^^ Of coarse he is.....he watches her every move.....remember when Jack made that suggestion to her, and she walked away, and started talking to Norrington, and he said "You know there was a time where I would have done anything for you to look like that while thinking of me" shows that he notices her reaction to Jack when he suggests that stuff to her........
Originally posted by blackpearl44
^^ Of coarse he is.....he watches her every move.....remember when Jack made that suggestion to her, and she walked away, and started talking to Norrington, and he said "You know there was a time where I would have done anything for you to look like that while thinking of me" shows that he notices her reaction to Jack when he suggests that stuff to her........
Oh I know,that is one of my favorite scenes. To me that just solidifies how much Disney wants the audience to focus on the whole Jack/Liz relationship. Not only are we picking up on it - but so is Norrington, and others that are around them.
Question: I know it's just a movie, but if Disney intended for Will and Liz to be together they would have emphasised on that relationship instead of devoting 50% of the movie to Jack and Liz. Why didn't Will, as the man in love with Liz, get her and help her get into the long boat first. He didn't even look back to assist her. In Pirates 1 that's what he would have done. He would have wanted to make sure that Liz was safe and protected before anything else. A sign that Will is changing too. I think all of these things are intentional from Disney. They made the movie, of course it is. It can't just be our imagination going off in tangents. Too many of us have the same thoughts.
Liz and Jack will end up together. They have to for Pirates 3 to rack in the money that Pirates 2 has.
Originally posted by lovethemtigers
Oh I know,that is one of my favorite scenes. To me that just solidifies how much Disney wants the audience to focus on the whole Jack/Liz relationship. Not only are we picking up on it - but so is Norrington, and others that are around them.Question: I know it's just a movie, but if Disney intended for Will and Liz to be together they would have emphasised on that relationship instead of devoting 50% of the movie to Jack and Liz. Why didn't Will, as the man in love with Liz, get her and help her get into the long boat first. He didn't even look back to assist her. In Pirates 1 that's what he would have done. He would have wanted to make sure that Liz was safe and protected before anything else. A sign that Will is changing too. I think all of these things are intentional from Disney. They made the movie, of course it is. It can't just be our imagination going off in tangents. Too many of us have the same thoughts.
Liz and Jack will end up together. They have to for Pirates 3 to rack in the money that Pirates 2 has.
you speak so much sense 🙂
did you read my Liz/Jack's hat metaphor thing? 🙂
And yes Norrington is the one who solidifies that what we are seeing with Jack/Liz is completely real.
Originally posted by LovelyOne
you speak so much sense 🙂did you read my Liz/Jack's hat metaphor thing? 🙂
And yes Norrington is the one who solidifies that what we are seeing with Jack/Liz is completely real.
I did read the hat theory on the other thread. That is very interesting, I had never even considered that.
It's like okay, what happened to the straw hat and how does she end up with the pirate looking hat?
Hello! I'm new here to the forums but I've been intrigued by the Jack/Elizabeth pairing for some time.
Anyway, getting to the thread topic-- LovelyOne makes some very good observations about the necessity of the j/e romance being sustained into the 3rd film. In all honesty, it would insult the audience's intelligence if the issue were not addressed in some kind of meaningful way. And just from a structural and psychological standpoint, it just makes more SENSE for them to end up together than Will&Liz. The only thing that really worries me is...it's DISNEY. 😑 And though they've proved that they're capable of bending or reexamining their "rules" with the pirate films, it's possible that they may try to somehow resolve or explain away the tension between Elizabeth and the good Captain... and that would be depressing and trite beyond reason. If it were ANY other company, I would have said Jack and Elizabeth without hesitation. Disney gives me a pause though.... EEEK. Worries me.
That being said, the sexual tension between those two in DMC is undeniable. There is some crackling electricity between Liz and Jack...leading up to the smoking KISS. Now THERE is real passion as I have NEVER seen from Will and Liz. I'm sorry but even in Pirates 1, I felt like Keira and Orlando acted like brother and sister. They have no chemistry whatsoever and I feel vaguely uncomfortable when they kiss.
Also, I thought that Jack and Elizabeth's provocative double entendre laden banter throughout the film was plot significant as well as being intensely enjoyable..(PERSUADE ME... AGh, I know I'D love to persuade him...) Very reminiscent of Old Hollywood and Bogie/Bacall...it emphasizes that they are EQUALS. Lizzie clearly proves that she is a match for Jack and more. Vice versa for Jack. They stimulate and challenge each other to develop and grow as characters. In films, as well as in life, that is one of the clearest indicators of true love and passion. Very sad for poor Will, but let's face it, the lad's a bit eunuchy as Jack suggested. 😛
you know what vegaofthelyre...I agree with you 100%
Thats the thing with Disney..Its what makes me wonder what they will do. But what gives me a spec of hope that they wont sell out on the audience is the fact that the Director has actually said that Will is resembling DavyJones' and his tragic love story. SO that seems pretty doomed to me. Also Tia seems to know that Will resembles Davy when she said "there is a touch of destiny about you, William Turner!" and then the scene emphasises on the fact that its a dark destiny for him. As she is talking about Davy cutting his heart out over his lost uncontrollable fiance (COUGH LIZ COUGH!) the camera lingers heavily on Will and the music is overshadowing and sinister. Why would they add that in if it was going to end up all peachy for him in the end?
OH MY!! I thought I was the only one who felt really uncomfortable when Liz/Will kissed. It didn't seem right that He got her yet there was Jack..I wanted to see her and Jack but it didn't happen. I felt a bit cheated actually. and yes they do seem like brother and sister...she has this interest in being a pirate and Will is the SON of a pirate..why would the daughter of a wealthy man have this urge in her? She may have been adopted. Pirate is obviously in her blood.
Also so far PotC is pretty much following Star Wars episodes 4 and 5..so 6...EKK Will/Liz bro and Sis..ahh I mean Jack is basically Hans Solo and we all know who he ended up with lol.
AND yes I think they have both realised they are each others equal..and the whole Jack lost hat theory of mine pretty much seals the fact that Liz is the missing part of him...hence her looking just like him throughout the movie but SHE wears the missing hat...then Jack gets his hat back at the end.."coincidently" just after Liz has finally come down to his level.
Ok I think I got Wills destiny....
Will becomes the new Davy jones...
dun dun dun... 😂
I mean it really makes sense. Everything they point too for Will. He will give up his soul to Davy Jones to save his father. That or Will , will become SO heart broken when he finds out what Liz really wants that he finds the heart and destroys it, by doing this he sets his father free BUT before this Davy leaves him the black spot , Will makes a deal with the Flying dutchman to help him and he will make a new crew to Honor davy jones broken heart.
Originally posted by sweet_kat22
Ok I think I got Wills destiny....Will becomes the new Davy jones...
dun dun dun... 😂
I mean it really makes sense. Everything they point too for Will. He will give up his soul to Davy Jones to save his father. That or Will , will become SO heart broken when he finds out what Liz really wants that he finds the heart and destroys it, by doing this he sets his father free BUT before this Davy leaves him the black spot , Will makes a deal with the Flying dutchman to help him and he will make a new crew to Honor davy jones broken heart.
We already sussed that out last week..come on man you living under a rock??
lol thats sooooo last Tuesday..sorry joking..but yeh we guessed that was whats going to happen.
The director has said he is focusing around this whole Will/Davy thing in the next one 🙂
well we guessed a bit differently..I think Davy's gonna be killed.. but the loss of Liz..and maybe if he also loses his father Is going to make Will cut out his own heart and become some disturbing unnatural creature...(anikin from star wars) he's going to lose everything thats dear to him and it's going to turn his heart into stone (not literally) *cough* Darth Veda *cough*!
come to think of it You might be right. Davy might convince him to cross over after Will loses everything..it would be like the Emperor in Star wars converting Anikin after he lost everything.
okay i know this is probably sooooooo last wednesday or somethin, but are we sure Lizzie's name is turner in the next one??? is that on every cast list, or just one? is it a mistake, or something put up to get everyone all excited? because if it were real and true, that would mean she and will would already be married or somethin at the start of the film. unless she is just his sis, which would make all those kissy moments real wierd...
You got almost the same job as me, I do Phone surveys blah. I also have to sell window cleaning once and a while. Damn hard job I say. Even if it is only for 4 or 5 hours. You think phones are fun lol. I think its just damn boring and bores the hell out of your mind you start singing "Flinstons meet the flinstones,... " The lady beside me was singing that and I totally understood how she felt lol.
Wait her last name is Turner in the cast list? Damnit that ruins everything if their not going for the brother sister thing.
Nah its still Swann looky here :
Originally posted by sweet_kat22
Sorry, I miss half the stuff on here because of work and it is REALLY hard to keep up with all of it so I just read the last few posts. Go get a job you land lovers 😛 Just kidding.
Actually you just picked up on something thats really interesting. It might be Jones who convinces Will to change after he has lost all he holds dear like Liz and even his Father. It reminded me of Anikin in star wars losing his mother and everything he held dear..and Darth Sidius converts him.
PotC is pretty much mirroring alot of what happens in the star wars saga lol. especially the Hans Solo/ Layah thing 😂
fanatics of star wars who have watched the latest PotC are saying that its basically a carbon copy of episode 5... but involving pirates 😂
which means...Jack/Will brother and sister?
Hey, i think i can't agree with the hypothesis of Liz becoming a pirate because, though she is obssesed with piracy, she has a big sense of moral and ,even though she is attracted to Jack, i believe she wants to find someone that loves her truly and who marries her... and Jack... well.. he is a pirate 🙁 How much freedom its to much freedom for the lady? She will stay by his side, she 'll be one of his girls? .... no.., i'm sorry i cant see it ---> PERSUADE ME ! hehe
2 argument--->> it's Disney!! T_T i don't think she'll end with Jack, unfortunately 🙁 🙁
Major pirate of the caribbean 3 spoiler
hey, i found out that jack is found in this sandy place full of crabs(davy jone's locker). will, liz and barbossa go to the orient and meet a pirate called sao feng. they get a ship(more like a shipwreck) called hai peng. they sail off the edge of the world to find jack. somewhere along the line liz is kidnapped by sao feng.
P.S. hey stop me if i'm wrong, i'm just spitballing here but isn't this the same story happening again. will, liz, jack--davy, his ex fiance, and whoeva she ran of wit.
will was set to marry liz, davy was set to marry his fiance. both women have fallen in love wit another man.
P.P.S. if liz's dad is killed she would totally have to stay wit jack coz her life in port royal is over. but will jack take her bac i mean she did chain him to his ship?
I know I'm new here, but I've been reading, and I just had to share my thoughts. I'm not convinced of Liz/Jack or Liz/Will, just because I think the directors/writers have set us up for that. It surprises me that everyone assumed she would go for Jack in the first one. I thought he was the comic relief, sexy comic relief, but comic relief. The first one, in fact, seems to make it quite clear Will and Liz are the couple and Jack is more of a mentor to both of them, a teacher of "the pirate ways" to Will and as a confidante to Liz since it's her that he shares his deep feelings about what the Pearl means to him.
But in the second movie, they are apart and yeah, Will did kind of forget about her, and yeah, Jack can make any girl hot under the collar. And yes, I go nuts every time I see Liz lean in for a second kiss, but I think the big thing is the compass.
1. In the first movie, Norrington just notes it never points north, Jack wisely doesn't say anything. The first movie probably has the compass point towards the Pearl (I always thought Jack's leading lady was the Pearl)
2. In the second movie, Jack uses it and even asks himself "what do I really want?" I just feel that if the movie was going to imply without question that he was falling for Liz, he would have considered it was pointing to her. She wasn't technically married and he's a pirate, he could just go after her if he wanted her bad enough then.
3. True, she is the only one he lets in on the secret of the compass. I like that she is the one he is the most straight with.
4. Liz uses the compass and points in the direction of Jack...but they both assume it is the direction of the chest, and this could very well be.
5. Liz uses it again and sees it pointing to Jack. But, this is shortly after their famous conversation and I think it points to him to show what she really wants...to be a pirate. I think when they were on the island in the first one, she took seriously how much he loved his freedom and wanted something like it. He represents what she wants to be.
6. Liz uses it again and it seems to point to him, but he tells her she is sitting on the chest. I don't think he would have thought that unless it really was the chest he wanted most.