lol I was thinking the same thing, there are just soooo many signs and hints both in the first, and the second movies that explain every reason why Jack and Liz should be together. and if she goes with Will, it will be uncalled for, and out of place. because they have let the will/liz think fade ALOT.
Originally posted by katelovespirate
YAY for happy logic, LovelyOne. What does IMO stand for???
if they care at all what the world thinks, they will go with jack. i'm a big supporter of CHEMISTRY.
He He. It short for "In My Opinion" 😉
To go into more detail about the 3 trilogy rules and PotC following them:
Movie one sets the rules. Its a typical Disney happy ending. Everything tied up nicely. Pirates stuck to being pirates and good people stuck to being good people. In terms of character relationships everything was nice and neat. PotC1 did this...but this kind of story cant repeat over a trilogy, otherwise people lose interest. Characters need to change priorities and face difficult decisions. You will see the best and worst side of the characters as a trilogy progresses. You don’t see that in movie one.
The second movie bends the rules: This movie shocked people because it showed us that Disney are going against the grain. playing around with its own rules. Jack/Liz relationships. Characters changing and showing the best and worst side of themselves. By the second in a trilogy the audience is meant to still be guessing who's going to do what and who's going to end up with who. Most people think "Its a Disney movie, it will end in a typical way" but this never works in trilogies. Because the Third in the series is always meant to be a twist and shock you. The characters need to develop past what we see in the first movie. You see it in everything from Lord of the Rings to Star Wars to Austin Powers lol
With a third movie the rules usually go out the window completely ..So its very likely that Disney will make Liz go with jack. Its the way trilogies work.
If Disney made each movie in this trilogy end with the rules it started with then it wont capture audiences.
Still I could be wrong. But This film is very unlike any other disney film I have seen. Its the first proper Trilogy I have seen them do. So I cant tell what they will probably do with it in the end. This could be the new step for Disney to change it's image a bit.
also, i read an article ages ago, where ob said "well the course of love never runs true in films does it, but mostly things work themselves out ... that's all im saying" ... and i agree with him - all romantic film characters have their little arguements. ... but this arguement could be bigger than others and it could not 'sort itself out'.
Originally posted by JohnnyBloom
she went in for another kiss because she was caught in the moment (i mean, would'nt you be?? wouldn't we all??) i believe that for now her character still loves will and was merely doing this to save everyone's skin ... as i've said before. but later on she may end up falling for jack.
Thing is this movie showed us how much she doesn't need Will to be happy. He wasnt even with her through out most of the movie and she took care of herself just fine. Will's new distraction is his dad. Will came back to Liz and she was a different person completley to the one he left in the cell. Even when he did find her it was an accident he was only there looking for the chest so he could save his dad. Actually it seems as if he forgot about what he set offf to do which was save Liz it switched to saving his dad.
Disney needed to keep will out of the picture completley otherwise Liz's caracter wouldn't be able to develop. same goes for Will.. If we want to see these characters develop and stay interesting they need to change...this hapens in all trilogies.
I personally dont think that last thing she did was really for anyone but herself..It makes the whole curiosity scene between Jack and Liz relevant. If she did it for everyone else then that scene would have been completley pointless and cut from the movie.
Originally posted by LovelyOne
Thing is this movie showed us how much she doesn't need Will to be happy. He wasnt even with her through out most of the movie and she took care of herself just fine. Will's new distraction is his dad. Will came back to Liz and she was a different person completley to the one he left in the cell. Even when he did find her it was an accident he was only there looking for the chest so he could save his dad. Actually it seems as if he forgot about what he set offf to do which was save Liz it switched to saving his dad.
true - two fair points there ... similarly for most of the first film she was also on her own and was fine then too!
Originally posted by JohnnyBloom
true - two fair points there ... similarly for most of the first film she was also on her own and was fine then too!
Yeh but she didnt get out of the Barbossa situation on her own like she would have done in the newer one. Will had to save her there. Now she would probably have to save will.
He's turning into the total Damsel in distress of the movie now. 😂 Kidding..but seriously he was the one that needed saving most times in this movie.
Originally posted by warcraft xs
ya i think it might be jack cause when liz has the compass on the island it suddenlly points to him when she is standing on it
Yeh and if it was really pointing to the chest then the compass point wouldn't have settled.
Also it pointed to him the first time she held it and the second
I think that when Jack was holding it it was pointing at her when he thought it was just broken. Tia seemed to know this but didnt want to tell him. It "worked for him" and showed him the "chest " after it was screwing around for him before that..why would it suddenly work there for him?...It was clearly pointing at her and she just happened to be sitting on the chest.
This movie was ESB, for the pirates series.
Luke Skywalker? Check. (will turner, with a missing dad to boot.)
Princess Leah? Check. (elizabeth, becoming much more independant.)
Han Solo? Check.
(Obviously Captain Jack, who develops more of a relationship with the heroine, goes from rouge to hero, and is even "stuck in carbonite" at the end of the picture, and his friends need to go off and rescue him.)
Vader? Check. (davy Jones)
Emporer? Check. (the official who took over, forgot his name, that wants the compass.)
R2 and 3PO? Check. (the fat pirate, and the one with the wooden eyeball.)
Darker story which develops the characters, deepens the romance, introduces a father thought dead for the Luke character, and ends unresolved?
CHECK. 😄
Mark my words now,
Spoiler:
Will Turner and Elizabeth are brother and sister.
Originally posted by LovelyOne
Yeh and if it was really pointing to the chest then the compass point wouldn't have settled.Also it pointed to him the first time she held it and the second
I think that when Jack was holding it it was pointing at her when he thought it was just broken. Tia seemed to know this but didnt want to tell him. It "worked for him" and showed him the "chest " after it was screwing around for him before that..why would it suddenly work there for him?...It was clearly pointing at her and she just happened to be sitting on the chest.
Speaking of Tia - how about the part when she says "you still have the compass I gave you?" and Jack replies, "yes, but it doesn't work." And she replies, "Ah, Jack Sparrow doesn't know what he want - " but she has this look on her face like she knows and understands what he wants,and he doesn't even realize it yet. I love when they are on Tortuga, while Gibbs in enlising sailors - Jack is in the background playing around with the compass. Then Norrington shows up.
On the Black Pearl - when Jack explains to Lizzie about the compass (right after the No dress comment) she has this look on her face -like all hero worship and you can see Norrington in the background observing the whole exchange between Jack and Liz. He's onto them.