Could Sion have possibly replicated Sidious' Force Storm?

That was really great input there Arbiter. 👆 👆 👆

This thread is based on nothing but an unsupported assumption and misread text.

Nebaris,you claime that Sion should know Force Storm,well if he did,then why didn't he use it?Hello?Use common sense before making threads based on an unsupported assumption.

And last time I checked,SIDIOUS was the one who made the technique,thats what the text in The Book of Anger says,doesn't it?It would require more than hate and anger to create a force power of this magnitude.You(Nebaris) saying Sion could do it with just his hate and anger,no power included,is like saying Han Solo could do it if he was angry and hateful.

I may not like Sexy,but atleast he has a point and evidence to work with.

Originally posted by Spartan ll
Nebaris,you claime that Sion should know Force Storm,well if he did,then why didn't he use it?Hello?Use common sense before making threads based on an unsupported assumption.

While I don't agree whatsoever with GM's reasonings, or ridiculous theory - he never said Sion should know or does know it, he was originally asking this:

Originally posted by GM Nebaris
Anyway here's my question. Do you think that if Sion possessed the knowledge of how to produce these force storms, do you think he would have the ability to produce a force storm even more devastating then Palpatine's?

Keyword in bold. He was only asking if Sion had the knowledge of how to produce the the storm, could he do it to the degree Sidious had?

The answer is "No", of course, but I'm just saying you must've misinterpretated what he was saying for you to make that first statement.

Very well,my apologies.But that still doesn't change the fact that Sion can't nor ever will,be able to make a Force Storm to the degree that Sidious did in DE.

Originally posted by Spartan ll
Very well,my apologies.But that still doesn't change the fact that Sion can't nor ever will,be able to make a Force Storm to the degree that Sidious did in DE.

Of course not. Your comparison of Han Solo using it is a little off, lol. Han is not even a Force user. You could say, though, that Sylvar (pre-Redemption) is able to create a Force storm then? She certainly has anger, she has a strong will (as described by the omniscient narrator), so she should be able to produce Force storms? Hell no.

If all it required was anger and will, then she should, in theory, be able to use it. That's quite ridiculous, she cannot use it to even close the degree Palpatine could, nor at all. Maybe a spark or two, nothing less.

Whatever, why did you even revive this Luke? Decay said it best, anyway.

To prove a point.And it wasn't even dead to begin with,it was still on the front of this forum page.

@Motoko:No,Nebaris just said hate and anger,nothing about Force power,thats why I used Han as an example,and I do agree with you on the Sylvar part aswell.

DE Luke, I'm really sorry but you lack serious reading comprehension skills. The Book of Anger states nothing about having strength or power in the force. The only requirements stated are a connection to the force, a strong will, deep anger, intelligent control and the knowledge to perform such a feat. Sorry, nothing about strength in the force mentioned. You have failed to 'prove a point', and please leave it to the actual capable debaters such as Nai and Mokoto and quit embarrassing yourself.

Look who's talking,n00b.You went so far as to claim that Lumiya was better than Vader or Palpatine,and had no proof to back it up(See 'The Antithesis of Ragnos Owns All' thread for more details about this)!Aswell as saying 'ZoMg!Teh R3v4n Pwn5 411!!!1one' with NO proof to back it up other than your own opinion! So why don't you just leave already,half the debaters(Including myself) can't stand you,HK69.And I wasn't the one who attacked people for no reason whatsoever unlike you,who attacked me on yuour first day here.

You base your threads and claims on nothing but unsupported assumptions.So don't presume to judge me,n00b,when you have no right to do so.

And prove to me,prove to me that to doesn't take Force Power to create a Force Storm to Sidious magnitude!We never see anyone,ANYONE,else but him use it,which leads me to believe that he was the only one who COULD use it to that degree.Even the Sith Spirits on Korriban said that Sidious COMPLETELY gave himself to the Darkside,wherein Sion,just used it to stay alive and to destroy the Jedi Order,nothing else(Ceck Official Kotor 2 site and Sion's Databank Entry for more on this)!

So don't tell ME to stop embarassing myself,when I'm not the one who IS embarrassing myself,n00b.

'And prove to me,prove to me that to doesn't take Force Power to create a Force Storm to Sidious magnitude'

Firstly, you're not making sense.
Secondly, you can read right? You see, the Book of Anger clearly states every requirement, and strength in the force is not one of them. So unlucky there, amateur.

'Look who's talking,n00b.You went so far as to claim that Lumiya was better than Vader or Palpatine,and had no proof to back it up(See 'The Antithesis of Ragnos Owns All' thread for more details about this)!'

Why are you bringing old stuff up? Stick to the debate at hand, or STFU and GTFO.

'So why don't you just leave already,half the debaters(Including myself) can't stand you,HK69.'

Firstly, I didn't realise that there were only eight debaters here, because the only people who 'can't stand' me are Escape81, Mokoto Sama, Sabo and you. Now lets see how many people dislike you. I can think of Pyro Tyranus, Rampant Ox, Jam, me, HK, Depwnzers and many more, believe me.

Secondly, I'm not HK69.

'And I wasn't the one who attacked people for no reason whatsoever'.

When did I do this? So far, you are the only person who has done that (many times might I add), and the funny thing is you've actually showed how much of an idiot you are at the same time. I mean bumping a thread just so you could get in an argument with me, and then showing jusy how illogical and stupid you are. Not to mention your reading comprehension skills suck.

'You base your threads and claims on nothing but unsupported assumptions.So don't presume to judge me,n00b,when you have no right to do so.'

Dude, I wouldn't usually judge you, but you were the one who initiated this flame war, so I now think I have every right to do so. I also think it's hilarious by the way that you rate yourself on Lightsnake's level in debating, but lack his patience. I think you'll find that nobody agrees Luke, so quit bigging yourself up when noone else will. 👆

Originally posted by GM Nebaris
The Book of Anger states nothing about having strength or power in the force. The only requirements stated are a connection to the force, a strong will, deep anger, intelligent control and the knowledge to perform such a feat. Sorry, nothing about strength in the force mentioned.

Not to put such a fine point on it but it by using the argument that it states nothing about strength or power in the force, when the first condition is a connection to the force. This could be taken as ambiguous as every living thing has a connection to the force. However, to be able to manipulate the force you need to have strength/power in the force.

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Originally posted by Archangelysses
Not to put such a fine point on it but it by using the argument that it states nothing about strength or power in the force, when the first condition is a connection to the force. This could be taken as ambiguous as every living thing has a connection to the force. However, to be able to manipulate the force you need to have strength/power in the force.

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Well the book makes it clear that sensitivity to the force is required - 'Emperor Palpatine's first volume deals with the use of emotion to control the Force.' However, it is clear that raw force power is not a requirement, and seemingly not a factor. The book makes it clear that the nature of the force storm is much different than other attacks, as it is fueled by emotion and not raw force strength.

Originally posted by Archangelysses
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Originally posted by GM Nebaris
'And prove to me,prove to me that to doesn't take Force Power to create a Force Storm to Sidious magnitude.'

Firstly, you're not making sense.
Secondly, you can read right? You see, the Book of Anger clearly states every requirement, and strength in the force is not one of them. So unlucky there, amateur.

'Look who's talking,n00b.You went so far as to claim that Lumiya was better than Vader or Palpatine,and had no proof to back it up(See 'The Antithesis of Ragnos Owns All' thread for more details about this)!'

Why are you bringing old stuff up? Stick to the debate at hand, or STFU and GTFO.

'So why don't you just leave already,half the debaters(Including myself) can't stand you,HK69.'

Firstly, I didn't realise that there were only eight debaters here, because the only people who 'can't stand' me are Escape81, Mokoto Sama, Sabo and you. Now lets see how many people dislike you. I can think of Pyro Tyranus, Rampant Ox, Jam, me, HK, Depwnzers and many more, believe me.

Secondly, I'm not HK69.

'And I wasn't the one who attacked people for no reason whatsoever'.

When did I do this? So far, you are the only person who has done that (many times might I add), and the funny thing is you've actually showed how much of an idiot you are at the same time. I mean bumping a thread just so you could get in an argument with me, and then showing jusy how illogical and stupid you are. Not to mention your reading comprehension skills suck.

'You base your threads and claims on nothing but unsupported assumptions.So don't presume to judge me,n00b,when you have no right to do so.'

Dude, I wouldn't usually judge you, but you were the one who initiated this flame war, so I now think I have every right to do so. I also think it's hilarious by the way that you rate yourself on Lightsnake's level in debating, but lack his patience. I think you'll find that nobody agrees Luke, so quit bigging yourself up when noone else will. 👆 [/B]

Again,congradulations on contradicting yourself,n00b.

I'll be away from away from my computer for awhile,so IF you post on this matter again,I'll check it tonight and have a reffutal ready.

'YOU are the one that's not making sense,you haven't provided ANYONE,besides Palpatine,who used Force Storm to the degree that Palpatine did'

Again, you are not making sense. Do you not even know how to formulate a proper sentence?

'Rampant Ox has never stated he doesn't like me,don't lie.And Depwnzors doesn't like me because I [roved him wrong in 'Traya Vs Sidious' thread,he's been holding that grudge for awhile.Pyro Tyranus is the same as Depwnzors,except it was Dooku instaed of Traya.HK69 is a n00b,not a lot of people like him either.'

The point is, you're more disliked than I am.

'I asked REX to do a sock check on you,he said your IP matches that of HK69's,nice try.'

How comes I'm not banned then, n00b?

'LOL!Atleast I'm not hated by everybody because I make unsupported assumptions and claim everyone's wrong.'

The thing is, you're hated by many people. I'm disliked by a few, so please stop talking.

'No,I didn't.YOU were the one who brought up the 'Best Debaters' list,thus initiating an all out flame war,and claimed I was the worst.Funny,considering half of those debaters don't even debate and the other half can't stand you.'

Sorry Luke, but you were the one who bumped this thread for no reason except to claim that my assumptions are unsupported. And if you really want a debate, all you have to do is ask. But believe me, you will get owned.

so whats the debate gonna be about

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Nebaris, Spartan can at least back up what he says.

By the way: Spartan's hated by fanboys. Pyro Tyrannus, yourself, and Rampant Ox are all fanboys. So let's be honest. Who cares what you all think?

Ok, prepare a debate with no Revan, Tulak Hord, Mace Windu or anybody like that, and I'd destroy him.

[i]Originally posted by GM Nebaris [/i'YOU are the one that's not making sense,you haven't provided ANYONE,besides Palpatine,who used Force Storm to the degree that Palpatine did'

Again, you are not making sense. Do you not even know how to formulate a proper sentence?

'Rampant Ox has never stated he doesn't like me,don't lie.And Depwnzors doesn't like me because I [roved him wrong in 'Traya Vs Sidious' thread,he's been holding that grudge for awhile.Pyro Tyranus is the same as Depwnzors,except it was Dooku instaed of Traya.HK69 is a n00b,not a lot of people like him either.'

The point is, you're more disliked than I am.

'I asked REX to do a sock check on you,he said your IP matches that of HK69's,nice try.'

How comes I'm not banned then, n00b?

'LOL!Atleast I'm not hated by everybody because I make unsupported assumptions and claim everyone's wrong.'

The thing is, you're hated by many people. I'm disliked by a few, so please stop talking.

Huh?I don't think so.Here's the people that dislike YOU:Escape 81,Motoko Sama,Lightsnake,Darth Sexy,Veneificusand 1.People who 'hate' me(Only because I proved them wrong in a debate and they're being n00bs about it):You,Depwnzors,Pyro Tyranus.Contradicting yourself again,I see.

n't.YOU were the one who brought up the 'Best Debaters' list,thus initiating an all out flame war,and claimed I was the worst.Funny,considering half of those debaters don't even debate and the other half can't stand you.'

Sorry Luke, but you were the one who bumped this thread for no reason except to claim that my assumptions are unsupported. And if you really want a debate, all you have to do is ask. But believe me, you will get owned.

And I AM debating.YOU are evading from answering the question because you don't have an answer.And I actually have solid PROOF to my claim.