The simplicity of the situation continues to escape those who see Israel as the one at fault. Their reasoning becomes self-serving ("I don't care what anyone else says--I'm right, dammit!"😉, considering that the G8 nations AND the moderate Arab world have all stated Hezbollah is the cause of this current conflict...
Recognize Israel's right to exist.
Use diplomacy. Think compromise. Israel will do likewise.
However, Hebollah's goal is the destruction of Israel.
Attack Israel, Israel will strike back.
If you keep attacking Israel, eventually Israel will do what it takes to take you out.
If you embed yourselves among civilians, then You have chosen to put those civilians in harm's way (considering these are the very citizens you claim to be fighting for, that claim itself becomes suspect).
If Hezbollah had not struck first, there'd be no war now. Plain and simple.
Originally posted by MindshipAnd? Did I miss the meeting when the G8 became infallible?
The simplicity of the situation continues to escape those who see Israel as the one at fault. Their reasoning becomes self-serving ("I don't care what anyone else says--I'm right, dammit!"😉, considering that the G8 nations AND the moderate Arab world have all stated [B]Hezbollah is the cause of this current conflict...Recognize Israel's right to exist.
Use diplomacy. Think compromise. Israel will do likewise.
However, Hebollah's goal is the destruction of Israel.Attack Israel, Israel will strike back.
If you keep attacking Israel, eventually Israel will do what it takes to take you out.If you embed yourselves among civilians, then You have chosen to put those civilians in harm's way (considering these are the very citizens you claim to be fighting for, that claim itself becomes suspect).
If Hezbollah had not struck first, there'd be no war now. Plain and simple. [/B]
ANd Israel's goal might (MIGHT) not be the destruction of Lebanon (and it's bordering states), but they did more for it than Hezbolla has in return...so, you know, it's for one the wrong measurement and also beating the wrong people.
Well, good thing Lebanon didn't attack Israel ...wait....they are attacked anyways, weird.
No, not Hezbollah hiding between civilians is the cause and problem, Israel shooting rockets at civilians ("There might be Hezzbollah militia" - "Oh well, we have enough rockets...signed by our school children 😊"😉 is the problem.
If Israel had not got their own state in Muslim territory , there wouldn'tt be a problem. If there hadn't been the Treaty of Versailles, there wouldn'tt be a problem. If the Romans hadn't driven away the Jews, there wouldn'tt be a problem. If the Jews hadn't escaped from Egypt, there wouldn' be a problem. If the Big Bang (or likewise start) hadn't happened, there wouldn'tt be a problem. So, what's it gonna be?
The matter of the fact though is this: "Israel attacked the Lebanon....", that's it.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Totally agree, I mean seriously, what was the point in ****ing Muslims in the ass for something Germany did.
Seriously, I'll bet most the Muslims don't enjoy backdoor delivery's anyway! We should have left the waring between Shiites and Sunni's anyway.
The US screwed up with that Israel deal there.
Originally posted by Mindship
You forgot to mention the moderate Arab world's fallibility, too. 😉 Tis good you see things so much more clearly than all these world leaders with years of experience in international affairs.
I doubt I do see it more clearly. I am not forced by diplomacy to say certain things though.
"A brief overview of the situation is always valuable, so as a service
to all Americans who still don't get it, I now offer you the story of the
Middle East in just a few paragraphs, which is all you really need.
Here we go:
The Palestinians want their own country. There's just one thing about that: There are no Palestinians. It's a made up word. Israel was called Palestine for two thousand years. Like "Wiccan," "Palestinian" sounds ancient but is really a modern invention.
Before the Israelis won the land in the 1967 war, Gaza was owned by Egypt, the West Bank was owned by Jordan, and there were no "Palestinians." As soon as the Jews took over and started growing oranges as big as basketballs, what do you know, say hello to the "Palestinians," weeping for their deep bond with their lost "land" and "nation." So for the sake of honesty, let's not use the word "Palestinian" any more to describe these delightful folks, who dance for joy at our deaths until someone points out they're being taped. Instead, let's call them what they are: "Other Arabs Who Can't Accomplish Anything In Life And Would Rather Wrap
Themselves In The Seductive Melodrama Of Eternal Struggle And Death."
I know that's a bit unwieldy to expect to see on CNN. How about this, then: "Adjacent Jew-Haters." Okay, so the Adjacent Jew-Haters want their own country. Oops, just one more thing: No, they don't. They could've had their own country any time in the last thirty years, especially two years ago at Camp David. But if you have your own country, you have to have traffic lights and garbage trucks and Chambers of Commerce, and, worse, you actually have to figure out some way to make a living.
That's no fun. No, they want what all the other Jew-Haters in the region
want: Israel. They also want a big pile of dead Jews, of course -- that's
where the real fun is -- but mostly they want Israel.
Why? For one thing, trying to destroy Israel - or "The Zionist Entity" as
their textbooks call it -- for the last fifty years has allowed the rulers
of Arab countries to divert the attention of their own people away from the fact that they're the blue-ribbon most illiterate, poorest, and tribally
backward on God's Earth, and if you've ever been around God's Earth, you know that's really saying something.
It makes me roll my eyes every time one of our pundits waxes poetic about the great history and culture of the Muslim Mid east. Unless I'm missing something, the Arabs haven't given anything to the world since Algebra, and, by the way, thanks a hell of a lot for that one.
Chew this around and spit it out: Five hundred million Arabs; five Million
Jews. Think of all the Arab countries as a football field, and Israel as a
pack of matches sitting in the middle of it. And now these same folks
swear that if Israel gives them half of that pack of matches, everyone will be pals.
Really? Wow, what neat news. Hey, but what about the string of wars to
obliterate the tiny country and the constant din of rabid blood oaths to drive every Jew into the sea?
Oh, that? We were just kidding. My friend, Kevin Rooney, made a gorgeous point the other day: Just reverse the numbers. Imagine five hundred million Jews and five million Arabs. I was stunned at the simple brilliance of it. Can anyone picture the Jews strapping belts of razor blades and dynamite to themselves? Of course not. Or marshaling every fiber and force at their disposal for generations to drive a tiny
Arab State into the sea? Nonsense. Or dancing for joy at the murder of
innocents? Impossible. Or spreading and believing horrible lies about the Arabs baking their bread with the blood of children? Disgusting.
Now, as you know, left to themselves in a world of peace, the worst
Jews would ever do to people is debate them to death. Mr. Bush, God bless him, is walking a tightrope. I understand that with vital operations in Iraq and others, it's in our interest, as Americans, to try to stabilize our Arab allies as much as possible, and, after all, that can't be much harder than stabilizing a roomful of super models who've
just had their drugs taken away.
However, in any big-picture strategy, there's always a danger of losing
moral weight. We've already lost some. After September 11th our president told us and the world he was going to root out all terrorists and the countries that supported them. Beautiful. Then the Israelis, after months and months of having the equivalent of an Oklahoma City every week (and then every day) start to do the same thing we did, and we tell them to show restraint.
If America were being attacked with an Oklahoma City every day, we
would all very shortly be screaming for the administration to just be done with it and kill everything south of the Mediterranean and east of the Jordan.
My friends - Walk in peace! Be Happy! Have a wonderful life!"
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