Originally posted by Thorinn
how so?
Hezbollah kidnapped those Isreal soliders, not to mention after 2 weaks of heavy military incusion into Palestine.
Then, Isreal starts bombing Beruit international aairport. They have Lebonon in a Naval Blockade. They are bombing civilian targets. olmert has threatened to "take the country back 20 years" by destorying all their infrastructure.
Of course, a UN resolution against Isreal was vetoed by the f8ing UNited States of America
Israel isn't a terrorist state. My family is from there, and it is a huge misunderstanding people have about israel. They get buses blown up by people who oppose them, the israeli army shows a little force, and they are considered terrorists. (I'm not emotional about it b/c that's where I come from, I just see it as ignorance to make such a ludacris(sp?)statement)
This sucks. It's the beginning of the third world war. Now they are talking about the US working behind the scenes on this(news). by the way, what would a nuclear war lead to(obviously lots of death) but wouldn't it effect everyone somehow...
Originally posted by Alliance
Hezbollah kidnapped those Isreal soliders, not to mention after 2 weaks of heavy military incusion into Palestine.Then, Isreal starts bombing Beruit international aairport. They have Lebonon in a Naval Blockade. They are bombing civilian targets. olmert has threatened to "take the country back 20 years" by destorying all their infrastructure.
Of course, a UN resolution against Isreal was vetoed by the f8ing UNited States of America
Of course, just like North Korea is backed by Russia and China, its all a game of chess.
Originally posted by Soleran
Of course, just like North Korea is backed by Russia and China, its all a game of chess.
There is a difference between "backing" and "unconditional backing."
China and Russia did not like N. Koreas missile tests. They are just being more cautious about punishment. THey have a much bigger stakie in the process than the US does.
The UN vote on the condemnation was 10 for, and 4 abstain. The US was the only one to go against it. Thats a stong comdenmation even though it wasnt passed.
Originally posted by Alliance
There is a difference between "backing" and "unconditional backing."China and Russia did not like N. Koreas missile tests. They are just being more cautious about punishment. THey have a much bigger stakie in the process than the US does.
The UN vote on the condemnation was 10 for, and 4 abstain. The US was the only one to go against it. Thats a stong comdenmation even though it wasnt passed.
You're getting into the semantics of it, I just made a statement about backing different teams.
I see a lot of people saying that Israel went over the line. What exactly would be considered an appropriate level of force? What is an appropriate response? In order to negotiate both sides have to have some level of trust. Israels trust has been broken many times. Every time Israel extends the olive branch some wacko murderer (backed by one of these terrorist organizations) blows up a dozen or so teenagers or something.
I myself am a believer in total war. If a situation calls for violence you give it the whole shebang and try to finish it as quickly as possible.
Originally posted by docb77
I see a lot of people saying that Israel went over the line. What exactly would be considered an appropriate level of force? What is an appropriate response? In order to negotiate both sides have to have some level of trust. Israels trust has been broken many times. Every time Israel extends the olive branch some wacko murderer (backed by one of these terrorist organizations) blows up a dozen or so teenagers or something.
There is no proof that Lebanon is backing or supports the actions of Hezbollah. In fact they have publicly condemned them. Now the city in question has millions of citizens, the majority of who are in no way affiliated with a terrorist organisation. Hezbollah hides amongst them though.
I see no way in which Israel can be justified attacking conducting the matter like this and attacking infrastructure and civilian targets in a sovereign nation - do they believe it is going to make the terrorists go "oh, maybe we should reconsider?" I doubt it. Do they think that they have a chance of killing a few hundred terrorists mixed in with a millions of non-terrorsits? I don't see how. The Israeli response to both Palestine and Lebanon in this is over blown and counter productive - they are hurting innocent people more then the terrorists, and making the civilian populations angry. Likewise this reaction has no grounding in international law - in fact breaks it. Likewise the initial act of going in and capturing members of the Palestinian government and locking them up - people who have no actual links to the cell that did the kidnapping - this can easily be seen as an attack on a democratically elected government in an effort to coerce the population into a particular course of action.
I myself am a believer in total war. If a situation calls for violence you give it the whole shebang and try to finish it as quickly as possible.
Does the situation call for it? No. It is like some US terrorist cell (and we know they exist) kidnapping a Mexican soldier - now does Mexico have a casius belli to cross the border and start bombing US cities until they kill the terrorists/free their soldier?
Originally Posted by Alliance
What they're doing now to me is pretty blatant terrorism. I sympathise with their situation. But this is totally over the line. TOTALLY.
Exactly - they are burning the good will and sympathy that impartial nations might have for their situation. Bombastic, over the top retaliation that is primarily harming civilian targets is NOT helping their situation. They seem to forget that the people elected HAMAS because the previous government was not protecting their interests against Israeli attitudes. If the Israeli administration thinks this is going to fix anything, they are mad.
Israel isn't a terrorist state. My family is from there, and it is a huge misunderstanding people have about israel. They get buses blown up by people who oppose them, the israeli army shows a little force, and they are considered terrorists. (I'm not emotional about it b/c that's where I come from, I just see it as ignorance to make such a ludacris(sp?)statement)
A little force? They are taking out their anger on *civilian* cities. Now we can say they are hoping to get the terrorists who did the kidnappings, but lets face it - the majority of the people dying are civilians. The army is damaging civilian infrastructure - at best it seems they hope that the civilian populous will get scared enough to hunt down and purge the terrorists - now it doesn't need to be said that this is a similar tactic used by terrorist organisations.
It just really sounds like more people need to read the news coverage of this event........................
"Hezbollah guerillas on Thursday lobbed dozens of Soviet-era Katyusha rockets into northern Israel. Rockets also landed in the northern port city of Haifa, which would mark the deepest point into Israel that Hezbollah rockets have ever reached, but Hezbollah denied that they fired the rockets." Thanks CNN!
"Despite the fact that several countries -- including the Unites States and Lebanon -- have said that the Lebanese government doesn't have the capacity to extend its authority into Hezbollah-held territory, Israel has blamed the Lebanese government for the violence and charged it with the soldiers' safe release." Thanks CNN!
Sucks for Lebanon but its their country why aren't they policing it to protect their citizens to begin with?
"Hezbollah, which enjoys substantial backing from Syria and Iran, is considered a terrorist organization by the United States and Israel. The group holds 23 of the 128 seats in Lebanon's parliament." Thanks CNN!
OMG look Syria and Iran !!!!!!!!! Iran doesn't even acknowledge Israel as a country just a bunch of Zionists and has said time and again they want to reclaim that land. Looks like they sent in lap dogs to stir up a pit fight huh?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/13/mideast/index.html
Just in case anyone else wants to read it the article in full at CNN! Maybe I should slap up a fox piece on it as well so I can appear more impartial though, lol.
Originally posted by Soleran
It just really sounds like more people need to read the news coverage of this event........................"Hezbollah guerillas on Thursday lobbed dozens of Soviet-era Katyusha rockets into northern Israel. Rockets also landed in the northern port city of Haifa, which would mark the deepest point into Israel that Hezbollah rockets have ever reached, but Hezbollah denied that they fired the rockets." Thanks CNN!
"Despite the fact that several countries -- including the Unites States and Lebanon -- have said that the Lebanese government doesn't have the capacity to extend its authority into Hezbollah-held territory, Israel has blamed the Lebanese government for the violence and charged it with the soldiers' safe release." Thanks CNN!
Sucks for Lebanon but its their country why aren't they policing it to protect their citizens to begin with?
"Hezbollah, which enjoys substantial backing from Syria and Iran, is considered a terrorist organization by the United States and Israel. The group holds 23 of the 128 seats in Lebanon's parliament." Thanks CNN!
OMG look Syria and Iran !!!!!!!!! Iran doesn't even acknowledge Israel as a country just a bunch of Zionists and has said time and again they want to reclaim that land. Looks like they sent in lap dogs to stir up a pit fight huh?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/13/mideast/index.html
Just in case anyone else wants to read it the article in full at CNN! Maybe I should slap up a fox piece on it as well so I can appear more impartial though, lol.
If anything the article seems to be supporting the imagine of Isreal crossing the line in attacking Lebanon - especially as their attacks and threats have so far been far more harmful to Lebanon the nation rather then Hezbollah the terrorist organisation.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
If anything the article seems to be supporting the imagine of Isreal crossing the line in attacking Lebanon - especially as their attacks and threats have so far been far more harmful to Lebanon the nation rather then Hezbollah the terrorist organisation.
Maybe, but lets be honest here. Hezbollah is a part of the Lebanon nation, there isn't a way to say they aren't. Hell tthe Hezbollah are a part of the Govt there, Lebanon knows they are a militant group!
When Israel asked Lebanon to diffuse the situation themselves and disarm them, Lebanon said it couldn't and that it didn't want to send in it's military force to serve as a border guard to Israel's northern border!
It's pretty damn obvious someone went to pick a fight with Israel and they are going to get spanked, HARD. Egypt learned a tough lesson the same way...............Israel is a small country which cannot afford to be squimish and throw insults over their borders when its obvious other countries are prepared to do much MUCH more.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
A little force? They are taking out their anger on *civilian* cities. Now we can say they are hoping to get the terrorists who did the kidnappings, but lets face it - the majority of the people dying are civilians. The army is damaging civilian infrastructure - at best it seems they hope that the civilian populous will get scared enough to hunt down and purge the terrorists - now it doesn't need to be said that this is a similar tactic used by terrorist organisations.
Originally posted at CNN.com
Earlier, Israel had dropped leaflets warning residents to stay away from the Hezbollah offices in southern Beirut, where Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah is thought to live.
would a terrorist organization do that?
Calling Israel a terrorist state is a bit much, don’t you think? They’re obviously going after Hezbollah targets, and as was said before, Hezbollah has seats in the gov’t and is an active part of the political system in Lebanon.
Originally posted by docb77
I myself am a believer in total war. If a situation calls for violence you give it the whole shebang and try to finish it as quickly as possible.
A tad extreme.
Basically saying that if a little violence will do, you might as well just do more. That's what serial killers think, "Well...I've killed one...might as well kill ten.".
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
A tad extreme.Basically saying that if a little violence will do, you might as well just do more. That's what serial killers think, "Well...I've killed one...might as well kill ten.".
-AC
Huh...................comparing a serial killer's response to a "blietzkrieg" military effort vs a slow drawn out poke at them for years with a stick military effort.
Seems to be a strange comparison, strange indeed.