Originally posted by rare_fox
He couldnt be born in december ok it was realy cold out in the winter the sheperds wount be out there from all the coldness ..
http://www.worldweather.org/013/c00043f.htm#climate
It's not that cold.
(It's close enough to Bethleham.)
Or:
http://www.weathersa.co.za/Climat/Climstats/BethlehemStats.jsp
Best. Argument. Ever. 😐
You do know the whole December thing is basically a guess anyway, right? Beyond that, it has to do with the sun's position in the sky. Around that time the sun is the lowest in the horizon in that part of the world. Circa December 25, after 3 days of hovering at the lowest position, it begins to "rise" in the sky....relatively speaking (since it's really just the axis of the Earth and all that jazz, nothing's really rising in a literal sense). Jesus isn't the first important historical figure to have a late December birthday because of that.
Originally posted by DigiMark007Yep...Winter Solstice.
Best. Argument. Ever. 😐You do know the whole December thing is basically a guess anyway, right? Beyond that, it has to do with the sun's position in the sky. Around that time the sun is the lowest in the horizon in that part of the world. Circa December 25, after 3 days of hovering at the lowest position, it begins to "rise" in the sky....relatively speaking (since it's really just the axis of the Earth and all that jazz, nothing's really rising in a literal sense). Jesus isn't the first important historical figure to have a late December birthday because of that.
CHRISTIANITY: Any record of the date of birth of Yeshua of Nazareth (later known as Jesus Christ) has been lost. There is sufficient evidence in the Gospels to indicate that Yeshua was born in the fall, but this seems to have been unknown to early Christians. By the beginning of the 4th century CE, there was intense interest in choosing a day to celebrate Yeshua's birthday. The western church leaders selected DEC-25 because this was already the date recognized throughout the Roman Empire as the birthday of various Pagan gods. 1,2 Since there was no central Christian authority at the time, it took centuries before the tradition was universally accepted: Eastern churches began to celebrate Christmas after 375 CE.
The church in Jerusalem started in the 7th century.
Ireland started in the 5th century
Austria, England and Switzerland in the 8th
Slavic lands in the 9th and 10th centuries. 3
The church strikes again......If there was a Jesus, then he could not of been born in Dec....the shepards were keeping the flocks out, and in winter they pen them up.
* i couldn't have to agree more...
* in the very first place, the Bible do not have any sufficient evidence on when did Mary gave birth the flesh manifestation of Christ...
* if the date was important, it should have been in the Bible somehow, telling other Christians to celebrate Jesus' birthday too...
* the early Christians and the Bible, even in its latest translation, do not tell or even suggest any kind of date regarding Jesus' birth, nor should it be celebrated...
* the date - December 25 - is pagan, taken from a certain Sun-god worship... however, it was never done by Christians... it was done by Catholics, to merge both "christian" (as they claim themselves) and pagan worship... 😉
Jeus wasn't born in December, he was born around Spring, or so I have heard. I askthis question once before. Also, on some Pagan websites, it tells how the Pagans celebrated a festival on Xmas day, but the Christians stole it from them because they thought that same day was the ideal time to celebrate the birth of some dude who decided what a great idea it would be to allow a bunch of guys to murder him. 🙄
Originally posted by Regulus A Black
Christ was born in April, around what we celebrate as Easter
Any way to verify this?
Originally posted by autumn dreams
Jeus wasn't born in December, he was born around Spring, or so I have heard. I askthis question once before. Also, on some Pagan websites, it tells how the Pagans celebrated a festival on Xmas day, but the Christians stole it from them because they thought that same day was the ideal time to celebrate the birth of some dude who decided what a great idea it would be to allow a bunch of guys to murder him. 🙄
Read my and debbiejoe's posts. It wasn't stolen so much as it was simply assimilated from past practices with other sun-related deities who were said to have risen or been reborn.
Do a search on "when was Christ born" you'll probably get all the information you need.
Originally posted by Regulus A Black
Christ was born in April, around what we celebrate as Easter
I believe this is based on a Mormon myth, it is also a topic that anti-Mormon propaganda jumps on as well. We do not have knowledge as to when Christ was born, and the LDS Church has never claimed it. Here is a statement on Mormon belief as to the time of Christ's Birth:
Bruce R. McConkie, Mortal Messiah (SLC: Bookcraft, 1979).We do not believe it is possible with the present state of our knowledge-including that which is known both in and out of the Church-to state with finality when the natal day of the Lord Jesus actually occurred(McConkie, 1:349, n.2.)
This is in reference to the month as well as the day.