Originally posted by jaden101
you cant prove something that is happening now...with a book written nearly 2000 years ago...that does not compute
although i fear i am about to be bombarded with pointless scripture that was written by people who never saw God sitting with jesus having a bit of a yarn about the folk "down there"
My point exactly 😉 and it appears I wasn't off base with that point.
Originally posted by jaden101
a typo...i'm going to hell😄
ok...we live in an age where we have the technology to record stuff...why not get some of his words of infinite wisdom on a disc and amaze the world?
Well, let's see now...the Bible is recorded on CD and MP3--would that suffice!? No....? Friend the reason that God chooses to remain invisible is because without "faith" it is impossible to please Him. What pleases you? Sin, premarital sex, drugs, alcohol, and all kinds of other weird things? Well faith pleases God. He just loves it when we take Him at His word and believe what He says without proof. He knows that He could easily do all that we ask, but He wants us to trust Him. Have you ever pleaded with someone to let you do something or have something, and to just trust you? I know I have. I asked people to trust me about things. Some people were skeptical until they trusted me and then they saw that I made good on my word. It is perhaps the same situation with God. He wants to show us that He will make good on His Word if we just trust Him.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Well, let's see now...the Bible is recorded on CD and MP3--would that suffice!? No....? Friend the reason that God chooses to remain invisible is because without "faith" it is impossible to please Him. What pleases you? Sin, premarital sex, drugs, alcohol, and all kinds of other weird things? Well faith pleases God. He just loves it when we take Him at His word and believe what He says without proof. He knows that He could easily do all that we ask, but He wants us to trust Him. Have you ever pleaded with someone to let you do something or have something, and to just trust you? I know I have. I asked people to trust me about things. Some people were skeptical until they trusted me and then they saw that I made good on my word. It is perhaps the same situation with God. He wants to show us that He will make good on His Word if we just trust Him.
How do you trust someone you don't know exists ?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No. There are many false gods but only One, True God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The living God who is the Father of Jesus. This is the True God.But this is not the case in Islam. Their god Allah cannot be the same God as the Christian God because in the Koran it is recored that Allah denies having a son. But the Bible states in a multitude of places that God does have a Son. Jesus even stated that God is His Father. Don't believe me? Let's take a look at the Koran. The Koran is organized into "Surahs" instead of by chapter and verse like the Bible.
Read:
Surah 4:171 O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One God. [B]Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son.
His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.Surah 6:101 The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a child, when there is for Him no consort, when He created all things and is Aware of all things ?
Surah 18:4,5 And to warn those who say: Allah hath chosen a son, (A thing) whereof they have no knowledge, nor (had) their fathers, Dreadful is the word that cometh out of their mouths. They speak naught but a lie.
Heavy, heavy contradiction. They are not the same god. God is God, Allah is "a" false god. There are many false gods and Allah is just one of the many gods who are false. The True God does have a Son and His Name is a Name that is above every name. That Name is Jesus! [/B]
As i said before Allah is not the "same" God and the only controdiction you found is based on that Qur'an is not simillar to Bible, way to go.
Jesus is not son of God but his prophet and you just can't take it because you mind doesn't goes further than lines of Bible. Christians simply forgot that in time so there is no controdictions here, Allah is NOT the same God as Gog of christians, God of christians was Allah and Jesus his prophet long before they forgot it and misinterpreted things in time.
Want to talk about controdictions? Ok, how is it came that christians believe in only ONE God but at the same time you have God-son and God-father? How it came that God died for sins of humans because he wanted them to be forgivven? If he is God then there was no point for him to die only to forgive people. So?
JIS you do not deserve to have name "Jesus" in your nickname.
Originally posted by jaden101the Romans for example were the most powerful and civilised and knowledgable nation of the earth
Er thats not true actually they were probably the most barbaric, thats a misconception that they created as an excuse to oppress and destroy other cultures.
Originally posted by jaden101
even though no-one actually believes in them now
Thats not true I belive in them and there lots of people who still honour the norse gods. The religon is callled asatru or heathenism.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Er thats not true actually they were probably the most barbaric, thats a misconception that they created as an excuse to oppress and destroy other cultures.
Um. Don't know which history you studied. Don't confuse things like gladiators, war machines, and prostitution with barbarism.
You realize these people WERE civilization? Steam power, Aqueducts built at constant slopes for 25 miles? The most advanced art until the Reniassance?
You don't know Rome.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Well, let's see now...the Bible is recorded on CD and MP3--would that suffice!? No....? Friend the reason that God chooses to remain invisible is because without "faith" it is impossible to please Him. What pleases you? Sin, premarital sex, drugs, alcohol, and all kinds of other weird things? Well faith pleases God. He just loves it when we take Him at His word and believe what He says without proof. He knows that He could easily do all that we ask, but He wants us to trust Him. Have you ever pleaded with someone to let you do something or have something, and to just trust you? I know I have. I asked people to trust me about things. Some people were skeptical until they trusted me and then they saw that I made good on my word. It is perhaps the same situation with God. He wants to show us that He will make good on His Word if we just trust Him.
is the bible recorded on CD actually recorded by God?....no...its recorded typically by a struggling actor who needs the cash
you say God speaks to you....seeing as when someone speaks...it makes an audible sound....i want you to record this audible sound...you are so convinced God is real and speaks to you and you have the ability and means to prove it....yet you cant...i wonder why
Originally posted by Alliance
Um. Don't know which history you studied. Don't confuse things like gladiators, war machines, and prostitution with barbarism.You realize these people WERE civilization? Steam power, Aqueducts built at constant slopes for 25 miles? The most advanced art until the Reniassance?
You don't know Rome.
Have a look at this link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Jones%27_Barbarians
" So you think you know everything about the Romans? They gave us sophisticated road systems, chariots and the modern-day calendar. And of course they had to contend with barbarian hordes who continually threatened the peace, safety and prosperity of their Empire. Didn't they?
Terry Jones' Barbarians takes a completely fresh approach to Roman history. Not only does it offer us the chance to see the Romans from a non-Roman perspective, it also reveals that most of the people written off by the Romans as uncivilized, savage and barbaric were in fact organized, motivated and intelligent groups of people, with no intentions of overthrowing Rome and plundering its Empire.
In his new book and the accompanying four-part BBC Two television series Terry Jones argues that we have been sold a false history of Rome that has twisted our entire understanding of our own history. Terry asks what did the Romans ever do for us?
This is the story of Roman history as seen by the Britons, Gauls, Germans, Greeks, Persians and Africans. The Vandals didn't vandalize - the Romans did. The Goths didn't sack Rome - the Romans did. Attila the Hun didn't go to Constantinople to destroy it, but because the Emperor's daughter wanted to marry him. And far from civilizing the societies they conquered the Romans often destroyed much of what they found.
Terry Jones travels round the geography of the Roman Empire and through 700 years of history - bringing wit, irreverence, passion and the very latest scholarship to transform our view of the legacy of the Roman Empire and the creation of the modern world.
Welcome to history from a different point of view."
Look at this link too.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4049824897297930083&q=Terry+Jones+The+Barbarians
Originally posted by Alfheim
Welcome to history from a different point of view."
Well, just because he has a differen't point of view, doesn't make it history. And "Roman history as seen by the Britons, Gauls, Germans, Greeks, Persians and Africans" is just as narrow a perspective as the "Roman" one that he is trying to attack. So, at least, he is a hypocrite in his theoretical approach to history.
And I'm so glad he can bring "wit" to history...his time in Monty Python should have helped that.
I have been unable to find any scholarly criticism on Terry Jones' Barbarians, so I will off hold judgement on him for now, as I relly don't want to spend an hour watching overdramatic television.
Though I will say, treachery, schorched earth campaigns, conquering and murder should not be construed as barbarianism. Barbarian describes a type of culture, one unable to blossom into a civilized society.
Often times neighboring areas did not threaten Rome's security, and propoganda was installed (take Cato and the Third Punic War), that is not barbarism at all, and modern Historians DONT buy into it. If there is a rebellion in Corinth, of course the Romans will percieve it as a threat, and level the city as they did in 146 BCE.
Due to the nature of the Roman military pay structure under the Marian reforms, and the nature of their tax system, the only way to keep the economy flowing was to continuously expand. Its not a coincidence that the Empire started to suffer major problems one Hadrian instituted his policy of non-expansion.
Now, if you really feel that this warrants further discussion, you can pm me, or start a thread in the History forum, because it will not be further discussed here.
Originally posted by Alliance
Well, just because he has a differen't point of view, doesn't make it history. And "Roman history as seen by the Britons, Gauls, Germans, Greeks, Persians and Africans" is just as narrow a perspective as the "Roman" one that he is trying to attack. So, at least, he is a hypocrite in his theoretical approach to history.And I'm so glad he can bring "wit" to history...his time in Monty Python should have helped that.
I have been unable to find any scholarly criticism on Terry Jones' Barbarians, so I will off hold judgement on him for now, as I relly don't want to spend an hour watching overdramatic television.
Though I will say, treachery, schorched earth campaigns, conquering and murder should not be construed as barbarianism. Barbarian describes a type of culture, one unable to blossom into a civilized society.
Often times neighboring areas did not threaten Rome's security, and propoganda was installed (take Cato and the Third Punic War), that is not barbarism at all, and modern Historians DONT buy into it. If there is a rebellion in Corinth, of course the Romans will percieve it as a threat, and level the city as they did in 146 BCE.
Due to the nature of the Roman military pay structure under the Marian reforms, and the nature of their tax system, the only way to keep the economy flowing was to continuously expand. Its not a coincidence that the Empire started to suffer major problems one Hadrian instituted his policy of non-expansion.
Now, if you really feel that this warrants further discussion, you can pm me, or start a thread in the History forum, because it will not be further discussed here.
Ive started a new thread in the history forum
Originally posted by Sam Z
As i said before Allah is not the "same" God and the only controdiction you found is based on that Qur'an is not simillar to Bible, way to go.
Jesus is not son of God but his prophet and you just can't take it because you mind doesn't goes further than lines of Bible. Christians simply forgot that in time so there is no controdictions here, Allah is NOT the same God as Gog of christians, God of christians was Allah and Jesus his prophet long before they forgot it and misinterpreted things in time.
Want to talk about controdictions? Ok, how is it came that christians believe in only ONE God but at the same time you have God-son and God-father? How it came that God died for sins of humans because he wanted them to be forgivven? If he is God then there was no point for him to die only to forgive people. So?
JIS you do not deserve to have name "Jesus" in your nickname.
At some point I have to just shake my head and keep on moving because with all due respect Sam Z your post is not rational, sensible, Scriptural, or thought out. You just seem to post from emotion and nothing else. Show some intelligence in your post. My bad if this offends you.
Why do you keep calling me JIS? Again, this is more proof of what I just said.