Starcraft vs. Halo

Started by DarkC9 pages

Originally posted by Burning thought
the flood still loses

Um, no they don’t. A useless attempt to sway the tables.
Originally posted by Burning thought
first just because the Defiler is a ground unit in-game doesnt mean it dies when it gets picked up by an air unit does it

Oh, you mean an overlord drop?

Have you seen how slow they are, even with their speed upgrade from the Lair? They’re not much faster than a Guardian. They’re crawl slow without the upgrade but we’ll simply assume they have that particular ability at the moment. Even if an Overlord swooped low with some air cover and a Dark Storm to pick the Defiler up, it would still have to be on the ground, which gives the Flood enough time to rush the Defiler and get undercover into the Dark Swarm, forcing a stalemate.

Remember, the Defiler’s Plague doesn’t exactly have an incredible range on which they can use it.

Even if the Flood were not quite close enough to make a charge for it, all they’d have to do is fill the dark swarmed space with plasma blasts, bullets, needle shards, and rockets. That’s simple, no real accuracy needed. The Dark swarm only ideologically affects accuracy, as said in the manuals and on Blizzard’s official site.

Originally posted by Burning thought
when an overlord picks it up theres no reason why with game mechanics and realism added that the thing cannot fire from the air

What, you mean using is abilities in the air while inside an overlord? Does that make sense to you? When it’s inside the overlord sac, it’s completely enveloped. Releasing its dark swarm inside the thing would only give the overlord terrible itchiness, and doing the plague inside will only pretty much kill it, anything else nestled in the overlord’s sacs, and the overlord itself. It can probably eat anything else in the overlord’s interior, but that’s it.

Think about what you are bloody suggesting in terms of realism before you actually say it. As shown here, any attempt to use harmful abilities inside the overlord’s ventral sac will result in calamity.

Originally posted by Burning thought
as i said before, all it has to do is fire a dark swarm across a group of guardians and mutalisks

You’ve already said that. And I’ve provided an answer for it. What you’re continuing to do at the moment is to simply repeat your arguments over and over, repetitively until they become near cliché. Repeating it over and over will not make it any more fact, because I’ve shown you where your reasoning is wrong already.

And instead of developing further on my explanations you simply and idiotically revert back to your original points. See how stupid the fact that you were telling me earlier that I need to learn to debate is? See?

Originally posted by Burning thought
who are vapourising the drunken flood lunatics in the process with acids

Yet another pathetic, biased comment. Only this time, you overhyped and downplayed in the same time! Oh dear!

I can accept the fact that the Flood can be taken down by the masses but return in greater numbers. Why can’t you accept that the Zerg can be shot down in large numbers? It is entirely possible and likely that it will happen in a prolonged surface to air fight.

Oh right, you’re a zealous fanboy who can’t see past his figurative nose.

Originally posted by Burning thought
and they wont be able to damage the flyers

Considering that these mentioned flyers are flying through a hailstorm of incoming enemy fire, I would say that yes, it is entirely likely that they would be injured by them many severely.

Your zerg aren’t invincible to the flood, Burning. Not even remotely close. Learn to think outside the box.

Originally posted by Burning thought
or the defilers which there could be hundreds of inside many zerg flight creatures.

And these Defilers, as mentioned above, cannot use their abilities other than eating other zerg inside of the Overlord’s ventral sacs, otherwise they would truly screw themselves over.

Doing so would be suicide in a way.

Originally posted by Burning thought
in the end the flood all die off

Dear, dear….your fanboyism, I see, does not make you immune to such things as taking it to extreme, radical lengths as to describe your race’s alleged victory.

Try not to be so zealous

Originally posted by Burning thought
because A: their incapable of infesting or capturing anything

A fleet of dropships loaded with carrier forms, maybe? Hello? And just for your information, since you are so clearly misinformed on the Haloverse, the Flood don’t starve to death even after some ten thousand years or so of being locked up.

Learn to look at things from a broader perspective of view.
You’re assuming that all the Zerg do is stay in the air, which is an extremely stupid assumption. The overlord stays on the ground and so do the defenders surrounding it.

If the dropships fly above the zerg and dive straight down, dropping its carriers in the process, not only will the Zerg suffer terribly from collateral damage attempting to take the dropships out, there will soon be thousands of infection forms flying around. Carrier forms die anyway.

And let’s not forget that the Flood can drive ships and single-man fighters too, not to mention other vehicles with anti-air capabilities. Oh, and Scarabs too. You’re currently under the blind mantra of “I’m in the air nothing can touch me”, which of course is false. They’re not untouchable, not by a long shot.

Originally posted by Burning thought
they cannot damage the protected zerg flyers....

Seriously, enough of this useless overhyping of your precious zerg. They’re powerful, yes, but they’re not invincible. This isn’t as easy as typing ‘power overwhelming’ in the messages field.

God, the fanboys in this forum….

Originally posted by Burning thought
FACT: the zerg are superior due to protection from anything the flood can do coupled with devestation of the flood from range who have no protection
Conlcusion: this argument over ground weapons is all for nothing considering the zerg can annhilate the flood from range with impunity

That’s not a fact, boy, that’s a statement.
*scornful laughter*
You need to learn proper tags and structuring.
Monkey see, monkey do. Perpetually amusing.

Statement: The Zerg are strong, but not invincible from the air.

Fact: Mutalisks and other air minions employ similar strategies against their quarries the Protoss and Terran.
Fact: Mutalisks and other air minions are taken down without severe difficulty by the likes of ground troops with anti-air capability, such as Marines, Goliaths, Dragoons, or other hydralisks.

Corollary: It is possible for ground troops armed with anti air capability to take down Zerg air based minions
Correlation: Flood also have anti-air capabilities, some of which are similar to those of which were used in Starcraft.

Conclusion: It is possible for Flood, armed with anti-air capability, to take down air-based minions of the Zerg without severe difficulty.
Conclusion: The Zerg cannot “annihilate” the Flood from range with impunity, since the Flood have the capacity to fight back.

Fact: Zerg have been shown to use the same units and tactics throughout the games of Starcraft and Brood War and in outside media as well.
Fact: The Terran and Protoss are on par with the Zerg.
Fact: The Zerg have no real binding protection making them ideologically invincible against the anti-air capabilities of either the Terran or the Zerg.
Correlation: The Flood, armed with stolen weapons, vehicles, and intelligence, employ similar anti-air methods.

Conclusion: The Zerg also have no real binding protection making the ideologically invincible against the anti-air capabilities of the Flood.

Originally posted by Burning thought
your also forgetting the speed mutalisks can move and fire at the same time

Yes, but as speedy as they are, they’re not fast enough to avoid heat-seeking missiles. Realistically it takes one rocket to take them down, as depicted in the Speed of Darkness novel. Assuming otherwise is incredibly short sighted.

Speed doesn’t exactly help when there’s no real room to dodge, is there? All the Flood have to do is make them run though a meat-grinder of bullets and plasma and there’s enough of them to do it.

Originally posted by Burning thought
not to menstion the not so intelligent flood would probably end up blowing up half their own forces with control of vehichles and missle launchers while trying to hit them

I severely doubt you have even played Halo 2 extensively, let alone the entire campaign. Please know what you are talking about before spewing bullshit about things you have no idea of.
I do. You don’t.

The Flood, while inherently sub-intelligent, absorb thoughts, memories, and capabilities from their hosts, who, most of the time, happen to be intelligent. Even if the intelligence is stolen, it sure as hell doesn’t make them stupid. They can work weapons, reload, drive, etc. They even have forms that are intelligent enough to work starships, called Brain Forms.

For your information, the Flood are not as smooth drivers or operators of ordnance or arms as their original owners were intended, but they are ruthlessly effective anyways. It takes little skill to spray a targeted area with heavy duty rounds as it is. On the Quarantine Zone level of Halo 2, the Flood are surprisingly effective with Rocket Launchers at stopping you when you’re in a tank, and are incredibly frustrating once they have control of a tank themselves.

Play the game on Heroic, not nearly so easy now, hmm?

Originally posted by Burning thought
also Guardians can move through atmosphere and space meaning they could simply just sit out of range of any weaponry and launch their globs of acid from far into the sky

Indubitably stupid reasoning, through and through.

By the time the acid made it down to the surface, it would be insubstantial mist scattered across the sky from the atmospheric re-entry and deceleration. Because the users can survive handily the effects of atmospheric entry does not mean that their weapons do. Gobs of mucous acid, as destructive as they are, cannot possibly remain intact from the savage forces of planetary and Newtonian physics.

The only weapon to my knowledge in the Starcraft world that can survive such a method of entry is a Terran nuke, and they have superhardened cases, both to protect the payload and to boost its power.

you have no proof and so your case is moot, their acid globs cannot possibly? how would you know, do you know the exact acid their made form and their density? its not happened before so you dont know, all we know is they they can glob their acid from the skies and thats a fact and thats not even the point although globing from space could be beneficial the guardians can still stay beneath the atmosphere and glob acid, the acid would survive to hit the survace and destory your prescious flood, now think of hundreds of these things doing that

the zerg wont even have to get near or in range of any flood weapons...and even worst is your foolish act of cutting up my sentances to further help any foolish opinion and factless nonsense you come up with for example you quote "wont be able to damage the flyers" on its own making it sound like ime saying their invincible which ime not, not on their own but inside the dark swarm they would be. Also your wrong about dark swarm, the swarm is an swarm of parasetic creatures that negate ALL incoming projectiles and enemy fire yet allow the zerg to fire out of it....so l2 read the manuel it doesnt negate accuracy it dissolves projectiles, if it was to do with accuracy then units would have a chance of taking damage not to menstion it would be more beneficial probably putting it over enemies if this were the case however it is not.

also about overlord dropping what makes you think the defiler cannot be dropped quickly, cast its swarm or plague then get back inside the transport, your looking at it from the simple minded view of gameplay however the dark swarm would cover and protect zerg flyers its not going to protect the flood on the ground is it 🙄

anyway whats this to do with the topic, the terrans would just nuke the flood into nothingness from space while the zerg and protoss destroy the other races and thats considering the flood is actually in the topic which they are not, yet they would be elimiated...as i said before they would not be able to infest nothingness to grow in numbers if their being nuked through the atmosphere..

Originally posted by Burning thought
you have no proof and so your case is moot, their acid globs cannot possibly? how would you know, do you know the exact acid their made form and their density?

What proof, Burning? This is Newtonian physics I’m talking about here, things that have already been proven years or centuries ago, even. Saying that I have no proof when a gob of acid cannot make it to the surface is a remarkably pathetic attempt, which failed, by the way, to negate my point. Saying that I’m wrong here is contradicting Newtonian physics as we know it, something incredibly stupid to do.

I say it because of the fact that the acid remains in a semi solid state. If a solid, heavy rock cannot make it to a planetary surface with Earth-like atmospheric properties without fragmenting, what the hell do you think a gob of semisolid acid stands? You’re not only lamely attempting to refute my point by putting Newtonian laws down, you’re also making an extremely poor argument from ignorance. The “it hasn’t been proven” rant, so to speak.

Saying that it hasn’t been proven doesn’t even come close to cutting it, Burning. I have Newtonian laws on my side. You? Oh, right…ignorance! You need to tone it down a little, boy.

Originally posted by Burning thought
its not happened before so you dont know,

No, they cannot use it realistically in a space to surface lob. The acid is acid, it isn’t superhardened, reinforced steel. It explodes upon impact, that fact along is enough to say that it should, under the laws of physics as we know it, fragment.

Saying that it would be able to survive planetary insertion intact and even land accurately is proof that you’re completely devoid of anything even remotely resembling proper reason.

Get. Real.

Originally posted by Burning thought
all we know is they they can glob their acid from the skies and thats a fact

Yes, that still doesn’t mean that they can do something as incredible as being able to lob their acid through space into a planet.

That kind of suggestion is overhyping your Zerg to the point where “overhyping” is far too weak a word.

Originally posted by Burning thought
and thats not even the point although globing from space could be beneficial the guardians can still stay beneath the atmosphere and glob acid, the acid would survive to hit the survace and destory your prescious flood, now think of hundreds of these things doing that

I never negated the Guardians capability to destroy, Burning, only your stupid suggestion and reasoning that they have it in them to somehow produce a gob of acid so dense that it somehow remains slightly fluid that not only is incredibly destructive, but can survive atmospheric entry as well, without overexerting themselves and dying of exhaustion. Do you have any idea what kind of metabolism an action of that magnitude that takes? No, you don’t, so you stupidly suggest that they can.

Imagine one Combat Form. Imagine hundreds of thousands of Combat Forms. And every single one of them holding guns. Carbines, Needlers, Plasma and Assault rifles, rocket launchers, etc, etc. Several hundred thousand guns pointing into the air at the same time and the triggers are pulled.

It’d be like watching a hailstorm in reverse, only replace the rain with tracer bullets and other nasty projectiles aimed upwards. Many Flood will die, but so will many Guardians too in the process.

Originally posted by Burning thought
the zerg wont even have to get near or in range of any flood weapons

Oh, sinking into denial now, are we?

Haven’t I just proved that these kind of tactics can be countered by ground troops in StarCraft, whose weapons are similar in make and operation to the ones used by the Flood? Haven’t I just shown you that the Zerg must move into weapons range in order to fire themselves? Trust me, the Guardian’s range, while long, cannot be longer than that of a self-guided anti-vehicle rocket or a sniper’s bullet. Or a blast for a Scarab. Don’t be so stupid or blind as to think that the Guardian outstrips every weapon ever mentioned in Halo in terms of both range and power.

You’ve already overhyped to the point where your Zerg to you are seemingly invulnerable and omnipotent at the same time. They aren’t. This is what happens when I start debates with fanboys, they’re completely unreasonable and cannot debate to save their lives.

Originally posted by Burning thought
and even worst is your foolish act of cutting up my sentances to further help any foolish opinion

I like how I post, thanks. And this is how I usually do it.

Don’t try and tell me that my way of replying is stupid, because it won’t do anything. You have absolutely no authority over the format in which I post. Why bother telling me it ‘s stupid? I don’t slam you because of your sentence structuring or how you decide to put everything into one post.

I cut up your sentences because I can, and it helps other debators to see my points according to each and every thing I’ve addressed. So what if they’re broken up? It makes it easier for other people to see the issue that is being addressed rather than perusing it all over the place. Understand? Good. Telling people that you don’t like the manner in which they post is one of the worst debating tactics ever. See the ‘Idiotic Debating Tactics’ thread in the General Discussion Forum for references.

Originally posted by Burning thought
and factless nonsense you come up with for example you quote "wont be able to damage the flyers" on its own

Factless nonsense? Every piece of support or evidence that I provide has some factual element to it. Have you proven otherwise? No. All you do is sit there and whine about how it “hasn’t been proven” or continue to repeat yourself after I’ve already explained the point, rather than expanding on these said points. Poor excuse for debating. You’re still doing it even now after I attempted repeatedly to bring you to your senses, which in itself is tantamount to the insane level of ignorance I’ve already proven that exists in you.
Originally posted by Burning thought
making it sound like ime saying their invincible which ime not, not on their own but inside the dark swarm they would be.

Oh dear, are we still taking offense on the matter of which I post? They’re realistically not invincible at all regardless of the Dark Swarm ability. The game mechanic ability allows invulnerability, but let’s face it, things aren’t exactly 100% realistic in the games, are they? No.

For example: You can still fire upon your enemies in the Dark Swarm even though your vision is obscured by million of swarming insects that are supposed to protect you. This doesn’t make sense. How the hell, when surrounded by a cloud of noisy, vision-obscuring insects.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Also your wrong about dark swarm, the swarm is an swarm of parasetic creatures that negate [B]ALL incoming projectiles and enemy fire yet allow the zerg to fire out of it.... [/b]

No. Wrong. Nothing in the manual or technicalities on Blizzard’s say anything about the cloud of insects being used ideologically as an invulnerable, impenetrable one way shield. That’s just folly. Insects aren’t invulnerable by a long shot.

The whole ideological purpose of the Dark Storm is to obscure enemy accuracy, which is the whole idea behind the whole ‘invulnerability’ game mechanic in the first place.

Originally posted by Burning thought
so l2 read the manuel it doesnt negate accuracy it dissolves projectiles

Wrong, again. You’re still continuing to make bullshit up and have little idea of what you’re talking about. I’ve proven that I know the Starcraft universe as well as you do – better, in fact. Whose eyes do you think you’re trying to pull the wool over, Burning? Seriously. No credibility whatsoever. Nothing about dissolving projectiles whatsoever.

Dissolves antimatter projectiles from a Dragoon, yeah right.

Starcraft Manual Description

The body of a Defiler is covered with a countless number of smaller creatures that feed off each other. By spontaneously launching a number of these creatures into the fray, the Defiler can create a thick cloud of living insects to distract the Swarm's enemies and provide cover for other Breeds.

Blizzard Site Description (Battle.net)
Dark Swarm is created from a countless number of smaller creatures that typically cover the Defiler. The Defiler has the natural ability to launch these creatures to a projected position, creating a thick cloud of living insects that prevent any units outside from accurately targeting any units within the cloud.

You keep lying, which is the absolute and filthiest debate tactic known to me. This is what I talk about when I say you can’t debate to save your life, you have to resort to fabrications and bullshit to attempt to give yourself an advantage.

Originally posted by Burning thought
if it was to do with accuracy then units would have a chance of taking damage not to menstion it would be more beneficial probably putting it over enemies if this were the case however it is not.

If’s, they’re just if’s, Burning. Blizzard clearly has stated that it is indeed a terms of accuracy. Who the hell are you to tell them what to do with their Starcraft specifications or background? Are you Chris Metzen? No, you aren’t. The proven fact remains is that it is intended, ideologically, to obscure accuracy from enemies. Which still can be negated by a huge tidal wave of weapons fire.
Originally posted by Burning thought
also about overlord dropping what makes you think the defiler cannot be dropped quickly

What makes I think? Because despite their “speed” upgrade they’re not nearly the speed of Mutalisks, Scourge, or Devourers. They’re not much faster than Guardians. Look at how fast Guardians move in the last Zerg cinematic in the original Starcraft game if you want evidence.
YouTube video
0:44 around. That right there is undeniably a Guardian and it is moving fairly slow, as you can see. Even in the opening swarm where an interceptor flies brokenly past the screen they’re not moving notably fast.

The overlord would have to possess a speed akin to a scourge if it was to make a drop of the speed at which you are referring to, without getting killed itself or the defiler.

Originally posted by Burning thought
cast its swarm or plague then get back inside the transport

And I have already addressed that particular scenario in my previous post.

Thanks for failing to keep up, yet again.

Originally posted by Burning thought
your looking at it from the simple minded view of gameplay however the dark swarm would cover and protect zerg flyers its not going to protect the flood on the ground is it 🙄

Incredibly ironic, being told that I am looking at this particular set of circumstances by someone who believes that a swarm of insects can make a strike force of Zerg completely invulnerable due to what he observes in the game mechanics…oh dear!

The Dark Swarm, according to Blizzard, simply makes sight and accuracy a non-factor. It doesn’t make them invulnerable.

Originally posted by Burning thought
anyway whats this to do with the topic, the terrans would just nuke the flood into nothingness from space

When Blaxican already explicitly said that no worlds could be effectively “cleansed” from orbit with planetary killing bombs. Sure. Whatever.

The Halo world would take this no questions asked, the UNSC develops a garage-size bomb that can quite literally crack an Earth-sized planet in half. And they can be mass produced.

Originally posted by Burning thought
while the zerg and protoss destroy the other races

Yet another pathetic example of dismissive overhyping, so predictable…
Originally posted by Burning thought
and thats considering the flood is actually in the topic which they are not

Yes, Blaxican pointed that out earlier, yet I still asked why they weren’t, then you jump in and say that the Zerg would effectively wipe the floor with the Flood. Something with that kind of fanboyish pride to it.
Originally posted by Burning thought
yet they would be elimiated...as i said before they would not be able to infest nothingness to grow in numbers if their being nuked through the atmosphere..

You seem to be forgetting Cortana and 343 Guilty Spark, who revealed that the only real way to kill the Flood off was to starve them to death, as they breed out of control when they have prey to snack on.

I could use your same reasoning, that does not hold, to say that the UNSC launches nukes from Slipspace or sends a Nova bomb (which doesn’t exactly look like a bomb at all) to the Terrans for study and set the internal detonation timers for five days. I could essentially claim a victory right now as the Haloverse has shown extensive blowing-worlds-up kind of power similar and in more quantity than the Protoss Motherships or Terrans’ Apocalypse nukes.

I'd like to correct myself on my earlier statement due to a friends point of view that makes a lot of sense actually....
If the Zerg and the Flood were to fight the Zerg would win, no matter how many guns and stolen equipment the Flood did have they would still die off eventually.

This is because the flood tap into the spinal system to infect someone,
They so far have only tapped into Humanoid spinal systems. (notice how all the flood are humanoid except for the small ones)
The Zerg however, not being humanoid, have a more complex system, and most of them have exoskeletons, not spines.
This would confuse the Flood and they would be ripped apart by another zerg in their dilemma.
Because of this fact it would make it impossible for the flood to infect the Zerg, and seeing how thats they way they win most of their battles, the flood would lose.

Haven't you been reading what I've been saying?

The flood feed on any hosts that contain copious amounts of calcium compounds housed inside their bodies. Considering that the Zerg depend on the vaunted 'mineral' deposits found so often in the games, they should be a feast in the Flood's eyes, considering their claws, teeth, etc.

The Flood don't need spines inside their hosts to be able to tap and control them. They need only a focal point inside the Zerg's nervous system. Spines mean little, because that's only one bodily structure that houses a vital component of a biped's nervous system.

Cortana: "Human, Covenant, whatever. You're all equally edible."

This is completely Irrelevent to the debate...

I have a question for you DarkC, and I'm not just taking personal shots here....

Do you have a GF? cuz I know a lot about gaming in my small geekish life but I don't quite know as much as you do, and even if I did I would never use it to debate like this daily....
Clearly you have way too much time on your hands and you need to do something constructive with it rather than fued with others online about which team is better.
This goes for you other guys aswell.

Hell the only reason I'm doing this so much is cuz I'm bored and my GF is in Newfoundland visiting family, and I'm still not doing it as much as you...

anyway I'm bored taking part in this debate, but I will stop by every now and then to see how it turns out...

Peace

Yes. See my signature?

And I've taken her out in real life too several times even though I met her on here. She can beat me in Halo and in World of Warcraft duels, which tends to make me think that she's a keeper. 😛

And she is on vacation too in New Brunswick.
But I'll decide what I like to do with my time, thanks.

Wow. Your lucky 😬

Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
Wow. Your lucky 😬

Yeah I know, eh?

My friend beats everyone while playing Halo 2 split screen, I like to bring him down to Earth every now and then by reminding him that he lost to Sarah on Lockout Slayer 25-17.

Ambience is le sex.

the guardians Acid is like a glob, it would easily be able to descend from the sky, i admit not through atmosphere but below the skyline which would be far out of range for any of the flood to hit, the range of a bullet only goes so far and the same goes for a rocket launcher even more so, it will simply drop and then splash across the flood

regardless an oncoming zerg horde would destory the flood not only through their great numbers but also the flood wont be able to feed on the zerg why? a little oversight on my part...acid blood, most of the zerg straines have acid blood if not all...the little flood gas balls would die trying to get in...owned

not to menstion all that i menstioned above, your point is still irrelivent seeing zerg hydralisks are certainly more durable than flood, their bullets would take a lot of time to bring one down if they succeeded and when it does its acid will burst killing any who would want to feed and the thing itself would take down several flood...the zerg would be constantly producing above the world wheras the flood wouldnt, they would die out from the numbers eventually because they cannot feed on zerg

Originally posted by Burning thought
the guardians Acid is like a glob, it would easily be able to descend from the sky, i admit not through atmosphere but below the skyline which would be far out of range for any of the flood to hit the range of a bullet only goes so far and the same goes for a rocket launcher even more so, it will simply drop and then splash across the flood

Of course gravity would allow Guardians, in atmosphere, to be able to bomb their opponents from high up. That’s why their designation in the manual is that way, a heavy attack flyer. They’re supposed to bomb. However, even if they ascend to a point above the skyline, how the hell would they be able to see where they are shooting? Even if there were hundreds of them their shots would be scattered all over the place. Considering accuracy factors like wind speed and direction and momentum, it would be very difficult for Guardians to methodically bomb the Flood.

A rocket launcher in Halo has about a two kilometer range, and you’re also forgetting the concept of particle weapons, such as the beam rifle that the Covenant use as a sniping weapon and their carbine. The jets they fire only dissipate in environments where the ionic activity is extreme, like through another beam or the upper atmosphere.

You also seem to stupidly disregard the fact that the flood can still control ships and single-man fighters, and there are a lot of them, none of which are particularly good at piloting but are capable enough to do some damage. The damage scourge do are reportedly massive in a realistic sense, all the Flood have to do is really mindlessly charge into the Guardian cluster randomly, the Devourers and Mutalisks can’t spit acid without fear of any collateral damage that they might cause to the Guardians and the Scourge would be downright stupid to attempt to suicide bomb; a number of them above ground nearly obliterated an entire zerg battalion when shot. (Queen of Blades, Keith Decandido).

Originally posted by Burning thought
regardless an oncoming zerg horde would destory the flood not only through their great numbers but also the flood wont be able to feed on the zerg why? a little oversight on my part...acid blood, most of the zerg straines have acid blood if not all
...the little flood gas balls would die trying to get in...owned

Lies. Claims without backup.

So far the only the only documented race to have acid blood is the Mutalisk. Not even its forms, the Guardian or Devourer, has been confirmed or mentioned to have acid blood. There is absolutely no record of any other race having acid as their vital fluid. Can you back it up? No. All you’re doing is simply assuming, and wrongly, that simply because the Mutalisk has been mentioned in one novel to actively use acid in every way including it’s blood, that more should? Completely wrong. Unless you can prove it, it is moot and should be disregarded as a point.

Originally posted by Burning thought
not to menstion all that i menstioned above, your point is still irrelivent seeing zerg hydralisks are certainly more durable than flood

They’re certainly more durable than most Flood, but whether they can overcome the Flood simply by being more durable is another story. You’ve listed one factor, nothing else, and automatically assuming that it’s the ultimate key to victory.

Do you have any idea how much punishment a Flood Juggernaut can take before settling down? They were removed from the game, because they were considered far too difficult to defeat, but they chronologically exist in the lore. Don’t pretend that the Flood are completely squishy, especially when they start driving tanks.

Originally posted by Burning thought
their bullets would take a lot of time to bring one down if they succeeded

Why the hell would they stand and shoot it instead of charging it? They’re a lot better in close range combat instead of standing and attempting to trade shots with hydralisks. All you would have to do against a line of hydralisks is send the Juggernauts in the fore and back them up with shotgun and energy sword-toting combat forms.

Tell me, who does more damage, a zealot with psi blades or a hydralisk with his spines? Exactly.

Originally posted by Burning thought
and when it does its acid will burst killing any who would want to feed and the thing itself would take down several flood the zerg would be constantly producing above the world wheras the flood wouldnt, they would die out from the numbers eventually because they cannot feed on zerg...

And you’re still operating under this ridiculous assumption that most, if not all, Zerg breeds have acid for blood simply because the mutalisks have been recorded such. I don’t think any Zerg ground units have acid for blood, considering that Ardo was running through ground thick with Zerg entrails and blood and his boots didn’t melt off or even get remotely turned into slag. The zergling probably doesn’t, because it was bleeding all over Ardo with no real effect other than nastiness. Mike Liberty, in the first novel, even got splattered twice with Zergling gore, once unarmored (Anthem base) and once armored (Jacobs installation) without any acidic or corrosive effect.

But since they are not confirmed to have acid blood, and so should be negated as a skill, the Flood still can technically prey on Zerg, just not the Mutalisk. The Zergling can sure as hell be used as a host.

You still fail to provide support for these silly false claims that you make, that aren’t even technically true.

theres every reason to point to that things that use acid would have acid for blood, "possibly" not zerglings but Hydralisks spit acid and their spines are acidic which would mean they would certainly have a large store of it within them, if not for their entire form if we look at the mutalisks role of acid, guardians would have acid also..scourge, infact the scourge could be devastating bombers, suiciding into flood ground groups possibly killing great numbers of the things

also yes, true the guardians would be fireing blindly, yet with the amount of flood you say there are combiend with the fact there will be a lot of guardians fireing there will be thousands of losses, also its not exactley fair to think the flood vehicles will be able to come with impunity, before they get in range the hive mind would have already sent great numbers of devourours and mutalisks, devourers are incredible at AA fire, spreading incredibly powerful dissolving acids over large areas, a group of these things can probably bring down almost any group the flood could threaten the guardians with

also on the ground as you say the hydralisks would be charged but you would be foolish to think they are any less deadly in close range, i would wager their more deadly in close range considering a zerg hydralisk its fairly quick for their size and especialyl strong, its been shown that a couple of them can take down even the strongest Zealots, namely fenix, who dies to hydralisks. Also on the ground we still forget a combination of Ultralisks, queens and Defilers making problems..queens spawning broodlings, splitting apart the strongest flood forms as well as spitting her mucus slowing them to a crawl combined with defilers powerful plagues with Ultralisks like living tanks smashing through the flood and scourge bombing them from the skies in constant waves it would be crippleing, surely the flood would not be able to survive, especially if acid blood is inside all the zerg although this cannot be confirmed although could be probable in most of them

Originally posted by Burning thought
theres every reason to point to that things that use acid would have acid for blood,

Wrong. There is no reason at all to assume that an acidic biological form of weaponry automatically means that the being who uses it has acid for blood, completely stupid and false cause altogether. You’re simply assuming that because the Mutalisk has been proven to use acid as a weapon and

Originally posted by Burning thought
"possibly" not zerglings but Hydralisks spit acid

They have never spat acid, quit making bullshit up.

What “possibly” is there about it? Evidence has irrefutably proven that Zergling entrails and blood do not affect flesh or any other foreign substance in a harmful or destructive matter. Should I find the passages in which Mike Liberty survived being splattered with Zergling gore unscathed from your alleged direct effects?

You’re in way over your head here, little fanboy.

Originally posted by Burning thought
and their spines are acidic which would mean they would certainly have a large store of it within them, if not for their entire form

Where the hell does this reasoning come from? Yes, they do have stores of it in their body to coat their quills in, but other than that, nothing .Nothing has been shown that they have acid for blood, and nothing has been proven that anything that uses acid as a bioorganic weapon has it for their vital fluids, that’s incredibly stupid logic.
Originally posted by Burning thought
if we look at the mutalisks role of acid, guardians would have acid also

Ah, another bullshit reasoning of yours. You’re wildly grabbing at straws here and forming hasty assumptions regarding everything and without real proof that they’re doing so. You haven’t shown me anything here, Burning thought, other than the fact that you’re stupidly forming assumptions left and right.

Where is the proof?
Where is the logical reasoning?
Because I sure as hell don’t see any here.

Mutalisks evolve into Devourers and Guardings, who use similar attacks. However, you cannot simply deduct that they do have the same blood type just because they do. They have not been confirmed yet, evidence has not shown anything regarding such, and yet you still assume it for some reason.

Originally posted by Burning thought
also yes, true the guardians would be fireing blindly, yet with the amount of flood you say there are combiend with the fact there will be a lot of guardians fireing there will be thousands of losses,

I never denied that, Burning thought, but the problem remains is that even though the Guardians would cause damage, their shots would be scattered everywhere and so would not nearly be as effective as if they were more accurate and concentrated on a certain area together methodically, get what I mean? And priority targets such as tanks or vehicles become completely moot without their ability to aim precisely.
Originally posted by Burning thought
also its not exactley fair to think the flood vehicles will be able to come with impunity

Hold on a second, Burning thought, where the bloody hell did I say that? All I mentioned was the strategy the Flood ought to take and the effects on the zerg, I never said anything about it being a breeze. Stop assuming so damn much.
Originally posted by Burning thought
before they get in range the hive mind would have already sent great numbers of devourours and mutalisks, devourers are incredible at AA fire, spreading incredibly powerful dissolving acids over large areas

I’m fully aware of the type of airborne zerg and their attacks, thanks. Seriously, you need to stop overhyping so much, but then again you are a fanboy.

Even if the Hive Cluster sent a battalion to counter this air threat, the Flood would probably just split up and force the Zerg anti-air wave to split up as well and go after individual attacks to negate the Devourer’s area of effect acid attack as a factor and possibly even

a group of these things can probably bring down almost any group the flood could threaten the guardians with

also on the ground as you say the hydralisks would be charged but you would be foolish to think they are any less deadly in close range

Originally posted by Burning thought
i would wager their more deadly in close range considering a zerg hydralisk its fairly quick for their size and especialyl strong

Oh, don’t be such an idiot. A single hydralisk spine has the force to pass through a window, straight through someone’s head, send their 9’0 armored hulk flying backwards and pin them in midair against a wall, several tonnes of it.

A hydralisk cannot even stab an armored marine in the chest and cause damage, they have to claw at it to rip it off first before they want to do any real damage. {Queen of Blades novel)

I already know that hydralisks very strong in close range too, but saying that they are more effective in close range is just downright unreasonable. They were made for range, they’ll be more effective in range.

Originally posted by Burning thought
its been shown that a couple of them can take down even the strongest Zealots

In terms of strength, you mean? Thanks, captain obvious, it’s very clear that if a couple hydralisks gang up on a veteran zealot the odds are clearly stacked against the Protoss warrior.
Originally posted by Burning thought
namely fenix who dies to hydralisks

Oh dear, forgetfulness alert!

Don’t you remember? The only reason Fenix was defeated (not dead, otherwise he wouldn’t have come back as a Dragoon, silly) and rather badly dismembered was because for some unexplained reason, his psi-blades went out on him. And it was one hydralisk. And we don’t know what happened to the hydralisk that ‘killed’ him. Maybe it’s dead, maybe it’s not.

When Fenix is at full capacity as a zealot, he can handily take on a few hydralisks solo. It takes two slices to kill one.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Also on the ground we still forget a combination of Ultralisks, queens and Defilers making problems..queens spawning broodlings, splitting apart the strongest flood forms as well as spitting her mucus slowing them to a crawl combined with defilers powerful plagues

First of all, we’ve gone over defiler’s abilities already. Dark Swarm isn’t really effective in the air because of massive overkill firing in their direction which doesn’t necessitate accuracy anyways, and secondly, they can only use plague sparingly which doesn’t kill a great deal of Flood even if there are many defilers. There’s always more to the Flood. They’re not called Flood for nothing.

The queen’s ensnare can be simply melted off with an energy based weapon.
And she can also only use her broodlings sparingly, which is really quite a waste of energy anyways considering how many flood there are and how her Broodlings aren’t exactly that durable or damaging anyways. It would just give the Flood a chance to get more prey.

Originally posted by Burning thought
with Ultralisks like living tanks smashing through the flood

Oh dear, another rather horrible exaggeration. I know the Ultralisk’s appearance and capabilities. From the looks of it, I know the game and its plot better than you do considering the amount of times I’ve had to correct you, so try not to spout romanticized views of Ultralisks, or anything else for that matter.

And about the Ultralisks themselves, they’ll trample and smash through many Flood but will go down fairly quickly under the onslaught of fire and blades cutting at it. Plus, the thing can’t even slice Infection forms, it’s just far too big for that. They’ll dance up his legs and up to his head. How many times have you seen Ultralisks fall to crowding Zealots? Exactly.

Firing movelists at me doesn’t mean anything Burning.

Originally posted by Burning thought
scourge bombing them from the skies in constant waves it would be crippleing

Of course, but the scourge cause collateral damage realistically, which is why it would be foolish to send in several at once. They’d have to dodge through a storm of plasma fire and tracers to do it. If one dies, so do the rest. The only practical way is to send in one at a time.

If it’s shot down, nothing is really wasted, but if you send in more than half a dozen and they explode simultaenously, it’ll probably wipe out both armies. (Queen of Blades novel.) Scourge explosions have been shown to be self-triggered or pressure triggered. (Raynor shooting the overlord ‘ear’ repeatedly to get it to crush the scourge in between another overlord instead of shooting the scourge themselves.)

And besides, there’s always plenty more Flood where they came from.

Originally posted by Burning thought
surely the flood would not be able to survive

Dear dear, more fanboyishness. You never learn, do you?

I personally think that the battle would be mostly stalemate, but the Flood would come out on top because there’s just so many, they can be re-animated by Infection forms in less than ten seconds, unless they are well and truly destroyed (aka sliced in half, torn to tatters by a shotgun blast, melted by Mutalisk or Guardian acid, etc.) The only real way

However, I’m not an idiot nor shortsighted enough to openly declare that one side has superiority to another.

Originally posted by Burning thought
especially if acid blood is inside all the zerg although this cannot be confirmed although could be probable in most of them

No, this is another one of your idiotic assumptions. It’s not probable nor improbable at all, because we have no way of knowing and it would be folly to assume one or the other.

Get it? It’s a moot factor because it is unconfirmed in the first place.

Just some minor nitpicks here and there from what I have only half read:
-Gauss rifles are stated to be 8mm bullets not 14 mm.
-the M68 guass cannon is supposed to be a gun that shoots 25mm projectiles at hypersonic velocity(not supersonic as what I seen stated before) speeds.

Carry on.

Just an edit.

Originally posted by doan_m
Just some minor nitpicks here and there from what I have only half read:
-Gauss rifles are stated to be 8mm bullets not 14 mm.
-the M68 guass cannon is supposed to be a gun that shoots 25mm projectiles at hypersonic velocity(not supersonic as what I seen stated before) speeds.
-the novel Shadow of the Xel'naga (that book or some other) shows that Zerglings can be killed by farmers with pitchforks.

Carry on.

Originally posted by doan_m
Just some minor nitpicks here and there from what I have only half read:
-Gauss rifles are stated to be 8mm bullets not 14 mm.

Okay, so I was being generous when I said 14mm. I was mistaken, confusing the model-number with the actual caliber of the rifle. They're apparently smaller than the round a handgun fires then.
Originally posted by doan_m
-the novel Shadow of the Xel'naga (that book or some other) shows that Zerglings can be killed by farmers with pitchforks.

Actually, I think it was granite chopping implements, not pitchforks. But yes, Zerglings are not nearly as tough as Burning thought here seems to see them as.