Starcraft vs. Halo

Im sorry to report that you all are just bashing in your favor...

-Flood ARE NOT personally intelligent but they do sap the intelligence of their host and therefore have some form of intelect
-The Zerg DO have some intelligence, they just have no independence, they can't think for themselves.
-Both Zerg and Flood mass to an uncountable number, the constantly multiplying flood on the Halo Ringworlds, and the massively large, still surviving, broods of the Starcraft which contain and estimated count of 1,000,000,000

And from my perspective from playing the games, reading the history of the groups and reading this discussion, both teams are evenly matched, because they both posses the potential to wipe out the other 2 forces in their game.
And if they were to fight the battle would probably last for hundreds of years before one side was totally devoured into the other...

And you did create a one sided match between the 2 games Blaxcian, and that is against the rules so your lucky this thread hasn't been closed yet so don't go around boasting about how lifes unfair, cuz the rules in this is that it has to be fair, wether u like it or not...

But Blaxcian you ARE becoming immature in your own discussion which doesnt make you look very good.

Originally posted by OMG-Toothpaste
And you did create a one sided match between the 2 games Blaxcian, and that is against the rules so your lucky this thread hasn't been closed yet so don't go around boasting about how lifes unfair, cuz the rules in this is that it has to be fair, wether u like it or not...

But Blaxcian you ARE becoming immature in your own discussion which doesnt make you look very good.

At the TIME I made this thread, a f*cking YEAR ago, I HONESTLY believed that even without the Flood the Covenent and UNSC would stand a fair chance against the combined Starcraft forces. So no, it wasn't unfair, in my mind, when I first made this. I realized later that Halo forces would get raped and are outnumbered, so I stopped psoting here. ALSO, when I realized that, I reported for this to be closed. It wasn't. So, eh. I never expected someone to revive this.

thats a very fair and good view on the debate OMG

OMG no wai!

Originally posted by Burning thought
🙄 L2 read....

Try not to be such a hypocrite.

Originally posted by Burning thought
i said the new overmind...new...the new one had few forces protecting it

Originally posted by Burning thought
and they were over 2 million strong

Claims without backup mean absolutely nothing to me, Burning. They’re like a finger stuck in a concrete dike.

Originally posted by Burning thought
also your "overmind cannot control" rubbish has no strong evidence behind it his cerebrates are loyal to him and he can stop any of them at any given time

A flour bag of nonsense, really. You’re reasoning that he should be able to control a trillion different cerebrates and bend them to his will as part of the Zerg Swarm. As powerful as Overmind inherently is, there’s no way that the thing can manage a trillion different broods at once. There’s already renegade zerg broods running around like chickens with their heads cut off.

Originally posted by Burning thought
he says so himself, even if they bicker, they are not his advisers they are simply part of him, like a slab of brain from himself

The very fact that Cerebrates can think to a great extent for themselves as to mistrust each other remains testament to a limited amount of control which the Overmind exercises it. He doesn’t have complete control of their minds or other motives they may. What makes you think then, that if he doesn’t have complete control of about a dozen cerebrates, that he will be able to sway more to his will?

It even said that he only used the two most trusted Broods to ensure his safety. That means that some are less trustworthy than others.

Originally posted by Burning thought
obviously not literally but thats what their like that hes using to control the hordes, any indivduality they show is personality and their high intelligence yet they cannot do anything against the overmind

“Any individuality they show is personality”, yet you claimed just so recent ago that they were essentially a piece of his own mind, and so figuratively should share the same personality, at least to the extent so they don’t bicker. But they do.

Originally posted by Burning thought
he says so in i think the second mission briefing so as i said before,there "could" be well over 100 zerg broods for all we know since zerg seem to pop up everywhere..

He said “innumerable”, which pertained to the actual Brood population of the Swarm itself, under Overmind’s control. Not to the number of Broods.
He may be a big powerful psychic entity, but he still doesn’t have the mental capacity to control a billion different swarms, let alone a hundred.

Simply put, he was exaggerating.

And because Zerg seem to pop up “everywhere” doesn’t mean that there are more than a hundred broods, very faulty reasoning.

Originally posted by Burning thought
.\infact how can you even try and deny the overminds intellect span he never says limits, infact there are a lot of times in the game, both of them where unnamed cerebrates crop up....?

Originally posted by Burning thought
also your putting them in a bad light by even trying to compare them to halo organisations, you even try and compare the UNCE and covenant armor to marine and protoss,

I compare because we kind of have to, get it? This is a world versus world affair, if you haven’t realized by now. I compare armor types because they, while inferior in your eyes, are still about the same in some aspects. However, something able to penetrate Covenant armor should be able to punch through Zerg carapace, as hard as it is.
The very fact that you’re accusing me of this nonsense claim that I put StarCraft elements in a bad light because I’m comparing them when I’m supposed to in the first place is remarkably stupid, on a level all of its own. This is what I’m talking about why I say you’re overhyping, because you’re telling me that the races in StarCraft are so superior that the prospect of even comparing them to Halo’s is an insult.

Originally posted by Burning thought
its like comparing warhammer 40k space marines against the soldiers of today in real armies....

Originally posted by Burning thought
Terran marines fire weapons more powerful and more developed and wear super power suits, often said to be copied of warhammer with all the support systems and amplifiers they get

I’m talking about the concept of Flood vs Zerg here and you’re attempting to bring Terran vs UNSC into play. What’s the point? How does this affect the conflict of Flood vs Zerg? Simply put, it doesn’t. You’re bringing a point that is entire, absolutely moot and pertains nothing to what I’m discussing at hand. You’re spouting off movelists and comparisons within the actual game to another unit in the actual game, which also means nothing. You have to compare to actual units in the other game to mean anything.

Congratulations, you’ve taken my entire argument and what I’ve been saying out of context. Even above, I’ve already conceded to the fact that Terran can beat the UNSC in all-out war. Clear? Good.

Originally posted by Burning thought
the covenants are simliar with the protoss, not to menstion their grunts are pathetic

Originally posted by Burning thought
and even their elites die incredibly quickly against UNCE assault rifles..

Originally posted by Burning thought
taking into account assault rifle<supersonic gauss rifle we can easily tell an elite would prob die from one shot, supersonic explosive rounds

The spikes fired from a gauss rifle are designed to maim, not kill. Because something is supersonic does not mean that it can kill with a single shot. The Gauss round from Halo 2’s Warthog is supersonic too, and it takes two shots to kill an elite. Both types are made from depleted uranium.

The Gauss round is about half the size of an ordinary human’s fist.
I’m not sure how big the spikes are, but they can’t be nearly that big because it’s a two-handed rifle, not a bloody vehicle-mounted turret.

Know. What. The. Hell. You. Are. Talking. About.

The standard issue Confederacy rifle is a powerful gun, but seriously, let’s be a little bloody reasonable here. You’re throwing hyperboles and exaggeration left and right like bowling balls, it kind of reminds me of lightness claiming that Snake could take on a Hunter in Resident Evil in hand to hand.

Originally posted by Burning thought
honestly and the Zerg can survive several rounds which shows they are far more durable anything to flood has faced

The Zerg may be durable, but don’t think that they’re far more so than anything the Flood has ever faced. Exaggeration Alert! They’re definitely more survivable than a UNSC marine, but you seem to be forgetting the fact that the Covenant have Brutes and Hunters.

Originally posted by Burning thought
also what makes you think even if the Zerg do have spines which isnt confirmed 100% but if they do

Originally posted by Burning thought
what makes you think they could take over a zerg or infest it...its diffrent from a humanoid

Do your research from now on. Thank you.

Originally posted by Burning thought
also were forgetting al together that although their armor is far greater than what the flood has ever hit against

See my Gauss analogy above, Burning. Covenant armor is on par with Zerg carapace. Carapaces are pierced by the marine’s assault rifle on the first three round burst, but Elite armor isn’t penetrated by the first shot from a turret mounted Gauss gun even though the shot fired from it is technically bigger. Does that tell you anything?

You have absolutely no support indicating that Zerg armor is far superior to anything to anything that the Flood has ever faced, yet you’re still spouting it about as though if it were plain, hard fact. Stating something over and over without technical support or proof isn’t going to make it fact, Burning.

Originally posted by Burning thought
they can regenerate, in seconds Zerg can reform organs and tissue, every wound

Originally posted by Burning thought
if the flood get close at all

Originally posted Burning thought
and actually can cause any damage can be reformed since they dont have the weapons of either the terran or the protoss

It’s incredibly stupid how you think that weapons in the Halo universe aren’t powerful enough to even compare to that of Starcraft’s.

Tell me, do you think a pack of Zerglings can survive a huge plasma mortar from a Wraith Covenant tank?

Originally posted by OMG-Toothpaste
-Flood ARE NOT personally intelligent but they do sap the intelligence of their host and therefore have some form of intelect

That still makes them possess the intellect and capacity to do certain things, which is the point I've been trying to make.

once again you miss a lot of points and are wrong, what you seem to think are facts are obviously mislead...ime sorry

first evidence proving there were millions protecting it?...l2 play the game...on the very mission you capture it, they said they had killed Zerg in the millions trying to get the new overmind, obviously this shows your lack of starcraft knowledge if ime showing lack of halo knowledge

if ime a flourbag of nonsense you must be an entire bakers shop of nonsense, first i said there could be trillions of Zerg, 2nd theres no proof or evidence to state he could not control trillions of cerebrates even if i actually stated he could because hes an enormous brain, can you even imagine the amount of things the human brain, the size of a coconut/melon can do, millions of insructions it can carry out, thats what the Overmind is, a massive brain however the Overmind is enormous, looking at it nearly the size of a block of flats or small skyscraper and twice as wide, its a brain and theres no evidence to prove there is a limit to the number of cerebrates it can control. They bicker ofcourse, thats their personality, yet their still a part of his mind, their linked to him yet he can kill any of his servants with but a thought so they could never rise against him also in the early times there are no renegade zerg, anything linked to cerebrate is under control they only go renegate if they lose the link.

also about the first briefing, although the point i was making in one of them he does say that they are bound to him, the cerebrates but you brought up another point, why would he exaggerate? its not a human being, the overmind is an ancient entity who controls and wills, he wouldnt exaggerate, the Zerg swarms are innumerable, without number simply because their constantly multiplying which is why their such a great power in the starcraft universe and how its going to be impossible for the flood to beat, their basically super flood, swarming in numbers only they are incredibly potent unlike the flood which seem drunken and zombielike, the overmind and kerrigen give them the mind they need.

easy level, no m8...even on legendary they cant take too much of a bashing compared to a Zerg hydralisk or a warrior that would could at least try to compare judging by roles.

are you completly ignorant to my posts or something? ill lay it out for you, i was comparing the convenant and USCE with terrans for the purpose of showing terran weaponry is far superior and that the flood can get shot down by their weaponry quite easily wheras the Zerg can survive a lot more punishment from the superior terran weapons than the flood do to the inferior USCE, even their Zerglings which come in vast numbers can survive a large volley of gauss rifle fire. Also you obviously missed something, the Gauss rifle supersonic rounds are designed to maim Zerg, and Terrans are trained to maim zerg because the Zerg are without number especially compared to the Terrans and they live by the rule a wounded creature can be more of a hinderence than a dead one to the zerg..however you clearly dont understand that A: this is the sort of weapon scout forces and exploration groups use, also that a supersonic bolt from a guass rifle is likely to cause incredible damage, smashing through the skull or the body and B: when they fight the zerg to kill them, they use the explosive uranium rounds, which explode after piercing armor...yet Zergling survive several volleys showing great durability from the weakest zerg creature

regardless of spines or nervous system...the little things wont bread into powerful Zerg armor, read above...their not thin armored covenants or USCE...also thats an interesting question, Zerg or an elite with blade..considering the elites weapon can even cause much damage at all hed have to be fast, the zergling leaps great distances and great speed not to menstion if it reaches the elite, its a gonner..besides its only a zergling..cannon fodder, if it was a Hydralisk, your brute and hunters can run. Not to menstion your point on the Warthogs gauss cannon is now invalid, due to the fact now you know terrans prepared to kill use explosive rounds, the warhog shows no evidence of such lethal ammuntion.

the flood wont necesserily get close at all....they wont because the Zerg dont need to drop ground troops, if the flood was actually any threat at all the zerg mutalisks and guardians would destroy the flood from the air and range.

Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
OMG no wai!

hehe i ment his opinion is a fair opinion, wether its the last word remains to be seen.

Originally posted by Burning thought
hehe i ment his opinion is a fair opinion, wether its the last word remains to be seen.

Originally posted by Burning thought
once again you miss a lot of points and are wrong, what you seem to think are facts are obviously mislead...ime sorry

That’s fallacy there, plain and simple.

Originally posted by Burning thought
first evidence proving there were millions protecting it?

And try not to make some half-baked horseshit up again like you did.

Originally posted by Burning thought
...l2 play the game...on the very mission you capture it, they said they had killed Zerg in the millions trying to get the new overmind, obviously this shows your lack of starcraft knowledge if ime showing lack of halo knowledge

I don’t think you know what the hell you are talking about, because you seem sadly misinformed. Nowhere does it say in either the briefing or the scripted action in that mission providesany indication of the numbers of Zerg guarding the new Overmind and the crystal number in the millions. How do I know? I just played it.

Kerrigan mentions that several types of broods led by a handful of unnamed cerebrates are guarding it, but that’s all. That doesn’t mean anything. She says nothing even remotely resembling population of the forces they were up against.

Is this another one of your ridiculous claims that aren’t even true?

Originally posted by Burning thought
if ime a flourbag of nonsense you must be an entire bakers shop of nonsense,

At least come up with something unique.

Originally posted by Burning thought
first i said there could be trillions of Zerg

Besides, the estimated zerg brood populations aren’t that out of date. The events of Brood War occurred a week later at the most from StarCraft, and the Zerg population was decimated at that time. They numbered 50 million at the most, and that’s a very generous guess considering that the major broods added up don’t even total 15 million. The other 35 million is to account for these so called numerous other broods, and that’s still a generous guess.

There is absolutely no way that the Zerg could breed that fast to go from 50 million to a trillion in less than a year considering the losses.

Originally posted by Burning thought
2nd theres no proof or evidence to state he could not control trillions of cerebrates even if i actually stated he could because hes an enormous brain

If he did have this much power, as I said before, he would have asserted it so that the cerebrates are a complete extension of him rather than having quirky, different personalities for each cerebrate and having them argue amongst each other at times.

If he did have this much power, he would be able to prevent his most powerful cerebrates from sniping verbally at each other before it even started.

Originally posted by Burning thought
can you even imagine the amount of things the human brain, the size of a coconut/melon can do, millions of insructions it can carry out, thats what the Overmind is, a massive brain,

It still means nothing in terms of what it can control and how it can do it in the first place. Yet another moot point.

Originally posted by Burning thought
however the Overmind is enormous, looking at it nearly the size of a block of flats or small skyscraper and twice as wide, its a brain

Your poorest argument yet. Size of a brain means absolutely nothing to what it can or cannot do. The human brain is about the same size as a bear’s, but are bears smarter or can handle more than we are? No. What a silly point.

Originally posted by Burning thought
theres no evidence to prove there is a limit to the number of cerebrates it can control.

There’s my argument, Burning. Where’s yours? All you’ve done is attempt to use the same “there is no proof/evidence” rant over and over again as if it actually has some meaning. You’ve also poorly attempted to substitute a real argument by pure speculation. Do you call this debating?

Originally posted by Burning thought
but you brought up another point, why would he exaggerate? its not a human being, the overmind is an ancient entity who controls and wills, he wouldnt exaggerate

Does it make sense to you that the Zerg numbers are ‘innumerable’, that is, to say, ‘infinity’? Because that’s what innumerable means.
The answer is no, logically it makes no sense. There has to be a defined number of zerg even if it is big. It’s not literal, it’s a figure of speech.

Because it’s an ancient entity does not make it immune to personality traits like arrogance or egotism, as it is clearly shown here.

Originally posted by Burning thought
the Zerg swarms are innumerable without number simply because their constantly multiplying

Originally posted by Burning thought
which is why their such a great power in the starcraft universe

Originally posted by Burning thought
and how its going to be impossible for the flood to beat, their basically super flood, swarming in numbers

Killing isn’t a primal instinct for the Flood, they kill because they’re starving.
The Zerg kill just because they want to dominate. Which do you think is a stronger motive, ravenous hunger or subjective ambitions?

Please, stop overhyping your beloved Zerg, Burning.

What you’re basically doing is going on about this massive sermon about how the Zerg would defeat the Flood, on and on, that’s what you’ve been repeating constantly. You keep going on repetitively on about how the races in Starcraft are comparatively far superior to the ones in Halo without even bothering to offer precise explanations for many of them. Like I’ve repeated to you, learn to see past the veil that your sad little Korean fanboyness limits you to and learn to look outside the box.

Originally posted by Burning thought
only they are incredibly potent

They’re incredibly potent, but still not exactly immune to Flood infestation, are they? All the Flood has to do is pretty much drown them in a sea of infection forms, and for every Covenant minion lost means another combat form

Originally posted by Burning thought
unlike the flood which seem drunken and zombielike

However, the very fact that you refer to their movements as “drunken” and “zombielike” for which the corollary is “Slow and unsteady”, tells me that you don’t play Halo much, if at all. They jog, even charge or lunge at you sometimes and fire their weapon or take a swing with a tentacle or arm. Even the carrier forms set off at a somewhat brisk waddle.

Do your research. I already have.

Originally posted by Burning thought
easy level, no m8...even on legendary they cant take too much of a bashing compared to a Zerg hydralisk

A hydralisk dies, realistically, from a single sustained burst of Gauss rifle fire. I suggest you read the Queen of Blades novel by Keith Decandido. Raynor handily takes one down with a pistol.

Originally posted by Burning thought
are you completly ignorant to my posts or something?

I do not think you are in a position to even rhetorically ask this kind of question when:

1.) You took my posts out of context at times.
2.) You’re continuing to spout speculation and non-truth as though if it were fact
3.) You’re repeating your points without solid or believable evidence at times.
4.) You’re making shit up at times.

On the scale of hypocrisy, zero being not hypocritical and ten being very hypocritical, I’d rate you an extravagant 8.5.

Originally posted by Burning thought
ill lay it out for you, i was comparing the convenant and USCE with terrans for the purpose of showing terran weaponry is far superior and that the flood can get shot down by their weaponry quite easily

1.)Terran weaponry is better by a bit of a margin. Not far superior. The reason why I give the Terran marines the edge over the UNSC ODSTs is because primarily because of their armor. Don’t go running around squawking exaggerations left and right, because they’re just exaggerations.

2.)The Flood are shot down easier compared to some zerg forces, but it still means nothing. They’re shot down quite easily in the Halo games too but because of the sheer number of them that means very little. I personally harbor little doubt that an Infection form can punch through a Terran marine’s faceplate.

Originally posted by Burning thought
wheras the Zerg can survive a lot more punishment from the superior terran weapons

Originally posted by Burning thought
than the flood do to the inferior UNSC

If it’s hit with a single high velocity round, the sniper rifle, it doesn’t affect the Flood form at all. It just goes straight through the spongy tissue mass without causing any real or lasting damage. Why should a few supersonic spikes instantly take it down when a heavy sniper bullet does nothing to it? They’ll just bore straight through the body mass, they don’t even have that much surface area to gouge bigger holes.

Originally posted by Burning thought
even their Zerglings which come in vast numbers can survive a large volley of gauss rifle fire.

I’m assuming you’ve read Speed of Darkness by Tracy Hickman judging from what I’ve read below, so it beats me why you’re spewing nonsense about Zergling survivability. The rounds that were meant to kill took down the ‘lings in a few shots.

How else do you think a marine and a civvy in a bunker armed with Gauss rifles could hold an entire swarm of Zerglings at bay?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Also you obviously missed something, the Gauss rifle supersonic rounds are designed to maim Zerg,

You need to think this through here.

Missed it? What bullshit. I clearly said above:

The spikes fired from a gauss rifle are designed to maim, not kill.

Originally posted by Burning thought
and Terrans are trained to maim zerg

Get your facts straight.

Originally posted by Burning thought
because the Zerg are without number especially compared to the Terrans and they live by the rule a wounded creature can be more of a hinderence than a dead one to the zerg.

Originally posted by Burning thought
however you clearly dont understand that A: this is the sort of weapon scout forces and exploration groups use

All marine infantry in the game and according to the plot canon itself are armed with Gauss rifles.

Originally posted by Burning thought
also that a supersonic bolt from a guass rifle is likely to cause incredible damage, smashing through the skull or the body

Originally posted by Burning thought
yet Zergling survive several volleys showing great durability from the weakest zerg creature

It doesn’t even make sense, Ardo and Merdith were trying to hold back a wave of Zerglings from their particular bunker, and nowhere does it mention Zerglings being able to survive several volleys, let alone more than one or two bullets. If they did, the battle for Scenic would have been over a lot sooner.

The explosive-tipped bullets smashed open the carapace, blowing open the exit wound in a horrific, deadly display.

Originally posted by Burning thought
regardless of spines or nervous system...the little things wont bread into powerful Zerg armor

The “little things” can slice through Master Chief’s armor instantaneously without his shields being activated. Several layers of super-hardened refractive battle plate is on par with Zerg carapace, if not better. I say better.

Please do your research before spewing off falsities about things that you very obviously don’t understand accurately.

Originally posted by Burning thought
considering the elites weapon can even cause much damage at all

It was meant as a rhetorical question, Burning.

Originally posted by Burning thought
the zergling leaps great distances and great speed

The zergling has never been recorded to leap significant distances. You’re making things up again. They travel by hops, which are not particularly speedy relative to the rest of the Zerg units. An ultralisk realistically can move faster than a zergling.

Here, watch the opening Brood War video again. How is this “great speed” or “great distances” shown by the Zerglings? They're somewhat fast and they jump OK, but not to the point which you overhyped.
YouTube video
Quite ridiculous.

Originally posted by Burning thought
not to menstion if it reaches the elite, its a gonner

The zergling is stupid anyways, all the Elite has to do is dodge the initial charge and add to its impetus and overbalancing the ling. All the elite has to do is make sure it stays down and stab it a lot. The Zergling has to get through the shields first even if it gets up.

Originally posted by Burning thought
if it was a Hydralisk, your brute and hunters can run.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Not to menstion your point on the Warthogs gauss cannon is now invalid

That still doesn’t mean anything relatively. The gauss cannon fires a fist sized slug made of depleted uranium (which is a good few times heavier than lead) that needs two hits to finish an Elite. How is this less powerful than explosive tipped rounds?

Originally posted by Burning thought
due to the fact now you know terrans prepared to kill use explosive rounds,

Don’t forget that the gauss spikes that are fired are standard issue. That means a lot, Burning. They’re not up against a force that leave their wounded behind. They’re not up against a force where individual lives mean nothing.

Originally posted by Burning thought
the warhog shows no evidence of such lethal ammuntion.

So a fist sized depleted uranium slug shot at supersonic speed isn’t lethal?
So a rack of Argent V anti-vehicle missiles isn’t lethal?
So a 50mm chain-gun isn’t lethal?

Lethal is the ability to kill. And Warthog weapons are designed to kill and destroy. Gosh, in the game you kill numerous enemies with the Warthog, that alone should prove testament to the lethality of its weapons.

Really, your stupidity here amuses me. As is your view of what is considered “lethal” or not.

Originally posted by Burning thought
the flood wont necesserily get close at all....they wont because the Zerg dont need to drop ground troops

Originally posted by Burning thought
if the flood was actually any threat at all

Considering a Covenant ship master would rather order his fleet to kill two of his own ships that were somewhat close to ones that were known to be infected, and would readily self-destruct on even the slightest sign of a hull breach, I would say that yes, the Flood pose a rather significant threat.

Quotes taken from the books itself:
“If a single carrier form escaped, the entire Earth could fall.”
“Not even a single Flood cell could be allowed to escape.”
I’m not even overhyping here, I’m just providing quotes from the books.

If you acknowledge all this and still dismiss the Flood as no threat at all, then you’re an even bigger idiot than you’ve appeared so far. And you continue to wallow in idiocy even now.

Originally posted by Burning thought
the zerg mutalisks and guardians would destroy the flood from the air and range.

Yes, the Zerg pose a serious threat in the air to the Flood, but they can still be shot down by stolen weapons and vehicles. It’s still a stalemate here, it isn’t an all out “destroying”.

You overhype every three seconds, it seems.

Originally posted by Burning thought
[B]you still cannot possibly state that protoss are any weaker than covenants because their weapons are not stated in numbers, sizes or ranges from what ive read.

Yet its still proof as to the capabilities of the covenant and what kind of maddening things that there space technology are capable of pulling off. Have the protoss even produced normal yields such as that and have shown that they have ever been able to shoot as far as (at a minimum 300,000km) with normal ship weaponry? Bottom line it sets up the precedent that the Covenant have a crapload of superiority in space. Another thing to consider is, if numbers,sizes and ranges are for some miraculous and inane reason, not a means of showing how the covenant outmatch the protoss in space(or for that matter any race at all that would potentially go up against the Protoss) how would you go about saying that the Protoss are better if they dont have any numbers, ranges or firepower calcs to even back themselves up against the Covenant?

All we know is that they can vaporise a planets surface..

We also know that said weaponry was not something that was commonly found on every Protoss carrier either and that they were specialized weapons not used on other carriers.

besides none of the covenant ships will fire their guns at protoss ships..why?because Dark archons have control of the captains who are making them attack their own ships...

Have the Dark Archons ever shown the feat of being able to control ships from continental distances away?

anyway as Blaxian said, Zerg alone are such an enormous group that they would simply swallow the haloverse

A Dark Archon has to have a certain range within to be able to Mind Control, about the same range as a Ghost's Canister Rifle. It isn't even remotely close to be able to reach out and enslave a mind 300,000 kilometers away. And even if they did, they can only enslave one person at a time and it takes a long time for their energy to recharge. Even if they did mind control the Ship Master, there is the rest of the bridge crew that would be able to catch onto anything amiss, as is the presence of a Hunter pair on capital ships.

I think a salvo of plasma torpedoes from a Covenant cruiser would have about the same destructive capability as a blast from a Battlecruiser's Yamato cannon would. As far as I can tell, two or three Yamato blasts are sufficient to take down a carrier.

It takes two or three white hot ferric-tungsten shell several thousand tons heavy moving at a fraction of the speed of light to take down Covenant shields. They don't go down easy.

you correcting me? 🤣 all you seem to be doing is throwing out your own made up so called "facts" half the time and then saying ime doing it then crying about it and trying to insult me as well as trying to elevate yourself, the sort of tactic used by people actually trying to convince themselves of their own foolish ideas....if ime an 8.5 hypocrite you must be the 10.0...your not realising that A: books of games are not 100% canon when it comes to damage, its made to sound fast and exciting in books instead of figuires and real durabilities..proof? because use your common sense, the popgun pistol Raynor uses is used by all terran forces, if it could kill a hydralisk with one shot..wouldnt they all use it? also taking into terms other equipment the terran issue armour is immune to small arms fire like that which is from pistols, so your actually trying to state that a hydralisks armored shell is weaker than that of terran marine armor? honestly...the hydralisks are the main warrior strain as well as often being comapred to light vehicles in strength.

as i said before...l2play the game and l2 debate is a new one, in the game thers a pretty videoclip...for the NEW overmind in broodwar that states that Zerg casualties were in the millions, the UED only fought to capture this new overmind and they succeeded, showing there were millions just protecting the new overmind. Also yes they DO grossly overmatch the Terrans and protoss which is why at the end of Broodwar all of the races are smashed wrecks apart from the Zerg as victors. You seem to be sperting nonsense constantly, calling my ideas and opinions nonsense then coming up with nonsense yourself... 🙄

about the zergling again, it can leap, when its normally moving on its little legs it hops yes, but when it attacks it can go a good few metres..read the beloved book that you take as 100% fact if you dont belive me, when Ardo gets attacked in the tunnel, it doesnt just hop, its a good several yards away and leaps when it gets within a good few metres and the elite isnt much bigger than a zergling, l2 scale things, the Zergling can cover most of the front of a terran space mairne and their almost 9 feet tall in their armor, the Zergling in one jump would pin the Elite down and then slice its head off shields and all. Elites jump into grenades and you think Zerglings are stupid? "sigh" so i guess where you come from jumping on grenades is a sign of intellect, i see...

also onto your foolish point on the warthog, time for some correcting, okie true, lets sum some thngs up for you if your incapable...warthog depleted uranium rounds kill stuff extremely quickly in the haloverse wheras the standard issue weapon that fires the same stuff the Warthog fires is in the hands of every terran space marine....only theirs is explosive yet the zerg can still rattle them....your obviously not adding 2 and 2 together which isnt a difficult sum but ill help you anyway. One warhog can mow down several elites with ease yet the exact same weapon only explosive tipped takes longer to take down a Zergling and certainly takes a good amount of time to take down a Hydralisk which easily shows elite<zergling and Hydralsk>>>Elite.

anyway in the end as i stated before..the low calibre assault rifles combiend with the inaccuracy of the floods drunken like state means that half the bullets will miss any zerg flyers as well as the zerg being able to launch their acids a great distance through guardians youll have a lot of distigrated flood in pools of acid before they can bring down more than a couple zerg, even if they are equiped with rocket launchers but considering their drunken state and the missles lack of accuracy already then they wont be much of a threat either will they...the flood will be annhilated if they attack the zerg. touger armour, long range powerful bio weaponry, not to menstion a defiler could protect the entire zerg group from any enemy weapons with dark swarm and use plague to dissolve the flood from a distance.

Originally posted by Burning thought
you correcting me? \

Originally posted by Burning thought
🤣 all you seem to be doing is throwing out your own made up so called "facts" half the time and then saying ime doing it

There are a few things that are cold, plain, fact here, Burning. And that is: You have been proven to have making things up, such as the population of zerg, the power of a Gauss rifle, the training of the marines, those are things that aren’t even true, yet you’re pretending to do so. I’ve explained why they were wrong, you haven’t.

Originally posted by Burning thought
then crying about it and trying to insult me as well as trying to elevate yourself, the sort of tactic used by people actually trying to convince themselves of their own foolish ideas

See, the thing about what you’re doing right now is that you’re attempting to throw the hammer back at me without any real proof or evidence and that’s not exactly effective other than an amusing read or the sake of replying, is it? I’ve had the Starcraft books on a shelf for some time now as well as having the game on my computer when I feel that I need to check a reference, such as what you claim they say in scripted speech. Which both, by the way as I have shown, have been wrong. Give me some proof and evidence, Burning, instead of tossing random overhyped untruths left, right, and center like a foolish child aiming crabapples at the neighbor’s housecat.

Originally posted by Burning thought
....if ime an 8.5 hypocrite you must be the 10.0...

Originally posted by Burning thought
your not realising that A: books of games are not 100% canon when it comes to damage

I mean, a zergling surviving a shot from a normal siege tank? Give me a break. Those things are about 3’5 and are more scrawny than bulky. And a Dark Archon using the same amount of energy and time to Mind Control a single marine and an entire crew of a Battlecruiser? Simply ridiculous.

The purpose of the books is to even things out in terms of realisticness. The Zerg are much more numerous yet half the durability, but the same amount of individual intelligence. The Protoss and Terran numbers do not even come close to that of the Zerg’s even put together, but they’re slightly more durable and capable in the books.

Originally posted by Burning thought
its made to sound fast and exciting in books instead of figuires and real durabilities..

Some elements still are rather realistic, like Ardo expending an entire clip of ammunition to take down a single zergling and having to reload. The marines in the games never run out of ammo, the firebats never out of plasma, etc. In the games it is balanced, in the books it isn’t. The Zerg numbers are made to look like a tidal wave of enemies. And repeatedly too.

Originally posted by Burning thought
proof? because use your common sense, the popgun pistol Raynor uses is used by all terran forces, if it could kill a hydralisk with one shot..wouldnt they all use it?

The marines probably do use it as a sidearm, as seen in the Battle of Amerigo cinematic sequence, but it didn’t exactly do much as the guy was waving it side to side towards the hydra’s main body instead of pointing it up at the thing’s face.

Originally posted by Burning thought
also taking into terms other equipment the terran issue armour is immune to small arms fire like that which is from pistols. so your actually trying to state that a hydralisks armored shell is weaker than that of terran marine armor?

Because a single headshot from a pistol wielded by Raynor downs a hydralisk does not translate to marines having worse armor than hydralisks, where on Earth is your ridiculous reasoning coming from? They probably do anyways. Raynor took down two troopers with single shots, to the head of one dude and one to the chest of another, both were wearing Confederacy issue CMC powered suits.

How much damage bullets to is completely dependant on where they hit in the first place, you realize? When I say “down with a single shot”, you stupidly assume it’s to a non-vital body part for some reason. Think about it, Burning. In the universality of the shooting game world, a headshot is the most damage.

Originally posted by Burning thought
as i said before...l2play the game and l2 debate is a new one, in the game thers a pretty videoclip..for the NEW overmind in broodwar that states that Zerg casualties were in the millions, the UED only fought to capture this new overmind and they succeeded, showing there were millions just protecting the new overmind.

They were after the Psi Disrupter mainly, were they not? They weren’t fighting to get to the Overmind itself. Of course there would be millions of zerg scattered here and hitherto. They had to travel to different worlds to do that, and to get the information for it as well in other installations. Obviously the Zerg had taken over many worlds and would be festering on each.

And here’s the thing, you said you estimated zerg numbers to be in the trillions. This doesn’t prove anything other than the fact that the numbers the UED took down were in the millions. Give me something that’s fact, not a half-baked speculation.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Also yes they [B]DO grossly overmatch the Terrans and protoss which is why at the end of Broodwar all of the races are smashed wrecks apart from the Zerg as victors.[/b]

The thing about the “Omega” mission; being the last mission in the game, it was the player who had to beat the computer, that’s what I see it as. If it was a side spin-off that you couldn’t control in-game, I would agree with you, but this is a mission where you had to beat all three to beat the game. It doesn’t mean anything in terms of superiority according to the storyline.

Originally posted by Burning thought
You seem to be sperting nonsense constantly, calling my ideas and opinions nonsense then coming up with nonsense yourself... 🙄

The thing about this is, Burning, you’re not even backing your ridiculous statements up. They’re completely moot because of that.
Telling me to learn to debate, haha.

Originally posted by Burning thought
when Ardo gets attacked in the tunnel, it doesnt just hop, its a good several yards away and leaps when it gets within a good few metres and the elite isnt much bigger than a zergling

Originally posted by Originally posted by Burning thought
l2 scale things, the Zergling can cover most of the front of a terran space mairne

Slowly, the face of the Zergling slid down the faceplate, its torso bumping against Ardo’s arms/

Seriously, know what the hell you’re talking about here.

Originally posted by Burning thought
the Zergling in one jump would pin the Elite down and then slice its head off shields and all.

Fact: The Zerglings have not been shown to demonstrate great feats of strength relative to Master Chief’s.
Corollary: The Zergling, while strong, cannot be as strong as the Master Chief.

Statement: The Zergling, while strong, cannot be as strong as an Elite.
Conclusion: The Zergling will lose in a strength fight against the Elite.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Elites jump into grenades and you think Zerglings are stupid?

The Official Xbox Magazine guide to Halo 2 even makes fun of this particular quirky game mechanic:

“Plasma grenades must really hurt, otherwise why would Covenant dive off of high bridges to avoid them?”
-Francesca Reyes

And yes, I still think Zerglings are stupid.

Originally posted by Buring thought
"sigh" so i guess where you come from jumping on grenades is a sign of intellect, i see...

Originally posted by Burning thought
also onto your foolish point on the warthog, time for some correcting, okie true, lets sum some thngs up for you if your incapable...

See below.

Originally posted by Burning thought
warthog depleted uranium rounds kill stuff extremely quickly in the haloverse wheras the standard issue weapon that fires the same stuff the Warthog fires is in the hands of every terran space marine....only theirs is explosive yet the zerg can still rattle them...your obviously not adding 2 and 2 together which isnt a difficult sum but ill help you anyway. One warhog can mow down several elites with ease yet the exact same weapon only explosive tipped

Fact: The Warthog-mounted Gauss cannon is so big that it rests on the back of a vehicle rather than being carried around.
Fact: The standard issue confederacy rifle can be carried by an unarmored human.
Statement: The Warthog-mounted Gauss cannon in Halo is a lot bigger and more heavy duty.

Conclusion: The warthog-mounted gauss cannon is more powerful than a gauss rifle.

Fact: Burning thought failed to acknowledge DarkC’s explaining of the different kinds of ammo used in either gun earlier.
Fact: Burning thought is still under the impression that the same “stuff” is fired out of a vehicle mounted turret that the rifle uses.
Fact: Burning thought failed to acknowledge the fact that the explosive tipped round caused incredible damage to the Zerg and is still under the impression that the Zerg can still “rattle” them.
Fact: Burning thought failed to acknowledge the impossibility of two humans in a bunker armed with gauss rifles and upgraded ammo temporarily holding an entire wave of Zerglings at bay unless the ammo could kill in one or two shots.

Statement: Burning thought is ignorant.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Hydralsk>>>Elite.

You amuse me sometimes.

Originally posted by Burning thought
anyway in the end as i stated before..the low calibre assault rifles combiend with the inaccuracy of the floods drunken like state means that half the bullets will miss any zerg flyers

See, the thing about the Flood is that they’re so many they don’t even have to aim. All they really need to do is fill the space with tracking needle shards, plasma, rockets, and bullets. Many will die, but many more will take their place.

Originally posted by Burning thought
as well as the zerg being able to launch their acids a great distance through guardians youll have a lot of distigrated flood in pools of acid

Statement: Rockets are able to track targets.
Statement: Burning thought failed to acknowledge this fact.
Statement: Burning thought is extremely ignorant of the Haloverse.

That’s really, all I need to say.

Originally posted by Burning thought
before they can bring down more than a couple zerg

Yet now, you still have the balls to overhype Starcraft.
It’s rather pathetic, don’t you know.

Originally posted by Burning thought
even if they are equiped with rocket launchers but considering their drunken state and the missles lack of accuracy already then they wont be much of a threat either will they...

You really, really don’t stop overhyping and downplaying, do you?

Originally posted by Burning thought
the flood will be annhilated if they attack the zerg.

Let’s be reasonable here, you silly little fanboy.

Originally posted by Burning thought
touger armour, long range powerful bio weaponry

That’s two factors, neither of which really matter towards the Flood.

Originally posted by Burning thought
not to menstion a defiler could protect the entire zerg group from any enemy weapons with dark swarm

Ground units within the cloud cannot be hit by ranged attacks from either ground or air, however this will not stop melee attacks or splash damage from affecting the units inside the Dark Swarm. Note that while ranged attacks will not affect units within the cloud, ranged attacks from units inside the cloud can still hit units outside of the cloud.

As well hidden as the air units are within the swarm, it can only go over a certain distance (a 6x6 matrix in the game) and it does not make them realistically immune to attacks made in such quantity and in a fashion where there is virtually no dodging space anyways.

Originally posted by Burning thought
and use plague to dissolve the flood from a distance.

And if they manage to take control of the Defiler, well, you probably can guess what happens next.

the flood still loses, first just because the Defiler is a ground unit in-game doesnt mean it dies when it gets picked up by an air unit does it, when an overlord picks it up theres no reason why with game mechanics and realism added that the thing cannot fire from the air..

as i said before, all it has to do is fire a dark swarm across a group of guardians and mutalisks who are vapourising the drunken flood lunatics in the process with acids and they wont be able to damage the flyers or the defilers which there could be hundreds of inside many zerg flight creatures.

in the end the flood all die off because A: their incapable of infesting or capturing anything and B; they cannot damage the protected zerg flyers....

FACT: the zerg are superior due to protection from anything the flood can do coupled with devestation of the flood from range who have no protection
Conlcusion: this argument over ground weapons is all for nothing considering the zerg can annhilate the flood from range with impunity

your also forgetting the speed mutalisks can move and fire at the same time, several strafing and the flood will eventually get slaughtered by thousands not to menstion the not so intelligent flood would probably end up blowing up half their own forces with control of vehichles and missle launchers while trying to hit them also Guardians can move through atmosphere and space meaning they could simply just sit out of range of any weaponry and launch their globs of acid from far into the sky