Originally posted by Flamboyant4Life
I'm pretty sure that tdtd said somewhere in a post in this forum that he was a "spammer." It was a thread where he was angry and calling everyone nerds. I wish I could find it. Oh and Exar Kun wins. I don't have the resources or proper knowledge to prove it. But if Janus, Illustrious or IKC were here they could.
Hey thanks for your opinion troll!
He said it here flamboyant. What is a spammer? Is that the same as an email marketer?
Here's the problem: We have quotes and intenetions from the people who matter. We have what you're taking as expressions of power when Yoda's showed us just as much in the Force. The problem is, Veitch overrules just about anyone else on the subject completely.
and Veitch also brings Lucas into this...it's a bit hard to argue with that
How does Veitch involve Lucas? Veitch's opinion is just that. And Yoda does not show nearly as much power. Thats the problem, we have a bunch of characters that show tremendous power with the ability in singles combat, and the we have the PT characters who show pretty much nothing but have text backing them up. And by nothing I mean nothing that suggests they would win a 1 v 1 match.
Veitch says that he believes that's what Lucas intended and we do know Lucas collaborated a bit with TOTJ on the creation of Kun and the Ancient Empire....including what The Ancients could and could not do.
and the EU books and comics show PLENTY of power for the PT characters...Yoda can literally reach out and make an opponent too dizzy to fight or see straight. He can slow a being's bodily functions down to death or stop their heart with Morichro. And if Yoda is on top of these guys, chances are there's a reason.
It isn't fact, you're assuming it's fact. One Jedi, an apprentice inquisitor no less, makes solar flares dance around without even trying and says he hopes he never has to destroy a sun like Sadow did...this book was written by KJA and his wife.
The issue is, those quotes determine power and fighting ability and when you have that quantified, you can make better judgements. The problem is, nothing the Ancients are shown doing are going to help them in a versus fight either...they won't have their ships, there won't be suns and we know they prefer their swords. We have one of the two authors of TOTJ clarifying that Yoda is definitely above Exar and the Ancients and saying that's what he believes Lucas intended.
And we have seen ample expressions of power from the PT Jedi, actually. You're just interpreting it in a different way. However, Mr. Veitch has chosen to interpret it another way and place Yoda above the Ancients and Exar Kun. He is an authority on this matter, and the other authorities seem to agree with him.
What you saw does not mean the Ancients are above the Jedi. You're choosing to assume that.
And I'll kindly remind you we never saw anythin from Ragnos...feat wars and all, remember?
First of all, Veitch's opinion is only an opinion. He can believe whatever he wants concerning what Lucas intended. Second of all, the ancient sith DO show abilities that would help them in a 1 v 1, the PT Jedi DONT. We can verbally fellate them with all the quotes in the world, but it won't mean they could win 1 v 1 fight.. Certain characters such as Exar Kun have clearly displayed their power, ESPECIALLY in 1 v 1 fights.. And nowhere did Tom Veitch says that Yoda>Ancient Sith. Assuming that email is true, he only puts him above Kun, which hardly means anything in a 1 v 1 duel which we already stated Kun would most likely win.
Veitch is also one of the authors of TOTJ, so his opinion counts for a lot and considering he worked with Lucas, what he says varries weight.
What abilities do the Ancint Sith show in one on one fights? In straight mano a mano duels, not a single Ancient uses a force ability beyond throwing a rock.
And no, Veitch put Yoda above the Ancients. It means Yoda is stronger and better than Kun, Yoda is on top. He put Yoda bvoe Kun AND the ancients.
The Ancients are simple not as great as you think they are and every single person we've consulted with authority on the matter seems to agree. If you can arguen with them an LFL, when one of them has said it's apparently what LUCAS HIMSELF intended when he worked on tOTJ with them...When every bit of material shwpos Yoda as a monster in combat and with the Force...The Ancient Sith showed us some sword movies, that's it.
Seriously, I'm starting to get a bit annoyed. This is it, Yoda>The Ancients. Just accept they're not as great as you think they are because 'That Text' is canonically, licensed, review and approved material. And now we have one of the authors clarifying.
Power and skill mean a lot in a one on one duel. This is done. Wait for Nai, now
Lucas didn't make that statement, Veitch did. Veitch also had nothing to do with Yoda, so his opinion is just an opinion. A good example would be if KJA ever made the statement that Kun>Ragnos. It would be his personal opinion(false), nothing more. What Lucas says is absolute fact..
You can get annoyed for all I care, but Yoda>Kun does NOT mean Yoda>Ancient Sith. You're just making up nonsense now with your assumptions.. NONE of the authorities you have emailed or have emailed you back say ANYTHING about anyone being greater than the ancients, so pleas don't make things up. I know you want to believe it but until someone credible says it, it's YOUR opinion. And in this versus thread we have offered evidence of Kun's superiority over Yoda, while you have simply offered text/opinions from writers.. Your arguments defeat the purpose of this forum, while we have shown why Kun>Yoda in a 1 v 1 fight more often than not.
And Veitch said it's what he believes Lucas intended, which I doubt he'd say if he didn't have backing. Someting you need to realize is Veitch is an author and creator...and KJA is as well, stop saying their opinions are false when THEY CREATED THE CHARACTERS.
And now you're wrong: http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image3ix7.jpg
Kun AND the Ancients. I've argued right back as to why Yoda'd win and proven it with canonical text. I don't care if it 'defeats the purpose', the purpose of a debate is to win.
What IS credible? KJA and Veitch created the characters, they're not credible? They created those Ancient Sith and their abilities, they know more about THEIR characters next to Yoda than you so how dare you presume to say their opinions on these issues are false? Tom Veitch is a writer and helped create the Ancient Sith and Exar Kun, how on earth can you say his opinion means ntohing? Would you tell Tolkien he's wrong about Melkor being stronger than the other Valar? You're arguing witht he creators. That's egotistical and plain wrong.
For the final time: That text is canonical and those opinions are from people paid by LFL to write. They mean quite a lot. I can't help it if your opinion is incorrect. I think we both know if the response said Yoda is nothing to the Ancients, you'd be happily using it in your argument
Sorry bro, but if Veitch says that's what he believed Lucas wanted, then it means absolutely nothing. And now for the final time, i'm sick of your bullshit emails. I gave you the benefit of the doubt but seems everytime you are at the end of your ropes, you magically have an email provided for that specific case.
#1. If he believes that's what Lucas intended, it's his opinion, nothing more..
#2. Again I find it convenient that whenever you want to end a conversation you magically provide an email and claim TV answers you instantly, while I'm still waiting for yesterday's response.. Makes REAL sense...
#3. Assuming it's not bullshit which at this point it's too hard to believe that it's not, his opinion has no bearing on 1 v 1 fights. On this forum we argue logically, while you throw around text to prove some point. Which point is that? Because Yoda>Kun according to the opinion of 1 guy then automatically Yoda>Kun in a 1 on 1 fight? Sorry lightsnake but just because you're a fan of PT doesn't make it so.
Veitch is also saying without doubt that Yoda tops the others. You asked for an email clarifying it, I gave it to you.
He also worked with Lucas on this, why do you ignore it? He's the CREATOR-co-creator, whatever- of TOTJ, his opinion on the matter
I got another email from him, his official email address, return text and everything. Maybe it;s convenient because I sent him an email regarding the debate in question?
I'm afraid his opinion does have bearing. He helped to create these characters, he is an authority on them. You know who that 'one guy' is ' One of the two men who wrote DLOTS, one of the men who created Kun and the Ancients...he knows more on this subject than you do, he GAVE the Ancients their powers, he was one of the two who created Kun, and his powers, one of the men who was given DEFINITIONS of what a Dark Lord of the Sith could and COULD NOT DO. He is fully an authority on this issue and you know why? His name is on the books, he believes that Yoda tops the Ancients, he knows more on this than you and how DARE you try to say you know more about TOTJ and the Ancients than the men who created them?
I'm sorry, but this ends here and now. We have it in their opinions, we have it from LFL published canon and we have it from one of the man who gave the TOTJ era life...you keep saying I hate TOTJ and want ton bring it down...I have the creator of TOTJ on record now, does he hate TOTJ too?
