Superman vs Juggernaut (no superspeed, no forcefield)

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Please. Stop trying to spin this. You know full well that you and Soujaboy have been very petty. But the funny thing is, eventhough I don't have a scanner, I was right about everything I said. I've been saying the exact same things as Dalak. And hell, you even refused to accept the scans I DID post. You either "read over" them or ignored them purposely so that you could distort my opinions some more. It's pathetic.

I know you're a Juggernaut fan, but stay reasonable.

Whatever son, I stayed away from the Hulk threads for this reason, I wont go back down that path.

Anyway, Superman vs. Juggernaut (No Superspeed and No Shield)

State your opinion.

Originally posted by bigbran
superman cant freeze like ice man. 🙁

You are right. Superman (post crisis) has frozen an entire planet instantly.
Juggs won't be a problem.

he will if hes moving.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
You are right. Superman (post crisis) has frozen an entire planet instantly.

Cool ... When did this happen ? 🙂

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Whatever son, I stayed away from the Hulk threads for this reason, I wont go back down that path.

Anyway, Superman vs. Juggernaut (No Superspeed and No Shield)

State your opinion.

You know what, I've been staying away from hostile threads as well. I'm still in the Hulk threads, but no longer to really debate, but just to give my opinion on the battle.

I believe Superman is, say, slightly stronger than regular classic Juggernaut(35% power), on a very bad day. And much stronger on a good day. However, since the Juggernaut is virtually invurnerable, Superman isn't going to harm him. But since Superman's superior speed(non-super), strength and agility(can Juggernaut actually leap?) can move the Juggernaut without the momentum stealing force shield hindering him, I say the actual fight goes to supes, TKO wise. Also because Juggernaut is going to need a lot of power to break through Superman's aura. And then there's also the heat vision. Who knows what would happen if Superman didn't hold back? Would it kill him? No. Would it pain him? That may be.

Now, since the topic started didn't say anything about sunlight, I'm assuming this doesn't take place in an "adamantium cage" or something stupid. That means supes can continuously charge himself. Now, without Superspeed, Supes is less likely to remove his helmet, but I'm sure he can succeed at least a couple of times. So my guess is that Supes wins a slight majority, loses once or twice and stalemates the rest of the time.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Whatever son, I stayed away from the Hulk threads for this reason, I wont go back down that path.

Anyway, Superman vs. Juggernaut (No Superspeed and No Shield)

State your opinion.

Lifting feats wise, Juggernaut has yet to prove he's on the same level as Namor .... let alone Thor, Hulk, Hercules. And with the exception of Hulk, none of these are as strong as Supes Currently. 🙂

Originally posted by Dinalfos
You know what, I've been staying away from hostile threads as well. I'm still in the Hulk threads, but no longer to really debate, but just to give my opinion on the battle.

I believe Superman is, say, slightly stronger than regular classic Juggernaut(35% power), on a very bad day. And much stronger on a good day.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Cool ... When did this happen ? 🙂

When cannibal planet was devouring the sun. Superman flew up to it and froze its insides. 🙂

Originally posted by Dinalfos
You know what, I've been staying away from hostile threads as well. I'm still in the Hulk threads, but no longer to really debate, but just to give my opinion on the battle.

I believe Superman is, say, slightly stronger than regular classic Juggernaut(35% power), on a very bad day. And much stronger on a good day. However, since the Juggernaut is virtually invurnerable, Superman isn't going to harm him. But since Superman's superior speed(non-super), strength and agility(can Juggernaut actually leap?) can move the Juggernaut without the momentum stealing force shield hindering him, I say the actual fight goes to supes, TKO wise. Also because Juggernaut is going to need a lot of power to break through Superman's aura. And then there's also the heat vision. Who knows what would happen if Superman didn't hold back? Would it kill him? No. Would it pain him? That may be.

OK I'm going to be opened minded about this, because you seem, quite reasonable .... How much do you think Juggernaut can lift ?

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Now, since the topic started didn't say anything about sunlight, I'm assuming this doesn't take place in an "adamantium cage" or something stupid. That means supes can continuously charge himself. Now, without Superspeed, Supes is less likely to remove his helmet, but I'm sure he can succeed at least a couple of times. So my guess is that Supes wins a slight majority, loses once or twice and stalemates the rest of the time.

How durable do you think Juggernaut is ... Are you aware that Thor and Colossus have caused him physical harm, when he has been without his shield ?

Originally posted by bigbran
when does supes ever have a bad day!?!!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????!!?!?!!??!

Figure - speach.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
OK I'm going to be opened minded about this, because you seem, quite reasonable .... How much do you think Juggernaut can lift ?

A lot. But depending on the superman we're talking about, it's not nearly enough. Superman is designed in such a way(well, pre-crisis anyway) that he can accomplish every strength feat. A bit like Hulk, but with less nuance.

How durable do you think Juggernaut is ... Are you aware that Thor and Colossus have caused him physical harm, when he has been without his shield ?

Oh Juggernaut is extremely durable with the forece shield on. Without it, not so much, but he still has an insane resistance to injury. But yes, he's been injured(albeit rather briefly) and even knocked out with physical force(Onslaught).

Can you show me some scans?

it is not the force field that makes him invulnerable

Leaping 50ft to KO stranger

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6230569

Strength, Holding Thor, a Thor who lifted the Midgard Serpent

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4018/8thdaythor67sj.jpg

Originally posted by Dinalfos
A lot. But depending on the superman we're talking about, it's not nearly enough. Superman is designed in such a way(well, pre-crisis anyway) that he can accomplish every strength feat. A bit like Hulk, but with less nuance.

Oh Juggernaut is extremely durable with the forece shield on. Without it, not so much, but he still has an insane resistance to injury. But yes, he's been injured(albeit rather briefly) and even knocked out with physical force(Onslaught).

Can you show me some scans?

He is just as invulnerable with or without his forcefield, His force field is just for when he doesn't want anybody to touch him, IE, if he were fighting, Wolverine and Psylock, he would put his forcefield up to remove the chance of them taking off his helmet.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
He is just as invulnerable with or without his forcefield, His force field is just for when he doesn't want anybody to touch him, IE, if he were fighting, Wolverine and Psylock, he would put his forcefield up to remove the chance of them taking off his helmet.

Then explain the Colossus and Thor ocurrences(I'd still like to see some scans)?

Also, doesn't the forceshield what causes his semi-unstoppability?

yes collosus, why dont you show it if you want it so bad!!! and, are you saying, that collosus is over odin? and i dont ever remember thor hurting him. its called pis.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Then explain the Colossus and Thor ocurrences(I'd still like to see some scans)?

Also, doesn't the forceshield what causes his semi-unstoppability?

I did post some scans, a leaping one, and him taking a shot for Thors hammer, and shrugging it off like it was nothing. without his shield.

And No, juggernaut is unstoppable because the gem makes him so, his shield has nothing to do with in durability or his not being stopped.

Nothing has completely stopped Juggernaut, besides the PIS of onslaught and Celestial Tech.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
I did post some scans, a leaping one, and him taking a shot for Thors hammer, and shrugging it off like it was nothing. without his shield.

And No, juggernaut is unstoppable because the gem makes him so, his shield has nothing to do with in durability or his not being stopped.

Nothing has completely stopped Juggernaut, besides the PIS of onslaught and Celestial Tech.

The Character Ownage thread has some pics of a stopped Juggernaut. But yes, I agree that he's never been stopped permanently with physical force. I really don't want to bring this up again, but Savage Hulk, War Hulk among some others HAVE stopped a charging Juggernaut in his tracks. Temporarily, yes.

So now the Onslaught and Celestial Tech debacle was PIS? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but it did happen.

Many people have gotten through his shields but with the level of healing that he is capable of I can’t see Sups taking him out that easy without the speed blitzing him in a physical fight. With the mental attack I would give it to him 9/10 but not counting that it would come down to Juggernaut 6/10 IMO.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
A lot. But depending on the superman we're talking about, it's not nearly enough. Superman is designed in such a way(well, pre-crisis anyway) that he can accomplish every strength feat. A bit like Hulk, but with less nuance.

Oh Juggernaut is extremely durable with the forece shield on. Without it, not so much, but he still has an insane resistance to injury. But yes, he's been injured(albeit rather briefly) and even knocked out with physical force(Onslaught).

Can you show me some scans?

Cool i knew, u sounded reasonable. I agree with the notion that Supes is one of those characters, who can be unofficially be as strong as they need to be. IMO, there are very few characters with this strength level, anymore(E.G. Hercules, Thor, Gladiator all used to be on this level, but probably due to inconsistency, very few writers depict them as such ). I also reckon that Juggernaut has never really been associated with this category, his lack of lifting feats have yet to suggest he can lift mountains and above. And this is why, i think that he is no real physical match for Superman. 🙂