Could Sion have possibly replicated Sidious' Force Storm?

Originally posted by Archangelysses
After re-reading the original question in entirety I would have to say no.

That is only because of the fact that Sion survived due to his hatred and his will. I believe that he would be unable to focus that hatred and will with such control to create the storm, without dying himself.

To put plainly, by trying to double task the thing that keeps him alive to activate something else he crashes the system.

However, if he was whole to begin with and had access to Palp's library, then pretty bloody likely he could have

Either way, it still looks like Sidious is the only one

Originally posted by Spartan ll
Ush and Traya haven't even been on in awhile,and they wouldn't waste their time on a thread like this.Just look at the title,it's about an unsupported assumption that is as stupid as the idiot who made it.

We aren't talking about Tennis,we are talking about debating.And even then,Tennis is just whacking a ball around,wherein debating is more complex and it requires skill to be a good debater such as where to check your proof and to find a source that is as solid as your claim.Quit straying from the said topic.

My point was, you don't have to be an expert on a subject to be able to judge how others are in relation to that subject. Even a complete n00b like Ownage would likely be able to accurately judge who the best debaters here are.

Originally posted by Spartan ll
We aren't talking about Tennis,we are talking about debating.And even then,Tennis is just whacking a ball around and making sure it doesn't hit the net.Wherein debating is much more complex and it requires skill to be a good debater such as where to check your proof and to find a source that is as solid as your claim.Quit straying from the said topic.

So according to this, you actually do not require any skill to be a pro tennis player, or golfer, racing driver, motorcycle racer, aww hell, guess the olympics then are a bunch of untalented dips***s that drew straws at random

Be it debating, playing chess, racing cars, playing sport, does not matter, they are all complex situations that you either have a talent in or not.

To belittle tennis players that spend so many years practising their craft deminishes their accomplishments, and in turn, would also reflect badly on those who pursue academic areas. Logically from your one statement, you can deduce that Einstein was an idiot, Eddison was a dunce, Galileo a braindead twit etc. The list goes on.

True.But I'd rather look to someone who has experience in the field of debating rather than someone who doesn't.

That's like asking someone how to fight but the person doesn't know how to fight.I would rather go to a professonal boxer or fighter and ask his take on it rather than someone who doesn't even know how to fight and hasn't in their whole life,wouldn't you?

Originally posted by Spartan ll
True.But I'd rather look to someone who has experience in the field of debating rather than someone who doesn't.

That's like asking someone how to fight but the person doesn't know how to fight.I would rather go to a professonal boxer or fighter and ask his take on it rather than someone who doesn't even know how to fight and hasn't in their whole life,wouldn't you?

However, you were wrong, I wasn't contradicting myself. You have lost, so unlucky about that. 😆

Could not agree with you more on that point

However, the point of this thread is in entirety moot

Sidious discovered the power, therefore Sion could not have done it.

If Sion were to have come after Sidious in the timeline, then 'Maybe'

Although my original decision still sits along the lines of the fact that his will and hate were focussed inwards on himself to keep himself together, to focus it somewhere else would have killed him. As in game, when he loses that focus, ONE DEAD SION

Originally posted by Archangelysses
So according to this, you actually do not require any skill to be a pro tennis player, or golfer, racing driver, motorcycle racer, aww hell, guess the olympics then are a bunch of untalented dips***s that drew straws at random

Be it debating, playing chess, racing cars, playing sport, does not matter, they are all complex situations that you either have a talent in or not.

To belittle tennis players that spend so many years practising their craft deminishes their accomplishments, and in turn, would also reflect badly on those who pursue academic areas. Logically from your one statement, you can deduce that Einstein was an idiot, Eddison was a dunce, Galileo a braindead twit etc. The list goes on.

Originally posted by GM Nebaris
However, you were wrong, I wasn't contradicting myself. You have lost, so unlucky about that. 😆

Nebaris,

I take up the point of the thread you made and you don't respond to these points

YOU bring in the point of skill etc which you used tennis as the example, and when Spartan replied I questioned his diminishment of their skill.

Now you quote his response to me, which was a valid and reasonable response, and then deduce from that that he has lost, and was contradicting himself. Whereas there may be some contradiction in diminishing a physical skill as simple and a mental skill as difficult as he did in the post that drew my input into your argument (for this has gone past the point of debating and is now plainly and simply backbiting arguing), I could see the point that he was trying to make regarding judging a skill and/or learning it. A valid Point that only shows lack of thought.

THE MARK OF AN EDUCATED MIND IS THE ABILITY TO ENTERTAIN A THOUGHT/IDEA WITHOUT ACCEPTING IT

Your response did not show any attempt to entertain the thought or reason it through. It only showed a quick fire rebuttal that does not end the argument/debate one way or the other

Originally posted by GM Nebaris
'One problem,dumbass,Traya and Ush DO DEBATE!Ush has in this forum many times,and traya has in the Versus forum aswell.'

I think you missed my point. Both Ush and Traya are English professors. And again, try to make more sense. Ush in particular would be able to objectively state whether I was contradicting myself or not.

'And yes,you DO need to be a good debater to judge people,that way you know who's better than you and who isn't.'

Do you need to be a tennis pro to judge who is better out of Murray and Nadal? Dude, quit embarassing yourself.

No, I am a History Teacher. Not an English Professor.

OK. I didn't know that. However my point still isn't defeated, there's still Ush.

Ushgarak? Erm, he's not an English Professor to my knowledge. Either way, he's not the best of sources to refer to.

He's fairly biased towards movie characters and he's got a Stalin complex.

Well even if he is biased, it wouldn't matter because it was solely an English language related question.

Pray tell, what was the question?

Well me and Spartan were in a kind of flaming war, and I stated that he was cocky when he had no reason to be, and stated that he was an idiot for thinking he was as good a debater as Lightsnake, and that he was a bad debater.
He than stated that I was contradicting myself because I had earlier stated that I don't debate too much and don't always act seriously, and that I couldn't possibly judge others on their debating skill because I don't debate.
I replied by saying that not debating too much on here =/ not debating very much in the outside world, and that you don't have to be a good debater to judge how good others are. He just couldn't accept that he was wrong, and that I was not contradicting myself and so I told him to ask Ush (and you).
I know that it isn't so much of an English Q, however it is non SW related.

WTF? That's somewhat anal. I'm not qualified to build a car, but I can make an informed judgement on whether or not that car is bad or good, expensive, whether or not it performs adequately and et cetera.

I don't know how to build a Processor, or a Graphics Card or hell, any other computer hardware part! But I still can choose what hardware part to place in my computer, after an informed decision.

^

My two cents.

Where did I say I was better than Lightsnake?Oh yeah,I didn't!You're contradicting yourself,again.I said Lightsnake was better than me because he has more patience to put up with stupid people like you.

And then you proceeded to bring up how many people hate me,you then lied and claimed others did and made a false list,to which only three(Which were included in his TRUE list of people that hated me,and I pointed out that they hated me because I beat them in debates and they were still sour about that,which is true.) TRUELY disliked me.The others never even admitted to hating me,he contradicted himself then aswell.

And then he said it doesn't take a debater to point out who's good at debating,to which I said that it DOES,a good debater knows other good debaters better than someone who has no experience in the field of debating at all.

He then proceeded to make a stupid claim that you had to have some Force Connection and be angry and hateful to make a Force Storm,to which I asked if anyone else besides Sidious use a Force Storm to Sidious' magnitude.He still hasn't replied to that question.His claim is like saying that Baby Luke(Who has a Force Connection FYI) could perform a Force Storm if he was angry and hateful,which is bullshit.

Exactly.

'Where did I say I was better than Lightsnake?Oh yeah,I didn't!You're contradicting yourself,again.I said Lightsnake was better than me because he has more patience to put up with stupid people like you.'

You'll notice tha I said 'as good as', and you did. You said that your debating skill was on his level.

'And then you proceeded to bring up how many people hate me,you then lied and lcaimed others did and made a false list,to which only three(Which were included in his TRUE list of people that hated me,and I pointed out that they hated me because I beat them in debates and they were still sour about that) TRUELY disliked me.The others never even admitted to hating me,he contradicted himself then aswell.'

Dude, most of those people privately hated you. The fact remains, more people hated you than they hated me.

'And then he said it doesn't take a debater to point out who's good at debating,to which I said that it DOES,a good debater knows other good debaters better than someone who has no experience in the field of debating at all.'

Do you need to be a tennis pro to judge who's a better player out of Roddick and Henman?

'He then proceeded to make a stupid claim that you had to have some Force Connection and be angry and hateful to make a Force Storm,to which I asked if anyone else besides Sidious use a Force Storm to Sidious' magnitude.He still hasn't replied to that question.'

I think you'll find that my reply is there.

Originally posted by Swirly Girl
WTF? That's somewhat anal. I'm not qualified to build a car, but I can make an informed judgement on whether or not that car is bad or good, expensive, whether or not it performs adequately and et cetera.

I don't know how to build a Processor, or a Graphics Card or hell, any other computer hardware part! But I still can choose what hardware part to place in my computer, after an informed decision.

^

My two cents.

1.Oh so you would know when it's wrong or not even when the problem isn't visible?Yeah,right....

2.Don't compare computers to debating.And is Nebaris a bearer of an informed decision when it comes to debating?No.Why?Because he doesn't even know how to debate!I'd rather ask someone with experience in the debating field on who are the Best Debators, rather than somone who doesn't wouldn't you agree?