Originally posted by peejayd
* in actuality, science and Bible really do coincide with one another... not until some religious group/s dealt their mighty hand to condition people's minds what to believe and what's not to believe... 😉
I agree, but now, I don't think that Pat Robertson and his lot deal with "real" scientists often.
* it's the misinterpretation of the Bible of some religious group/s and injecting their so-called "faith" whether the people like it or not... it's like apologizing for the death of a famous scientist that was persecuted in his time by discovering something that is against the so-called "faith" of certain misled religous group/s... sigh... 😉
Originally posted by peejayd
* in actuality, science and Bible really do coincide with one another... not until some religious group/s dealt their mighty hand to condition people's minds what to believe and what's not to believe... 😉
Right, they certainly can in many parts. It's those who take the Bible too literally that get into trouble, and those who view it as more of a metaphorical doctrine have an easier time.
A shame more don't continue with that trend to see that pretty much the entire thing is nothing but a metaphor...it would open up so many windows of tolerance and love for them.
Originally posted by peejayd
* it's the misinterpretation of the Bible of some religious group/s and injecting their so-called "faith" whether the people like it or not... it's like apologizing for the death of a famous scientist that was persecuted in his time by discovering something that is against the so-called "faith" of certain misled religous group/s... sigh... 😉
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Originally posted by Regretthere is much written about many of the stories being based on astronomy and also astrology...the year of the fish and Jesus, and certain constellations and planets, the sun. morning star (Venus)....Draco (the dragon)...all played parts in myth stories and according to many has been adopted into Christianity.
Then I'd say you might be right, I don't know much about astronomy.
Some examples:
The Age of Pisces
The Christian Mythos coincided with the Age of Pisces. This is the reason why there is much in the way of water symbolism in the New Testament. There is the mention of Baptism, the fact that the disciples were mostly fishermen. Then there is the walking on the water, the washing the feet of the disciples, the feeding of the five thousand with two fish, etc,. The Christians still use the symbol of the fish to symbolize Jesus. The letters of the word Jesus Christ the Savior of the World, in Latin, give the word for fish. The Pope wears the "Ring of the Fisherman," and the Pope's headdress is a fish head, from the side. The early Christians were called the "Little Fishes." In the Old Testament we read about the prophet Jonah being swallowed by the whale or the great fish. All the imagery of the chapters and verses of the New Testament can be related to the Precessional phenomena, as that it what it was composed for in the first place. It was never meant to be a biography.
The 33 years of Christ's ministry
This is a number that connects directly with the zodiac and the movement of the sun around it. As mentioned above, the sun takes 2,160 years to pass backward through one sign of 30 degrees. Now this number 2160 or its shorter version 216, is a number that turns up in megalithic construction throughout the world. It was encoded into most of the cyclopean structures, to represent the Serpent or Sidereal Cults who were the Magi, or astrologers. Now it takes 2,160 years for the sun to clear a house. In degrees this is 30. But the sun enters at the 30th degree but is not totally clear until the 33rd degree, as it is of a certain size also. This is why they said in the Bible that the ministry of Christ begins at 30 and finishes at 33. This reference would have been unmistakable to anyone aware of the secrets of astrology. The number is connected to the initiation of the "Sun" of god not "Son," passing through the zodiac. This is why the Freemasonic lodges also utilize the number. There are also 33 vertebrae in the spinal column.
Jonah and Daniel
Two stories that make reference to these heavenly paranatellons are that of Jonah and the Whale and that of Daniel in the Lion's den. In the latter the sign of Leo is being cryptically inferred, for just like Samson and Hercules, or any solar hero, there are trials that test merit and valor. Fighting the lion or being in a den of lion is a reference to the hero conquering his own vanity or egotism. In Celtic legends, many of the heroes face a dangerous boar or dragon. The boar relates to Taurus and the dragon to the constellation called Draco, one of the most arcane of the sabean symbols. Now the great whale relates to the constellation of Cetus, in the sign of Pisces. That people still imagine Jonah being swallowed by a physical whale, to re-emerge again, is testimony to the ignorance that exists in the world
Originally posted by debbiejo
there is much written about many of the stories being based on astronomy and also astrology...the year of the fish and Jesus, and certain constellations and planets, the sun. morning star (Venus)....Draco (the dragon)...all played parts in myth stories and according to many has been adopted into Christianity.Some examples:
The Age of Pisces
The Christian Mythos coincided with the Age of Pisces. This is the reason why there is much in the way of water symbolism in the New Testament. There is the mention of Baptism, the fact that the disciples were mostly fishermen. Then there is the walking on the water, the washing the feet of the disciples, the feeding of the five thousand with two fish, etc,. The Christians still use the symbol of the fish to symbolize Jesus. The letters of the word Jesus Christ the Savior of the World, in Latin, give the word for fish. The Pope wears the "Ring of the Fisherman," and the Pope's headdress is a fish head, from the side. The early Christians were called the "Little Fishes." In the Old Testament we read about the prophet Jonah being swallowed by the whale or the great fish. All the imagery of the chapters and verses of the New Testament can be related to the Precessional phenomena, as that it what it was composed for in the first place. It was never meant to be a biography.The 33 years of Christ's ministry
This is a number that connects directly with the zodiac and the movement of the sun around it. As mentioned above, the sun takes 2,160 years to pass backward through one sign of 30 degrees. Now this number 2160 or its shorter version 216, is a number that turns up in megalithic construction throughout the world. It was encoded into most of the cyclopean structures, to represent the Serpent or Sidereal Cults who were the Magi, or astrologers. Now it takes 2,160 years for the sun to clear a house. In degrees this is 30. But the sun enters at the 30th degree but is not totally clear until the 33rd degree, as it is of a certain size also. This is why they said in the Bible that the ministry of Christ begins at 30 and finishes at 33. This reference would have been unmistakable to anyone aware of the secrets of astrology. The number is connected to the initiation of the "Sun" of god not "Son," passing through the zodiac. This is why the Freemasonic lodges also utilize the number. There are also 33 vertebrae in the spinal column.Jonah and Daniel
Two stories that make reference to these heavenly paranatellons are that of Jonah and the Whale and that of Daniel in the Lion's den. In the latter the sign of Leo is being cryptically inferred, for just like Samson and Hercules, or any solar hero, there are trials that test merit and valor. Fighting the lion or being in a den of lion is a reference to the hero conquering his own vanity or egotism. In Celtic legends, many of the heroes face a dangerous boar or dragon. The boar relates to Taurus and the dragon to the constellation called Draco, one of the most arcane of the sabean symbols. Now the great whale relates to the constellation of Cetus, in the sign of Pisces. That people still imagine Jonah being swallowed by a physical whale, to re-emerge again, is testimony to the ignorance that exists in the world
Debbiejo... 😠
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We discussed my view of other religions on another thread. This type of thing doesn't effect my view due to it. Also, I had assumed you wouldn't be one to repeat the same argument as you had used with me previously.
Similarities in religions, according Mormon belief, are due to the fact that God has loved all people from the beginning of time. Due to this love, God has spoken to all peoples from time to time in their own tongue. This communication is then taken by the people and often interpreted poorly or blatantly altered. As such most religions have a basis in truth, that the same God that spoke in the Bible gave them. From our view it is not a surprise that similarities arise. Also, there is no reason to believe the Hebrews received it first. Our view merely states that they were the people that would bring forth Christ, and that they held more closely to the teachings of the Prophets given them.
I believe my other post was more eloquent, and as such would be better reference for the topic. I'm lazy at the moment, and won't go looking for it.
Originally posted by Regret
Similarities in religions, according Mormon belief, are due to the fact that God has loved all people from the beginning of time. Due to this love, God has spoken to all peoples from time to time in their own tongue. This communication is then taken by the people and often interpreted poorly or blatantly altered. As such most religions have a basis in truth, that the same God that spoke in the Bible gave them. From our view it is not a surprise that similarities arise. Also, there is no reason to believe the Hebrews received it first. Our view merely states that they were the people that would bring forth Christ, and that they held more closely to the teachings of the Prophets given them.
So does this mean that your religion and your god is right, or is your (mormon) interpretation as flawed as the rest?