in ice for Superman to remove him from the battle field (ie throw him into space).
Again it isn't a matter of "hurting" Juggernaut, but of removing him from the battle field and thus winning the fight according to the rules of this forum.
If I recall correctly, Superman is vulnerable to some one with super-strength punching him in both of his ears at the same time, but then again just about everybody is vulnerable to that to some degree. This is considerably different from Juggernaut who has been shown to have a weakness to a certain type of sonic attack.
Given his popularity and ability to attract some dedicated fans, I'd venture to say that just about everyone who has been around this forum for any significant period of time is very familiar with Juggernaut and the arguments typically used in his favor. The "problem" with Juggernaut, if it can be called that, is he lacks versatility and against a character like Superman, about whom it can safely be said that he has versatility coming out of his nether regions, such a deficiency is a major obstacle to overcome.
Originally posted by Up In FlamesHe's one of the smartest mere humans on DC Earth... 😬 and Superman is too human for his own good.
look at lex, he aint got a single superpower... mere human... how the hell does HE have a chance against a being that moves at light speed, can move the moon, has heat vision, flight, etc.?
Anyway... read the thread. It was... interesting to say the least.
Superman. Versatility wins out. And Juggernaut lacks pure strength feats. Fights between people usually bring them close to each other in strength so the battles can be drawn out.
Lex also utilizes tech and actually plans for running into Superman. lol. In fact, Lex is pretty much never surprised to run into Superman, because if they actually meet face to face, Lex meant it to be that way....For example, he keeps a portable forcefield generator in each of his suits, in the eventuality he gets hit with the force of a Superman level impact. He's got robots, strike teams, contingency plans, kryptonite... Shit in his most recent arc he tried to take down Superman while piloting an age old Kryptonian Warship capable of cleansing populations of entire planets. Lex is no joke.
Originally posted by Up In Flames
all you supe fans keep bringing "versatility" into all of supe's fights. well... lets take a look at a few of superman's foes:cyborg
doomsday
lex luthor
parasite
general zodas i can recall, none of them is as versatile as superman, none of them, except doomsday, possess vast super human strength or even super speed. yet, they still have the ability to immobilize superman or even kill him. look at lex, he aint got a single superpower... mere human... how the hell does HE have a chance against a being that moves at light speed, can move the moon, has heat vision, flight, etc.?
if supes and the juggernaut were to swap foes, jugs would be able to take them all without ever getting hurt...
feel me?
I hope by "Cyborg" you are reffering to Metallo. "Cyborg" Superman is wayyyyyy beyond regular Supes in durability and would destroy Juggy in ways that would make Nimrod cry.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Do you have any on-panel evidence to back this up or is this just conjecture on your part? All the evidence I've seen puts Juggernaut in the 100 ton strength class around the level of Thor or the Hulk. And that is merely going by the characters he is able to hang with physically. Juggernaut just doesn't have that many strength feats when compared to Superman who has several that can only be described as insane. Lacking such evidence on the part of Juggernaut I'd be wary to say that he is stronger than Superman much less that he has the potential to have infinite strength. 😬
Thanks Kahn. You saved me the time of having to type all that. Good stuff!
