Interesting choice>I like the way you did your research and how you give meaning to your choices.
Though, I do not agree with all...(no need for explaining my choices).
People, what Nebaris is talking about is "Force Potential">>>the potency of becoming a headstrong and powerful jedi/sith from young age.
You could say the same thing about Windu or Yoda from a young age point of view.
Make a list and take it 50 years into the past!
1.Windu
2.Qui Gon
3...etc.....
4......etc
Originally posted by kamikz
Where did you get that info then?
z0mg!!!//!!!11
I f*cking made it up! I'm a liar! It was all just an elaborate ruse!
Just kidding, of course.
I got the information from Star Wars: The Phantom Menace novelization, written by Terry Brooks. It says "Darth Maul was a warrior in his prime, never to be any better, his powers at their apex."
Given it says that he wasn't to get any better ever, and his powers reached their highest peak (apex), I'm inclined to believe it. So, it would mean that Sidious, Yoda, Mace, Depa, and Tyranus would all be in front of him, since they are all more powerful than TPM Maul (and yes, in this case power = potential).
Originally posted by Sith'ari
I don't believe that. Maul was only 24, he could have only gotten better. I just don't trust novelisations anymore.
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
As absurd as it sounds, it's written in a canon source, and there's nothing that contradicts it. I don't like the way it sounds either, but it is canon, and I don't argue with that.
'"Darth Maul was a warrior in his prime, never to be any better, his powers at their apex."'
Coming to think about it, this quote really doesn't mean anything; a warrior in his prime - the best he has ever been (not ever will be - even if it meant ever will be, that is because the fact that he would soon die is being taken into consideration), never to be any better - he would never get any better (because he would soon die), his powers at their apex - his powers at the highest point that they have ever been (not ever will be - even if it meant ever will be, that is because the fact that he would soon die is being taken into consideration). This really doesn't actually say that he reached full potential. I'm actually surprised I didn't already notice it.
My god...
...I didn't think it was possible to be that stupid.
Here, I'll take you through the meanings, why you are wrong, and I'll use the dictionary to help (as you don't seem to understand, and like to argue with facts).
Originally posted by Sith'ari
Coming to think about it, this quote really doesn't mean anything; a warrior in his prime - the best he has ever been (not ever will be),
The best he ever will be is his prime. Do you know this?
prime ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prm)
First in excellence, quality, or value. See Usage Note at perfect.
First in degree or rank; chief. See Synonyms at chief.
First or early in time, order, or sequence; original.
Of the highest U.S. government grade of meat.
Mathematics. Of, relating to, or being a prime number.
Prime means highest in quality, and/or excellence. Which means that at no other time will Maul become greater than he will be in TPM.
The earliest hours of the day; dawn.
The first season of the year; spring.
The age of ideal physical perfection and intellectual vigor.
Third line especially, and here we turn to the quick definition, also known as the thesaurus:
Main Entry: prime
Part of Speech: noun 1
Definition: best
Yes, care to argue with the dictionary? "A warrior in his prime" translates to "Maul during his best point".
QED.
never to be any better - he would never get any better (because he would soon die),
It wasn't written so as you knew what happened later, it was telling you in the now; not with future reference, but in the now. Point moot. It says he would "never be any better", ergo he won't be. Adding to the points above, and this collapses as well. Your argument is falling apart.
his powers at their apex - his powers at the highest point that they have ever been (not ever will be).
"At their apex"
Again, I'll turn to the dictionary for dictiopwange:
a·pex ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pks)
n. pl. a·pex·es or a·pi·ces (p-sz, p-)
The highest point; the vertex: the apex of a triangle; the apex of a hill.
The point of culmination. See Synonyms at summit.
Sadly, since apex means the highest point (the being keyword), no other point in Maul's life could ever surpass that. Oh, and if you'll notice it says "the point of culmination", and I bolded "culmination". Why? It furthers proves my point, and you wrong:
cul·mi·nate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (klm-nt)
v. intr. cul·mi·nat·ed, cul·mi·nat·ing, cul·mi·nates
To reach the highest point or degree; climax: habitual antagonism that culminated in open hostility.
To come to completion; end: Years of waiting culminated in a tearful reunion.
So, you see. Combining this with the previous two points - you're wrong, and you cannot argue with the dictionary, adding to the fact that all these points perfectly add up to mean that TPM was Maul's summit of power.
This really doesn't actually say that he reached full potential.
Actually not. You just completely showed us how stupid you sound, and considering the dictionary itself just handed you your ass - you're wrong, but you're always welcome to argue with facts, canon material, and try to make stuff up, and lie. Horrible tactics when you have a dictionary, established facts (word meanings), and me going against you.
I'm actually surprised I didn't already notice it.
That you're incompetence knows no bounds? Or that you try to argue everything for the sake of it, and still get owned?
Originally posted by Sith'ariAnother round of shit? Whoop-dii-f*cking-doo.
Coming to think about it, this quote really doesn't mean anything;
Originally posted by Sith'ari'"Darth Maul was a warrior in his prime, never to be any better, his powers at their apex."'
a warrior in his prime - the best he has ever been (not ever will be - even if it meant ever will be,
Originally posted by Sith'ariHis death is not to be taken into consideration because it speaks of present tense, not to allude as to his death. Advent's handled this point, I feel no need to repeat the definitions for you; which I've memorized.
that is because the fact that he would soon die is being taken into consideration), never to be any better - he would never get any better (because he would soon die), his powers at their apex - his powers at the highest point that they have ever been (not ever will be - even if it meant ever will be, that is because the fact that he would soon die is being taken into consideration). This really doesn't actually say that he reached full potential.
Originally posted by Sith'ari
I'm actually surprised I didn't already notice it.
Originally posted by Sith'ari
You know, there is such a thing as being concise. And you're wrong. I don't need to get in a 20 page argument with you to prove that.
You are truly the epitome of idiocy. I reserved that title for Medvock, I believe, but I'll have to force him to pass the crown to you. I just proved you wrong, so how can I be wrong? Check your spectacles, my friend, you were completely destroyed and pwned by facts, logic, and everything in between.
You're saying that I'm wrong, but you cannot disprove the dictionary, you cannot disprove canon, you cannot disprove facts. Simple as that, if I were wrong, you would be debating heavily. When we had the disagreement about Crado, who is a minor speck, and doesn't matter at all, you went into a full-blown debate.
I pwned you, Saboteur pwned you, the dictionary pwned you, but I'm wrong? Lol. Sorry, son, you just got your ass handed to you.
Originally posted by Advent
What does Ush have to do with anything? I just whooped your ass.And, I doubt he's stupid enough to argue with the dictionary. And if he is - if he goes the route you did - I'll be forced to own him (and no, Ush, don't take that offensively), but it's [b]highly
doubtful he'd do that. [/B]
Ush is leagues above any of the SW debaters. You would never be able to own him, so please don't be silly. And what does he have to do with anything? Well I'm pretty sure that he's an English professor, while English isn't even your first language (I presume), and seeing as how your whole argument is dependant on your interpretation of the English Language, if he disagrees with you, that's all I need.
I think it should be pointed out that the passage almost certainly refers to Maul's physique, not his skill or force power.
It is, of course, a central tenet of Star Wars that these are things that improve into old age, so long as you keep them up. Else the passage simply makes no sense. When you describe someone as being at their peak like that, it is meant physically.
Besides, the passage was only there to show QGJ's thoughts- that before him was a damn fine warrior. It is not a categorical and undeniable God-given statement that Maul could never improve, which is obviously silly.
Originally posted by Sith'ari
I think it should be pointed out that the passage almost certainly refers to Maul's physique, not his skill or force power.
His powers are at their apex. Powers is plural, it wouldn't mean "physique", and given it says "A warrior in his prime", it has no indicaton of "physique". How do you even gather that out of the statement?
'A Warrior in his prime' means physically. Sorry, that's actually pretty obvious.
I am afraid the sentence is worthless in any other interpretation because it is plainly not true in the Star Wars universe that your powers cannot improve into old age, nor could QGJ definitvely declare that even if that was his intent.