Desann vs Darth Malak

I am not downplaying Desann. My point is that you have to read into these things - much like you just did.

Because I find it hard to believe that Desann, despite being a highly skilled Dark Jedi, would be anywhere on the same level as Kun, Palpatine, and Luke.

No, I actually don't think he can beat Luke when I think about it. But the thing is that he was powerful enough to be treated as a threat and even scared Luke, and he was even powerful enough to get out of a fight with Luke alive. These two things I doubt Malak would get near doing....

I really don't know anything about Desann but quite a few people thought Maul would beat him in the Maul vs. Desann thread and if Maul can beat him or even put up a fight against him then I'm sure Malak could beat him.

Desann is both stronger and smarter than Malak. he wins. in a KOTOR caption during a loading screen, it states he is no where near as good as Revan was. Malak got beat by Revan while he was at a weaker point in his life, and then even with the star forge backing him up. Desann threatened the galaxy to the extent that luke tells Kyle that it if he susceeds, it wouyld be worse than the first Galactic Empire. - Carin Bay(check if you don't believe me). Desann literally created Dark Jedi, the only problem is that they lacked dicpline. He had demonstrated a powerful command of the Force BEFORE his visit to the valley. After, he was able to temperairly disable Luke. (BTW, many say an untrained Kyle beat him. Kyle had mastered over 15 force powers, as well as teaching himself three different fighting styles, with their own pros and cons. He finished his training.)

Must be noted, Desann had tapped into the Valley at the point in time that he had fought Luke.

However, I still think Desann would lose to Malak. Desann was a skilled swordsman and powerful Force-user, but...Malak was a poweful Sith Lord.

I'm not really sure.

Originally posted by Captain REX
Must be noted, Desann had tapped into the Valley at the point in time that he had fought Luke.

However, I still think Desann would lose to Malak. Desann was a skilled swordsman and powerful Force-user, but...Malak was a poweful Sith Lord.

I'm not really sure.

Thanks for the clarification, Captain. I forgot about the Valley. 🙁

Malak tapped into the Star Forge when he was defeated by the hands of Revan.

Before the Valley he flicked his wrist and down came a corridor. He managed to disable Luke but that was after the Valley's power increase.

Where in the game did he bring down a corridor? I just played through the Cairne Dock level to see how he beat Luke (The fight was all gameplay, btw, canonically Luke could have been very well kicking his ass).

He drops a big load on Luke, but this is after tapping into the power of the Jedi.

The level Artus Topside when you first confront Desann before Kyle goes to the Valley of the Jedi.

He does that before Kyle goes to the valley (thus Desann follows him and finds it). If this is Desann before the valley then I think that Malak will win, probably. But if this is Desann in the end of JO then he wins...

This is after Desann's been to the Valley.(Thought everyone knew...oh well)

Actually, Generic Hero, while it is done in gameplay graphics, it's not actually part of gameplay. It's the same events every time you watch, you cannot change it, etc. *shrug*

It isn't. I have a savegame right before and I watched the scene thrice.

The first time, Luke got stomped. Desann was kicking him around like a toy.
The second time, Luke jumped on the rail and they barely met blades.
The third time was a good fight; both sides kept going at it.

The only thing scripted is their jump down to floor level and beyond...

In my game he always falls at least once. It is scripted that Desann is laughing through the duel though....

Come on, GH. Who do you think your're fooling? You know nothing changed, because it was already done. They don't keep randomly simulate the fight. If your're going to lie, at least make it convincing. I admit I haven't played the level as much, because I don't like using stealth, sneaking around isn't really my calling card. But I played it every time I do storymode(every once in a while). When kyle gets chocked by Desann in the games' beginning, it dosen't change. When Kyle revisits the Valley of the Jedi, it dosen't change. When Kyle talks to the chiss on Nar Shadda, it dosen't change. Nothing changes because it was already programmed, as in, the scenes are hardwired into every game. Yours is no different.

BTW, "Thrice" isn't a word.(Go back to school)

Thrice is a word... Go back to school.

WTF? Go watch the scene. The fight is done with gameplay BOTS. It's NOT going to be the same each and every time. The only thing is Desann is programmed to be a stronger bot than Luke. And remember, gameplay mechanics are not canon.

And you admit to not played it much. Here's a suggestion: Go back and play it, then comment. Leave a savegame before there and do it again.

And please, take your own advice. "Thrice" is a word. Today's youth...

Then I wonder why Desann was made as a stronger bot than Luke? Maybe because it was for Desann to look superior in that fight....

Well, we fight alongside Luke earlier in the game and the moment would be spoiled if Luke killed all of the Dark Jedi in 2.1 seconds. Plus, Desann had to be a tough final boss

Desann couldn't kill the dark jedi in 2.1 seconds either. It takes time to kill a jedi, even for Desann in JO. They could just have made it 6 jedi coming if they wanted to. And Desann still laughed during their saber fight....