Superman (vs) Ego The living Planet

Started by Juntai15 pages

Lots of options have already been shown here. Supes describing how he can tear a apart a world and it's eco system. Supes talking about how he can crack a moon in half with a blow, Ego would certainly feel that. There's lots of options. The idea that you're ignoring/dismissing or claiming PIS all over the thread, doesn't change any of that.

You're clinging to a showing of Galactus needing help from Thor, and claiming Ego's losses are the PIS ones. That doesn't go a very long way towards proving he's a definitive winner here. It just shows that you're stubbornly clinging to a showing where he's portrayed as more than he is. Likewise, I could easily be doing the same with Superman beating Imperiex, Dominus, Blaze and tons of others. And in each of these, unlike Ego, he actually has definintive credible wins. Maybe I'll go around throwing up hyperbole and a random good showing from Supes and claiming he can beat Galactus too?

You're right, it's not a regular planet. But he stopped the fire of a thousand suns with regular cold - an impossible task. Clearly hyperbole, but we can except as much from a comic where Galactus needs anything at all from Thor. Comparing regular cold stopping the heat of a thousand suns to a guy who we know absorbs star energy as a power source doing that very thing is vastly different circumstance.
On one hand we have.
Cold stopping him from taking damage after being fully engulfed the fire of a thousand suns.
A solar funnel/battery -- storing/funneling solar energy.
See the difference?

Superman's record against beings similar to Ego, or even more powerful, is not only more plentiful, but he also has definitive wins over them and at a higher percentage than Ego has in his known comic history over beings of any calibre.

Galactus running away from Ego to get help from Thor is the PIS if anything in the thread is, I don't see what you don't get about that. Regardless of the part he played, Galactus shouldn't have needed him at all, and it takes away from the credibility of Galactus' power level, and the the story overall.

You feel Ego can win, I can respect that -- but you said it's a stomp. I'm just trying to show you it isn't. It's certainly up for grabs. Superman has consistantly defeated threats like Ego, while Ego can has had problems with guys like Superman. It's not hard to put two ideas together and understand that Superman certainly can defeat Ego.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Since Thor was able to override Ego's weather systems, Thor just happened to be the best one to do that.

How can Thor override his weather controlling abilities when Ego is Galactus level in power according to you?

Also, I'm pretty sure Beta Ray Bill has defeated Ego as well.

This is pretty interesting, because apparently Ego is the weakest most powerful character in comics.

Originally posted by batdude123
How can Thor override his weather controlling abilities when Ego is Galactus level in power according to you?
Because he's not.

Originally posted by Juntai
Because he's not.

Bingo.

Originally posted by Juntai
Lots of options have already been shown here. Supes describing how he can tear a apart a world and it's eco system. Supes talking about how he can crack a moon in half with a blow, Ego would certainly feel that. There's lots of options. The idea that you're ignoring/dismissing or claiming PIS all over the thread, doesn't change any of that.

You're clinging to a showing of Galactus needing help from Thor, and claiming Ego's losses are the PIS ones. That doesn't go a very long way towards proving he's a definitive winner here. It just shows that you're stubbornly clinging to a showing where he's portrayed as more than he is. Likewise, I could easily be doing the same with Superman beating Imperiex, Dominus, Blaze and tons of others. And in each of these, unlike Ego, he actually has definintive credible wins. Maybe I'll go around throwing up hyperbole and a random good showing from Supes and claiming he can beat Galactus too?

You're right, it's not a regular planet. But he stopped the fire of a thousand suns with regular cold - an impossible task. Clearly hyperbole, but we can except as much from a comic where Galactus needs anything at all from Thor. Comparing regular cold stopping the heat of a thousand suns to a guy who we know absorbs star energy as a power source doing that very thing is vastly different circumstance.
On one hand we have.
Cold stopping him from taking damage after being fully engulfed the fire of a thousand suns.
A solar funnel/battery -- storing/funneling solar energy.
See the difference?

Superman's record against beings similar to Ego, or even more powerful, is not only more plentiful, but he also has definitive wins over them and at a higher percentage than Ego has in his known comic history over beings of any calibre.

Galactus running away from Ego to get help from Thor is the PIS if anything in the thread is, I don't see what you don't get about that. Regardless of the part he played, Galactus shouldn't have needed him at all, and it takes away from the credibility of Galactus' power level, and the the story overall.

You feel Ego can win, I can respect that -- but you said it's a stomp. I'm just trying to show you it isn't. It's certainly up for grabs. Superman has consistently defeated threats like Ego, while Ego can has had problems with guys like Superman. It's not hard to put two ideas together and understand that Superman certainly can defeat Ego.


Again, you're acting as if Ego consistently loses to herald level characters in strait up combat, and that's untrue.

Thor- Never beat Ego, all he did was distract him long enough for Galactus to finish his work.

Surfer- Beat Ego via plot device(Galactus's propulsion device).

Gladiator- Beat Ego in a way that contradicts EVERY other appearance of Ego.

So I don't HAVE to say that the majority of Ego's losses have been PIS, because there's really only ONE loss that needs to be accounted for.

Let see, what can Supes do....

1. Tear up his atmosphere....wait that won't work because Ego has ample transmutation abilities to repair anything Supes does. Not to mention the fact that Ego doesn't really breath, so losing his atmosphere won't mean shit.

2. Heatvision his surface...wait that won't work because Ego's already been shown TWICE to be able to counter Galactus's cosmic fire.

3. Crack him in half with a punch...wait that won't work because Ego has not only taken Galactus's best shots, he can also alter/repair his landscape at will.

I'm not saying that Supes can't damage Ego, I'm saying that it won't matter because Ego can repair any damage that Supes actually managed to inflict. And you're acting as if Ego's just going to be hanging around while Supes is trying to take him out. It's completely within Ego's capabilities to fill his entire atmosphere with K-Nite particles, or create an army of beings that are Supes equal, or go after Supes telepathically, etc. Face it, there's just no logical way for Supes to win this, and your clinging to the notion that Supes can win because he's beaten people more powerful than he in the past, is no different than a Hulk fan saying that Hulk has a legitimate chance against Supes because Hulk's tagged speedsters in the past, and Supes has been hit by people without superhuman speed.

Originally posted by batdude123
How can Thor override his weather controlling abilities when Ego is Galactus level in power according to you?

Also, I'm pretty sure Beta Ray Bill has defeated Ego as well.

This is pretty interesting, because apparently Ego is the weakest most powerful character in comics.


Because Thor is the God of Thunder and his hammer is backed by a powerful skyfather. I don't really see the sense in it either, but that's the way it was written. I really consider it to be the same as Storm taking down Trion in their own dimension because she's the Mistress of Storms. But no matter how you look at it, there's NO WAY Supes would be able to accomplish the same. It may be true that Supes can create weather disturbances, but there's no way he can CONTROL the weather the way that Thor does.

Beta Ray Bill causes Ego to get hit with a comet.
http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=korvacquestpart02thoranep2.jpg
And he is defeated "You have triumphed again."
http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=korvacquestpart02thorannual1657qi2.jpg
And the blow weakned him to such a condition he could no longer fight.

Hmm, I wonder if Gladiator, or Superman could hit that hard...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Because Thor is the God of Thunder and his hammer is backed by a powerful skyfather.

Regardless, according to your logic, that should still make it enormous PIS considering Galactus>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mjolnir.

Funny.

Originally posted by Juntai
Beta Ray Bill causes Ego to get hit with a comet.
http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=korvacquestpart02thoranep2.jpg
And he is defeated "You have triumphed again."
http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=korvacquestpart02thorannual1657qi2.jpg
And the blow weakned him to such a condition he could no longer fight.

Hmm, I wonder if Gladiator, or Superman could hit that hard...


What does that show exactly? That Supes might be able to hit Ego with a comet while Ego is distracted? He won't be destracted in a forum fight. And Beta wining with a comet is obviously BS due to the fact that Ego can withstand far more than a single comet...

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1599/galactusblast4ii6.jpg
http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/4897/galactusblast5rw9.jpg

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8964/thor22611xg1.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2222/thor22612sl9.jpg

Originally posted by Juntai
Beta Ray Bill causes Ego to get hit with a comet.
http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=korvacquestpart02thoranep2.jpg
And he is defeated "You have triumphed again."
http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=korvacquestpart02thorannual1657qi2.jpg
And the blow weakned him to such a condition he could no longer fight.

Hmm, I wonder if Gladiator, or Superman could hit that hard...

Wait, maybe. . .

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3034/ego067lu.jpg
Oh yah, punches from Gladiator can blunt force trauma him too.

Originally posted by batdude123
Regardless, according to your logic, that should still make it enormous PIS considering Galactus>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mjolnir.

Funny.


In my mind it IS a massive amount of PIS(I thought I'd already said that), I was just pointing out that it's not completely baseless. Supes being able to do the same however IS completely baseless because he lacks Thor's control over the weather.

Originally posted by Juntai
Wait, maybe. . .

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3034/ego067lu.jpg
Oh yah, punches from Gladiator can blunt force trauma him too.


And did Ego utilize his ability to heal himself of that type of damage in that scan? NO. That's why it's PIS...

No Mentioning Events of PIS
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline . It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.

Originally posted by darthgoober
In my mind it IS a massive amount of PIS

Uh huh... so like five showings out of his EXTREMELY limited appearances are PIS?

Interesting... hmm

Originally posted by darthgoober
What does that show exactly? That Supes might be able to hit Ego with a comet while Ego is distracted? He won't be destracted in a forum fight. And Beta wining with a comet is obviously BS due to the fact that Ego can withstand far more than a single comet...

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1599/galactusblast4ii6.jpg
http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/4897/galactusblast5rw9.jpg

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8964/thor22611xg1.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2222/thor22612sl9.jpg

No, Supes can swing as impressively if nore more-so. Comets and meteors hit the moon and Earth from time to time all through history, and both still exist. Superman all out would massacre either one. Superman's repeated barage would certainly be more devistating than what Galactus did there, and he wouldn't be able to throw Superman backwards with gravity either, unless you think he can output more gravity than a black hole.

But that's another showing you're claiming as BS/PIS.
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This is too funny.

Originally posted by batdude123
Uh huh. . . . so like five showings out of his EXTREMELY limited appearances are PIS?

Interesting... hmm


I'm sorry but exactly how many times has Thor overridden Ego's control over his weather patterns?

The one time he tried?

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
The one time he tried?
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Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm sorry but exactly how many times has Thor overridden Ego's control over his weather patterns?

Exactly how many times has Thor tried to?

This doesn't change the fact that you're calling about five showings from Ego PIS based off of one showing and/or because it makes your statement- "Ego curbstomps Superman 10/10"- look ridiculous.

Originally posted by Juntai
No, Supes can swing as impressively if nore more-so. Comets and meteors hit the moon and Earth from time to time all through history, and both still exist. Superman all out would massacre either one. Superman's repeated barage would certainly be more devistating than what Galactus did there, and he wouldn't be able to throw Superman backwards with gravity either, unless you think he can output more gravity than a black hole.

But that's another showing you're claiming as BS/PIS.
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This is too funny.


So you're now claiming that Supes has a higher damage out put than Galactus?!

And Ego wouldn't HAVE to use gravity to hurl Supes back, he could use pure destructive force as he does here to throw back Galactus AND his ship...
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4909/galactusblast3an8.jpg

Or he could use things magnetic fields...
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/517/silversurfer198902209yd1.jpg

And the only things I'm outright calling PIS on are things that have been DIRECTLY contradicted on panel. Supes and Flash have been tagged plenty by people with below lightspeed movement, but do you really think they'd have a tough fight on his hand against the Hulk(who has a record of tagging speedsters).

Originally posted by batdude123
Exactly how many times has Thor tried to?

This doesn't change the fact that you're calling about five showings from Ego PIS based off of one showing and/or because it makes your statement- "Ego curbstomps Superman 10/10"- look ridiculous.


No I'm not calling PIS on 5 of Ego's showings, I'm calling it on 2 of them(Glads and Beta) because both instances go against Ego's established power. If you want to accept Thor that's fine(as I said, it has SOME foundation even if I disagree with it), but since Thor never actually BEAT Ego, and Thor possesses a level of control over the weather that Supes lacks it's kinda irrelevant.