Originally posted by Bardiel13
I'm gonna have to draw the line at age. My liberalism only goes so far. 😛
thats cool. we can't agree on everything. but i'm glad we both agree about the family relationship thing. I definitely think that brothers and sisters and fathers and sons should have the right to get married if they want 2.
Originally posted by Dragonfist1982
thats cool. we can't agree on everything. but i'm glad we both agree about the family relationship thing. I definitely think that brothers and sisters and fathers and sons should have the right to get married if they want 2.
Originally posted by Bardiel13
Well, I'd have to draw the line there too 😂 Don't get me wrong, if it gets legalized, I'm not going to go on a rampage or anything, but you know. Incestual marriages have been outlawed in this country for a reason and if only gays get the right to incestual marriages, then that wouldn't be fair, now would it?
but why should gays and straights be limited to marriage, i'm bi an all, so i understand it from all sides. i don't think its fair for only gays and hetero's to have the right to marriage. everybody who wants to get 2 have the freedom to get married should be able to have it.
and it is possible for fathers and sons and daughters to love each other more than in a family relationship. the rules are just made to control people and make them slaves, not to prevent anarchy. as long as a person is human, they should have the right to marry who they want.
Originally posted by MyOwnMuse
THANK YOU Imperial_Samura for referencing my post...I've been trying to hunt down Redwolf whilst waving it on a few occasions now...Here is the link to the actual scientific paper(because I can post links now, yay!), published in the June 3, 2005 edition of Cell:
http://www.biol.sc.edu/~vogt/pdf/olf/Dros-courtship-neurocircuit-Stockinger-Dickson-etal-Cell-2005.pdfThis is kind of a mess to read through. Searching with the keywords "Drosophila sex gene Barry Dickson" in google will get you a number of hits for pop articles about the article. Here's one:
http://www.jsonline.com/story/?id=330840Enjoy. And, as I have already mentioned, if anyone has read any updates on that line of research, I would love to read them!
That's ok, and good work with the links.
Originally posted by Dragonfist1982
but why should gays and straights be limited to marriage, i'm bi an all, so i understand it from all sides. i don't think its fair for only gays and hetero's to have the right to marriage. everybody who wants to get 2 have the freedom to get married should be able to have it.and it is possible for fathers and sons and daughters to love each other more than in a family relationship. the rules are just made to control people and make them slaves, not to prevent anarchy. as long as a person is human, they should have the right to marry who they want.
Of course, I'm not denying that, but you realize that when relatives conceive a child, it's highly likely for it to be born with major defects. They have to remember, there are more fish in the sea that won't produce a child in poor health.
A also have my legal reasons for age limits. Of course everyone can love, but (legak-wise) marriage is a different matter.
Originally posted by Bardiel13
Of course, I'm not denying that, but you realize that when relatives conceive a child, it's highly likely for it to be born with major defects. They have to remember, there are more fish in the sea that won't produce a child in poor health.
A also have my legal reasons for age limits. Of course everyone can love, but (legak-wise) marriage is a different matter.
but people just started not having sex with their kids in modern times..people used to do it all the time in ancient rome, and homosexual marriage and marrying kids, boys and girls was legal in babylon and other ancient countries. all of those countries are gone now and destroyed, but all of the countries that were the most successful and had the least amount of sexually transmitted diseases allowed people to marry their own, to keep from spreading diseases and keep all the wealth in the family. i think with all of the genetic screening they have today its possible to marry your brother or sister, and still have a healthy kid.
Originally posted by Dragonfist1982
but people just started not having sex with their kids in modern times..people used to do it all the time in ancient rome, and homosexual marriage and marrying kids, boys and girls was legal in babylon and other ancient countries. all of those countries are gone now and destroyed, but all of the countries that were the most successful and had the least amount of sexually transmitted diseases allowed people to marry their own, to keep from spreading diseases and keep all the wealth in the family. i think with all of the genetic screening they have today its possible to marry your brother or sister, and still have a healthy kid.
Yes, that's true. Hey, if it has to happen, it has to happen. There's also my little "ick factor" on the topic of incest, but that's about it 😛
Originally posted by Bardiel13
Yes, that's true. Hey, if it has to happen, it has to happen. There's also my little "ick factor" on the topic of incest, but that's about it 😛
my mom's a milf..and my 12 year old sister is hot as sh*t. when she fully develops..she's going to be a little hotty, grandma's a bit too old though. but still not too ick 4 me. just depends on your sexual and physical preference. still this has nothing to do with a persons right to marriage. everyone deserves the right to marry who they love, regardless of their sexual orientaion to kids, family members, gender, etc, etc..etc..just keep it in the primate family, and your cool with me..
Originally posted by Dragonfist1982
so, not too ick 4 me. just depends on your sexual and physical preference.
Originally posted by Bardiel13
And also the fact that it's your dear ol' mum you're talking about 😂 I, along with the mahjority of people, have a huge mental block which renders my relatives unattractive to me. People can rave on and on how hot my mom/cousin/sister/aunt/grandma/what have you, but I'd just tilt my head and say "Meh... I dunno what you guys see..."
but see, that's just ur preference, its not abnormal to have sexual thoughts about your family members. people just like different things. i like apples. you like pears. we just have different preferences and the government should accomodate to our sexual preferences because its only fair because we both are having sex and in love, but we just have sex in different ways with different people.
Originally posted by Bardiel13
But, if people like you have dirty thought about your 12-year-old sister, that's fine with me. I still find it a tad... er... creepy, but what can I do, right?
Hey, are we off topic or what? 😛
dude..i never said i had a sexual though about her..i just said she's hot, and if i ever fell in love with her, i should have the right to marry her. it may sound sick to you, but love can't be limited by what people think. it has to do what it wants, and is not about self control. if you want something or you feel like you want to do something then you do it..that's what love is about.
Originally posted by Bardiel13
Of course, of course. You keep doing what you're doing and I'll keep doing what I do. Honestly, I don't care that much of incestual marriage gets legalized, beyond a momentary shudder. I'm not going to go on a campaign, like some people.
I guess, we should go back on topic, now. [/B]
thats cool at least your open minded than most. so would you want your 14 year old daughter marry your father if the law allowed her to?
Originally posted by Bardiel13
You mean would I marry my daughter if I were allowed to? Nope. I have that anti-incest mental block, remember. Every dirty thought I get about a relative, I get a shock. 😂
but see, by saying that having sex with your daughter is dirty your stating that theres something wrong with having those thoughts. your pushin your morality on me. would you support people like me if we wanted to get married to our relatives? i don't think so, cause its against your morality and what you believe in. that's not very liberal, it make you seem more like people who oppose gays getting married. so i guess your just like them, you think their should be some restrictions on people and what they can do. i think that people should have no restriction and be able to do what they want to do. if people can do what they want to do to anyone else, doesn't that mean that they are taking the rights away from someone else? i don't think so..but some people do..
Originally posted by Dragonfist1982
but see, by saying that having sex with your daughter is dirty your stating that theres something wrong with having those thoughts. your pushin your morality on me. would you support people like me if we wanted to get married to our relatives? i don't think so, cause its against your morality and what you believe in. that's not very liberal, it make you seem more like people who oppose gays getting married. so i guess your just like them, you think their should be some restrictions on people and what they can do. i think that people should have no restriction and be able to do what they want to do. if people can do what they want to do to anyone else, doesn't that mean that they are taking the rights away from someone else? i don't think so..but some people do..
I'm not pushing my morality on you. I'm simply stating that I wouldn't have sexd with my daughter, given the chance. I haven't told you once that incest itself it wrong, just that I think it's wrong. You don't have to think the same as me. Yes, I'll admit if one of my friends married his or her sibling, I'd be shocked, but I wouldn't stop being their friend.
And you misunderstood what I meant by "dirty." Dirty = sexual, not dirty = wrong. Now, I think gays should get married simply because there's no real reason why not. And given your reasoning, incest would be the same. However, incestual marriage is highly unlikely in the near future, simply because it probably unlikely that the family member would return that same love. Gays only like people of the same sex. People who like their relatives can still find other people attractive. Plus, if you think about it, the incestual couple to gay couple ratio is a bit uneven for the incest people.
Now, no matter how much you hate it, people are still going to object to gay marriage and incestual marriage. I can tell where they're coming from because, I can take their point of view on taboos. It doesn't mean I agree with them, always.