Exar Kun vs. Yoda

No, it's convenient that the minute you go on the defensive, he sends you an email. And it's more convenient that he would ignore my email and answer yours considering I sent him 2 emails a few hours before that one. And I thought I told you to provide conclusive emails, so it's very convenient that it's changed around afterwards. Guess what though, I can also do what that email dictates. And I'm sorry but you're wrong. On this forum we argue logically about who would win in a 1 on 1 fight. You don't just come in with "well there is text that this guy is the shit, the end". That has no bearing on a 1 on 1 fight, nor does Veitch opinion. Just because you want to BELIEVE his opinion is fact, doesn't make it so.

Oh yea, not to mention that if that email is indeed real, there is no mention of Veitch saying Yoda>Ancient sith, he just states that he BELIEVES that was Lucas' intention. How the hell is that definitive? Oh because YOU want to believe it?

I've been in touch with him for a bit now, and he ignored me at first, too. Yeah, I got a conclusive email, so too bad for your side? This is pointless mud slinging, want I forward Motoko the email so she can tell you if it's fake or not?

Get over it. The text is canon. It says something and that something is. It has bearing, because it means someone is stronger.

Listen to you! You're discounting the opinion of one of the men who WROTE TOTJ!

lol you were probably kind of rude to him on your email. Maybe that's why he isn't replying.

1.) If he indeed does believe that's what Lucas intending, then I'd trust him on the matter. It's really authority versus not-authority. While true it is his opinion, and it doesn't mean it's right (and they can be wrong); it's just the matter that he's actually in league with LFL. On top of that he wrote some of the TOTJ books.

2.) I can't respond to this (as I'm not Lightsnake), but I don't think he'd make it up in the first place, and then actually show it if it was false.

3.) I'd think Veitch knows more than everyone on this forum (seeing as he works for LFL), and the fact he played a part in the creation of TOTJ also speaks well for his knowledge on the matter. Like I said, I'd trust his opinion over anyone's here unless they've actually made a logical argument for the opposition (like Palpatine being "strongest Lord in history", I never believed that), but I haven't seen anything firmly supporting Kun > Yoda (as much as I'd like to believe it).

Originally posted by Lightsnake
I've been in touch with him for a bit now, and he ignored me at first, too. Yeah, I got a conclusive email, so too bad for your side? This is pointless mud slinging, want I forward Motoko the email so she can tell you if it's fake or not?

Get over it. The text is canon. It says something and that something is. It has bearing, because it means someone is stronger.

Listen to you! You're discounting the opinion of one of the men who WROTE TOTJ!

Text being canon has no bearing on 1 v 1, get over it. And opinion=/fact, you seem to fail that.

And you know what's funny? Yesterday I told you your shit is 100% fake if the question/answer is not provided, so today you AND Tom both conveniently post the question and answer? You're right though I really shouldn't be judging your emails whether fake or not, considering I can the exact same thing that is in them. The fact of the matter is, nowhere does it state that Yoda>Ancient Sith, and unless you get a quote from Lucas, all you have is Tom's opinion that it was what LUCAS wanted. So which one is it lightsnake, first it was TOM who believed it, but when you "magically" clarified the question, Tom said nothing about his opinion on the matter, instead saying it was Lucas wanted". Get your bullshit straight.

Originally posted by Motoko Sama
1.) If he indeed does believe that's what Lucas intending, then I'd trust him on the matter. It's really authority versus not-authority. While true it is his opinion, and it doesn't mean it's right (and they can be wrong); it's just the matter that he's actually in league with LFL. On top of that he wrote some of the TOTJ books.

2.) I can't respond to this (as I'm not Lightsnake), but I don't think he'd make it up in the first place, and then actually show it if it was false.

Hey sama, look at the emails. I gave lightsnake the benefit of the doubt yesterday. The fact that he posed the same question and rather clarified it, and the fact that supposedly Tom said one thing that first time(what he believes), and the next time he threw it over Lucas, is convenient, and coincidental. I'm just now waiting for Lightsnake to post yet another email of Tom saying "Yes Yoda would defeat Exar Kun in a 1 on 1 battle"

3.) I'd think Veitch knows more than everyone on this forum (seeing as he works for LFL), and the fact he played a part in the creation of TOTJ also speaks well for his knowledge on the matter. Like I said, I'd trust his opinion over anyone's here unless they've actually made a logical argument for the opposition (like Palpatine being "strongest Lord in history", I never believed that), but I haven't seen anything firmly supporting Kun > Yoda (as much as I'd like to believe it).

When the text states someone is stronger, than it has bearing. Just stop it....for years and years in Star Wars, 'text'-meaning anything written- has determined the path of canon. It's all backing Yoda up, even one of the men who created Exar Kun!

And this is just sour grapes...you're lashing out at my email because it disproves you 100 percent...you said yesterday that my emails were real but I faked the question...now it's 'they're fake'...newsflash, they're from [email protected]...the email address listed on his site!

For the last time, you're trying to say the opinion of a creator of TOTJ means nothing! He helped create Kun and the Ancients and he just put Yoda above them! I also have Tom clarifying what he meant!

What will it take?! Do I have to call Veitch and record the conversation?! Does Lucas need to come to your house and give you a certified, signed statement with the pope as a witness?

Lightsnake, for the last time, Veitch saying what he belives Lucas' intentions were is meaningless in a versus debate. Him possibly stating that Yoda is on top ALSO means nothing for a 1 v1 debate. There has been NUMEROUS proof that shows Exar Kun is more powerful than Yoda, while the only thing you have to rest on is "someone said this and that", which again means nothing in a 1 on 1 debate.

Veitch ALSO clarified that he meant Yoda was on top of Kun and the Ancients, are you ignoring that?

And no, when you take into account you've yet to show ANY OF THAT PROOF...In one on one fights, Kun has never used anything but his saber...Nai even argued against you! Veitch is arguing against you! Veitch is telling you what he thinks Lucas thinks and considering Lucas worked with him AND defined the parameters, I think that should count for something!

Once again, one of the men who created Kun is saying he's beneath Yoda. Do I need Tom Veitch's voice recordings and dental records?

There isn't proof. There's nothing canon but how you interpreted it. You're never going to change your opinion, even if Lucas yelled it outside your house with a megaphone...

You know something? The man who said this and that helped create Exar Kun. The men who said this and that work for Lucasfilm. The men who said this and that WRITE THE BOOKS

Clarified that? Really? I'm reading your "email" now... Nice making stuff up.. And I have shown a LOT of proof.. What you have done is everytime your argument gets shredded, you think providing an email is going to save your argument. Problem with that is your emails state absolutely nothing about the ancient sith, and nothing about how character X would fare against character Y

WHAT?!
Me: Clarification, when you said Yoda was on top did you mean next to Kun AND THE ANCIENTS
Tom: Yes. I believe that was Yoda's intention.

What else would I have meant, the Ancient Israelites?!

Originally posted by Lightsnake
In one on one fights, Kun has never used anything but his saber

Well if you count his 'fight' with Odan-Urr, he used the force.

Why are you making shit up? The email specifically states "Yes I believe that was Lucas' intention". WHERE does that even remotely state that Veitch believes Yoda>Ancient Sith, or Veitch believes ANYTHING, since the email is clear that he's referring to GL

Yes, thank you, Nebaris...of course here, time is of the essence

So what you have proven is what Tom Veitch THINKS, which has no bearing on a 1 v 1 fight, and which has nothing to do with an ancient sith. Congratulations lightsnake. Are you going to do this everytime you don't have an argument?

Wjhy do you just not get that as the co-creator of Tales of the Jedi, which includes Kun and by proxy the Ancient Sith that his opinion this matter means quite a bit asthe designer of their character and powers, he knows exactly who they can and cannot defeat and as he said Yoda is definitely on the top, there was no 'close to', no 'maybe' it;s 'definitely' from one of the creators of TOTJ. In other words: Authority.

If we were debating, I dunno....Legolas vs. gimli and JRR Tolkien said to you "Legolas is definitely better."

his opinion would mean nothing?

His opinion of TOTJ, his lack of having anything to do with Yoda, him unable to clarify what is relevant: who would win in a 1 v 1 battle, his lack of mentioning the anicent sith. Please provide your own arguments, which you haven't. If you want authors arguing for you, have them come here and do it.

The problem is, he helped make them and he thinks they aren't as strong as Yoda. And what the hell, he mentiomned the Ancients! I asked him if he meant Kun AND THE ANCIENTS.

And he responded with "YES I THINK THATS WHAT LUCAS INTENDED". Where the hell is HIS opinion here exactly? And WHAT bearing does this have on 1 v 1?

You miss where he said in the last email Yoda is definitely on top? And how he said 'yes' in response to 'did you mean?'

and it means Yoda is better than the aforementioned, being as 'he's on top of them.' And one of their creators thinks so