Desann vs Darth Malak

Originally posted by kamikz
Fair enough.

1.) He told him that neither should take him on alone, not that he wanted Kyle to go with him, but IF they confronted him they should be 2 on 1.

2.) Ok so that proves Luke was not holding back.... But there are still factors, like stopping the Doomgiver, stopping Admiral Fyyar, stopping the dark jedi from attacking. Killing Desann alone wouldn't solve it....

3.) I thought you just recently said that masking there precense does not indicate power.... Luke could not be sensed in the force if I remember it right, he could at least mask himself in the force.....

4.) As I said, he thought he was dead. And Rouge Squardon was incoming against the Doomgiver, and other rebellion/republic armies where heading this way. Desann had to speed up on destroying the jedi academy, even when he did it the fastest he could it was to slow....

5.) Yes this is basically what I meant. Kyle got even more power than before from the valley, actually a ridicilouse amount of power. Desann stated that he was above his state when he defeated Jerec, who without the valleys power could wave his hand and crash a ship and a landing doc, and by raising his hand immobilize a powerful jedi master while the jedi was fighting...... (Vader did this, but it was against a little kid with not near as much experience).

6.) And Desann laughs because he is made to, and at similar places (like the end).

1.) I gotta play that part again, I hae no recolection of him saying that.

2.) It would solve most of it. Luke admitted before, and was well aware that the Reborn posed a diminshed threat when compared with Desann himself. And if I'm correct, they found out about Desann's planned invasion after boarding the Doomgiver and finding Jan.

3.) I never said it could indicate power. I'm saying that any Force-user with a Padawan ranking can sense if someone's alive or not.

4.) Wrong. Luke and Desann fought while the Doomgiver was still docked in Cairn. Rougue Squadron had not been summoned. And Luke and Kyle hadn't yet figured out Desann's intentions. If Desann was winning that battle like you say, then why didn't he kill Luke when he had the advantage, instead of just running for it? The leader of the invasion and the second in command of the Remnant is not going to be left behind by his own ship in his own base.

5.) I don't even know what this one's about anymore.

Originally posted by Tangible God
Gotta start numbering paragraphs, that took me 5 minutes to sort through.

1.) I gotta play that part again, I hae no recolection of him saying that.

2.) It would solve most of it. Luke admitted before, and was well aware that the Reborn posed a diminshed threat when compared with Desann himself. And if I'm correct, they found out about Desann's planned invasion after boarding the Doomgiver and finding Jan.

3.) I never said it could indicate power. I'm saying that any Force-user with a Padawan ranking can sense if someone's alive or not.

4.) Wrong. Luke and Desann fought while the Doomgiver was still docked in Cairn. Rougue Squadron had not been summoned. And Luke and Kyle hadn't yet figured out Desann's intentions. If Desann was winning that battle like you say, then why didn't he kill Luke when he had the advantage, instead of just running for it? The leader of the invasion and the second in command of the Remnant is not going to be left behind by his own ship in his own base.

5.) I don't even know what this one's about anymore.

1. Do that....

2. Ok so that dispute what the others say about Luke faking it, which proves my point. So we agree then?

3. And both Luke and Desann were masked in force precense. Luke could not be sensed by normal jedi....

4. Ok, but a jedi can see into the future. Desann probably knew (just by pure logic) that the republic would have a hand in helping the jedi, and that this whole thing would not be a walk in the park. Desann thought he crushed Luke under that garbage, and he was going into his ship to finish off the academy. What would one mere jedi be without all the others, against an empire of dark jedi. Luke didn't have much of a hand in this, he wasn't even an active fighter during the taking of the academy. If it wasn't for Kyle, Desann would have taken the academy, Luke says himself he saved his academy.

5. Nope, probably nothing to discuss.

Originally posted by kamikz
1. Do that....

2. Ok so that dispute what the others say about Luke faking it, which proves my point. So we agree then?

3. And both Luke and Desann were masked in force precense. Luke could not be sensed by normal jedi....

4. Ok, but a jedi can see into the future. Desann probably knew (just by pure logic) that the republic would have a hand in helping the jedi, and that this whole thing would not be a walk in the park. Desann thought he crushed Luke under that garbage, and he was going into his ship to finish off the academy. What would one mere jedi be without all the others, against an empire of dark jedi. Luke didn't have much of a hand in this, he wasn't even an active fighter during the taking of the academy. If it wasn't for Kyle, Desann would have taken the academy, Luke says himself he saved his academy.

5. Nope, probably nothing to discuss.

3 and 4 are linked. If Desann is so powerful, why could he not FEEL that Luke was dead? You'll notice that by "seeing in the future," it's only ever about quick reactions, or concentrated sights into the future. Desann isn't a dumbass. He knew very well that Luke was the most powerful Jedi, so why not kill him right then and there so he doesn't pop and get in the way later on? As I said, even a Padawan can detect a lifeforce, so Desann is gonna know if Luke is dead or not after just fighting a fierce battle with him.

Originally posted by Tangible God
2.) What?

3 and 4 are linked. If Desann is so powerful, why could he not FEEL that Luke was dead? You'll notice that by "seeing in the future," it's only ever about quick reactions, or concentrated sights into the future. Desann isn't a dumbass. He knew very well that Luke was the most powerful Jedi, so why not kill him right then and there so he doesn't pop and get in the way later on? As I said, even a Padawan can detect a lifeforce, so Desann is gonna know if Luke is dead or not after just fighting a fierce battle with him.

2. I belived that Luke was giving his all, but I had some things that actually disputed that, but apparently they didn't matter so Luke was not holding back. So we agree on this case then....

3-4. Luke could not be sensed in the force, isn't it simple enough that if he couldn't sense Luke at all before, why should he feel anymore when he is dead? So you shouldn't bring in the "Why didn't he kill Luke when he had the chance" before we both have established completly that Desann didn't know that Luke was dead....

Originally posted by kamikz
2. I belived that Luke was giving his all, but I had some things that actually disputed that, but apparently they didn't matter so Luke was not holding back. So we agree on this case then....

3-4. Luke could not be sensed in the force, isn't it simple enough that if he couldn't sense Luke at all before, why should he feel anymore when he is dead? So you shouldn't bring in the "Why didn't he kill Luke when he had the chance" before we both have established completly that Desann didn't know that Luke was dead....

Where does he say he could feel Luke? Luke had in other source been claimed by other jedi to not being sensed in the force, so why would Desann be an exception?

Again, this is another part we can only speculate about, as he didn't mention that, but it certainly can't be ruled out entirely. Alot of things in the game we can only guess or presume as to what's going on, so it's hard to judge by.

Yes, so how shall we do this? Continue, or agree to disagree?

The last option. This has become a debate of game mechanics, what ifs, and personal opinions. Mine being Malak would win, despite Malak being mentioned once every ten posts.

Well mine would be that Desann would win, Malak hasn't really shown anything to be above him according to me. But there ain't nothing more we can do in this debate so....

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Desann could win this, but unlikely...I doubt Luke gave his all against Desann anyways, at that time, he was way too soft when fighting ex-students

Malak would give his all against Luke.

Malak kills with drain