Superman vs Juggernaut (no superspeed, no forcefield)

Originally posted by Dinalfos
The Character Ownage thread has some pics of a stopped Juggernaut. But yes, I agree that he's never been stopped permanently with physical force. I really don't want to bring this up again, but Savage Hulk, War Hulk among some others HAVE stopped a charging Juggernaut in his tracks. Temporarily, yes.

So now the Onslaught and Celestial Tech debacle was PIS? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but it did happen.

No the Celestial Tech was not PIS, its freaking Celestial Tech.

But Onslaught was, Physically punching Juggernaut a few states away, lets be serious for a minute, Juggernaut has withstood much worse then that.

And on top of that, he was tired and weakened, yeah.........

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Cool i knew, u sounded reasonable. I agree with the notion that Supes is one of those characters, who can be unofficially be as strong as they need to be. IMO, there are very few characters with this strength level, anymore(E.G. Hercules, Thor, Gladiator all used to be on this level, but probably due to inconsistency, very few writers depict them as such ). I also reckon that Juggernaut has never really been associated with this category, his lack of lifting feats have yet to suggest he can lift mountains and above. And this is why, i think that he is no real physical match for Superman. 🙂

I agree, he's no physical match for Superman. Besides, Supes has an aura himself that cannot be penetrated easily.

god you fanboys are terrible, what makes you think hes not a match physically?
and anyway, how strong is stranger, wasnt he like tribunals 4th face?

Originally posted by Apolloknight
No the Celestial Tech was not PIS, its freaking Celestial Tech.

But Onslaught was, Physically punching Juggernaut a few states away, lets be serious for a minute, Juggernaut has withstood much worse then that.

And on top of that, he was tired and weakened, yeah.........

Alright, but do you see what I mean? Juggernaut is limited to guest appearances and yet he was already deemed ready for low showings. Do you see what that means for characters like Hulk or Spiderman? Like it or not, the Onslaught thing happened, just as Hulk's Namor debacle or the snake bite happened.

or was that korvac?

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Cool i knew, u sounded reasonable. I agree with the notion that Supes is one of those characters, who can be unofficially be as strong as they need to be. IMO, there are very few characters with this strength level, anymore(E.G. Hercules, Thor, Gladiator all used to be on this level, but probably due to inconsistency, very few writers depict them as such ). I also reckon that Juggernaut has never really been associated with this category, his lack of lifting feats have yet to suggest he can lift mountains and above. And this is why, i think that he is no real physical match for Superman. 🙂

Just because someone lacks feats does that mean they are not strong.

Galactus has Immeasurable strength, but can you tell? Juggernauts Fights speak for themselves, he has overpowered people with Unbelievable Strength feats.

Juggernaut was a villain, your not gonna see him saving the world form a falling asteroid, or lifting a serpent, or lifting a mountain to save everyone.

But you will see him physically overpower these people am i correct?

Originally posted by bigbran
god you fanboys are terrible, what makes you think hes not a match physically?
and anyway, how strong is stranger, wasnt he like tribunals 4th face?

Debate. Normally.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
I agree, he's no physical match for Superman. Besides, Supes has an aura himself that cannot be penetrated easily.

Does he still have the Aura ?, i thought that was a long forgotten Byrne retcon ?

isnt thor on supes level of strength? and isnt a godblasts more than supes can dish out?

superman's invulnerability is a piece of shit he gets wounded by the spikey bones of doomsday

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Does he still have the Aura ?, i thought that was a long forgotten Byrne retcon ?

I don't know for sure, I'm not a Superman fan at all 🙂

I'm just telling what I know of classic Superman/men.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Debate. Normally.

Originally posted by bigbran
juggs would crush supes, its not like hes hulk or anything. nobody knows how strong juggs is, but we do know his minimun is thors level, and his max, could be anything really.
not everybody lifts things all the time like supes, to have strength feats, hell, tyrant doesnt have any strength feats, are we going to put him as weaker than superman?!?!?!?!
if supes can do more than odin, then by all means, hes stronger than juggs. strange could do shit all to juggs, and we all know how ****ing tough strange is. hell the guy withstood a godblast to no effect, supes gets hit by the hammer and screams in anguish.
h2h hand is definately not an option for supes, and with his massive speed reduction, a speed blitz is not an option either.
and supes is just going to be hit by juggs, but still manage to pull his helmut off??!?!?! 🤨 🤨
hmm, ice breath would work right, wrong!!! first of all, if it could blow juggs back, and if it could actully freez him w/o juggs fighting back. you really think juggs is going to stand there for a min while he gets blown( 😆 ) and frozen.(well maybe) hmm and if juggs is moving, NO EFFECT!!!
and another point, if juggs is moving, do you really think supes is going to fly away, no hell try and stopp juggs, and when he realizes its futile, it will be too late!!!
strength- in feats - supes, ya def, in feats supes is a beast, hell hes got the most feats out of anyone.
in reality- prob juggs, hell there is nothing he cant move when he gets mad.
duribilty- completely one sided in juggs favor, when supes gets all his skin melted off, full blasts from thor, shots from odin, massive hits by hulk, full blasts by cyke....etc all to absolutely, no ABSOLUTELY no effect, give me a ring, otherwise deal with it!!!
hmm will flying be an issue... maybe, but it will be a standstill then, or juggs could throw stuff at him, sure supes can use his ice breath and heat vision, or no juggs can jump, wrong idea to fly supes...
heat vision.. hmm, no effect, sure he can move juggs....if he was standing still!!! hell the only effect this will do is to help take off the helmut... if supes is smart enough to do so!!!
bfr- when supes gets desperate, but how will he grab him and do this w/o superspeed. hell thor had to resort to this to juggs, but one prob, thor used his hammer to teleport juggs... one thing supes doesnt have...
agility- no prob, juggs doesnt excactly have the slowest reflexes, he could catch him, of couse.
and of course t-vo- when supes finnaly plays it smart, uses all his powers to get the helmut off, ya supes will get it, but it wont be easy.
stamina- hell if it cums to it, juggs can easily out last supes....

so with all of supes powers, i can see him gets 2 or 3 wins.

Originally posted by bigbran
like you, without proof??!?!? not everyone has to follow you!!

Without proof? You mean like this:

Originally posted by bigbran
probably the stronger hulks going to get is when he fought onslaught, because jean brought out all his anger and hows he going to get stronger than that, he didnt even have a brain, how is he going to become strongerwhen he only knows anger. how is he going to become angrier, its impossible and anger does have a limit, the limit would probably be mindless hulk because he didnt know any thing except that he was angry at onslaught, so i dont see how his strenght is infinate.
if i was mindlessly crazy, could i become moe crazy. the name explains it all "MINDLESS".
im not saying juggs is stronger but hulks not going to become mindless, he needed help and to do it on his own he would need time, something he doesnt have against onslaught. if he were mindless at the start he might be able to put him down. but he starts at his normal strenght ,so 4 now juggs wins.
does that make wonder man have infinate strength because he gets stronger when he gets mad, hell no, so y should hulk they both get stronger when mad so i guess that puts wonder man over thor.u know y wms not stronger than thor becuse strength is limited.

that is one of my old post, to prove hulk doesnt have unlimited strength.

Originally posted by bigbran
theres my debate, wheres yours dinalfos?

Yes, that's your illiterate, incoherent rant disguised as debate, but where's the proof ?

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Without proof? You mean like this:

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Just because someone lacks feats does that mean they are not strong.

Galactus has Immeasurable strength, but can you tell? Juggernauts Fights speak for themselves, he has overpowered people with Unbelievable Strength feats.

The word immeasurable gets thrown around a lot in comics, but in answer to you're question ; the guy eats planets, he's hardly going to get muscle fatigue.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Juggernaut was a villain, your not gonna see him saving the world form a falling asteroid, or lifting a serpent, or lifting a mountain to save everyone.

No but he has been trapped under a mountain, and it took him a significant amount of time to break out of concrete. His punches have hardly been that impressive, he failed to KO characters who have been flattened by forces far inferior to Superman's strength.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
But you will see him physically overpower these people am i correct?

Not really .... I'm reallying on the Thor fight, but Ultron has similar durability to Juggernaut, but is only listed as Class 25 strength, and yet he fared as successfully as the Juggernaut did against Thor.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
I don't know for sure, I'm not a Superman fan at all 🙂

I'm just telling what I know of classic Superman/men.

Im not the biggest fan of Supes either (Although he been the focal point of some of my favourite books, including Identity Crisis and Kingdome Come), but I'll admit that he's generally depicted physically superior to most other characters.

even all star superman was beaten up by doomsday

Originally posted by bigbran
im stating, hulks limit, i have also showed that hulk indeed does have a limit, and your just mad because i stepped on your fav character, you on the other hand have shown(no wait said) juggs low showings..

You haven't proven a thing, my friend. NOT A SINGLE THING.

Well, I admit that I don't have scans of everything. Bummer. But when I said Onslaught, Apolloknight knew what I was talking about. SO you know it's happened. You know, I'd rather have you denouncing every event as PIS rather than denying the event ever happened in the first place. The latter is so annoying, because I want to discuss the panels, not their eexistence.

But go look in the Character Ownage thread and see for yourself. It's better than me asking you to "E-mail Marvel" 😆