Top 10 Most Force Potential (From The Movies and CW Cartoons)

Originally posted by Escape81
Based on what we know, it seems to be the only options.

One to two feet? I would recommend reviewing the fight again.

Palpatine ripped three pods from their moorings, and tossed them into the air, behind him, giving them extra momentum when he threw them at Yoda. No, it was several meters.
Also, after the final pod was thrown, Sidious was so wrapped up in his amusement, that he was not paying attention, nor did he take the fight seriously at all. If you'd like to go on expressions, when he finally did pay attention - the curious tick of the head and the "eh?" that he muttered seemed to hint at confusion, at how Yoda managed to stop it and throw it back.

Ok I reviewed the it again and it was higher than 1-2 feet. However I disagree with your interpretation that Sidious was amused. My argument is that even though Sidious threw down 3 pods at a time, the fact is Yoda stopped it, defying gravity, and threw it back at Sidious, defying gravity. At this point I interpretated the next scene as Sidious NOT having the ability to stop it, which if the case, shows Yoda has more control over the force at this point in time.

Yoda starts off, grimacing in pain and effort, with Sidious once again laughing. This seems to piss Yoda off, so he starts to move the lightning back, and then Sidious gets the "I'm screwed" look.

And, as I've already proven, this does not determine Yoda's superiority. For the vast majority of that scene, Palpatine had the advantage, and was overpowering Yoda. Only at the last moment did Yoda manage to act, and all he did was simply push the coiled energy directly in between them - which explains why both of them were knocked back by the shockwaves.[/quote

I don't see Sidious laughing, I see Sidious trying as hard as he possibly could. I also don't see how you interpret that as "the vast majority of that scene". It looked pretty even in terms of time, and even though Yoda begame grimacing, he got very serious really quick, which at that point Sidious was screwed. The absorption was more than just a "moment".

[QUOTE=7081606]Considering how he was cited as such in EU sourcebooks, that's a poor assessment.

That's not the point, I have yet to see any of you explain any of these quotes, instead choosing to hide behind them because they suit you. I'd like to know how he was the most powerful sith lord in history when his arsenal didn't go past force lightning. In ANY of the movies.

And finally, you keep talking about Yoda stalemating Sidious in his prime. Keep in mind that he stalemated him while being on unfair ground for the better part of the fight. He clearly disarmed him and shot his force lightning back at him on even ground so Yoda was better than Sidious by ROTS. Now again in terms of force potential, obviously ROTJ or DE Sidious were the best. Saber combat like you said would be TPM or ROTS..

Ok I reviewed the it again and it was higher than 1-2 feet. However I disagree with your interpretation that Sidious was amused. My argument is that even though Sidious threw down 3 pods at a time, the fact is Yoda stopped it, defying gravity, and threw it back at Sidious, defying gravity. At this point I interpretated the next scene as Sidious NOT having the ability to stop it, which if the case, shows Yoda has more control over the force at this point in time.

Yes, but your interpretation makes no sense. Why would Sidious not be able to stop one, if he can be in complete control of three?

That's not the point, I have yet to see any of you explain any of these quotes, instead choosing to hide behind them because they suit you. I'd like to know how he was the most powerful sith lord in history when his arsenal didn't go past force lightning. In ANY of the movies.

You accuse me of "hiding behind quotes"? If I need to, I can get a third party in here to verify that you are fond of that little habit. You like to hide behind excuses.

Furthermore, I never said that he was the strongest at the point of RotS. He is the greatest by far at RotS, but I personally don't believe that he gets the title of "most powerful" until Dark Empire.

And finally, you keep talking about Yoda stalemating Sidious in his prime. Keep in mind that he stalemated him while being on unfair ground for the better part of the fight. He clearly disarmed him and shot his force lightning back at him on even ground so Yoda was better than Sidious by ROTS. Now again in terms of force potential, obviously ROTJ or DE Sidious were the best. Saber combat like you said would be TPM or ROTS..

Quit whining about these supposed unfair advantages. I'd hate to see you ever get in a fight to the death, because your philosophy on fighting gives me the assumption that you'd be slaughtered by any smart fighter.

Sidious fought smarter than Yoda. His goal = survive. So he used all the tricks he had. Yoda's goal = kill Sidious. He was single-minded on it, and left himself vulnerable to his smarter opponent. As we've already proven, Sidious is equal to Yoda in everything, save for lightsaber combat - which he used the environment to even the odds.

By the time of RotJ, Palpatine is more powerful than Yoda, and by the time of Dark Empire, he'd wipe his ass with him.

Originally posted by Escape81
Yes, but your interpretation makes no sense. Why would Sidious not be able to stop one, if he can be in complete control of three?

What do you mean my interpretation makes no sense? He was able to chug 3 DOWN. He was not able to stop one flying back UP at him, meaning Yoda has more force control in terms of gravity than Sidious.

You accuse me of "hiding behind quotes"? If I need to, I can get a third party in here to verify that you are fond of that little habit. You like to hide behind excuses.

No, I didn't accuse you, however a lot of your posts include "Well this says this so case closed". And pray tell what excuses am I hiding behind?

[Quit whining about these supposed unfair advantages. I'd hate to see you ever get in a fight to the death, because your philosophy on fighting gives me the assumption that you'd be slaughtered by any smart fighter.

Whining? I love how you interpret things 100% incorrectly. I am stating that Yoda>Sidious on fair ground which is fact, in case it hasn't been done in this versus forum before.

Sidious fought smarter than Yoda. His goal = survive. So he used all the tricks he had. Yoda's goal = kill Sidious. He was single-minded on it, and left himself vulnerable to his smarter opponent. As we've already proven, Sidious is equal to Yoda in everything, save for lightsaber combat - which he used the environment to even the odds.

Uh nobody was arguing this.

What do you mean my interpretation makes no sense? He was able to chug 3 DOWN. He was not able to stop one flying back UP at him, meaning Yoda has more force control in terms of gravity than Sidious.

No. He is able to throw three up in direct defiance with gravity, whereas Yoda had one hell of a time throwing one up in defiance with gravity.

It makes more sense that Yoda's persistance caught him off guard, and surprised him, hence his expressions and him suddenly taking the fight seriously.

No, I didn't accuse you, however a lot of your posts include "Well this says this so case closed". And pray tell what excuses am I hiding behind?

"Absence of proof is not proof of absence" is your favorite.

Whining? I love how you interpret things 100% incorrectly. I am stating that Yoda>Sidious on fair ground which is fact, in case it hasn't been done in this versus forum before.

It is a fact? Really? Funny how, if it were a fact it would be stated or otherwise supported 100%, which it isn't.

Originally posted by Escape81
No. He is able to throw three up in direct defiance with gravity, whereas Yoda had one hell of a time throwing one up in defiance with gravity.

Lets consider the fact that he raised 3 maybe a meter or 2 and threw them down, while Yoda caught ONE at full speed and threw it back up. If that's not more impressive and shows more force control than Sidious, I don't know what is.

"Absence of proof is not proof of absence" is your favorite..

Yes, in response to your "omgz they werent shown to do anything without the amulets, that must mean they can't!"

Lets consider the fact that he raised 3 maybe a meter or 2 and threw them down, while Yoda caught ONE at full speed and threw it back up. If that's not more impressive and shows more force control than Sidious, I don't know what is.

Look, let's be real here. You started off saying "He threw them two to three feet in the air", and you were proven wrong, weren't you? It is obvious that you have a poor grasp of the fight, anyways. It is obvious that he threw it more than one meter in the air. A meter is nearly exact to three American feet. I would advise that you observe the fight once again, and that you don't debate with me about it 'til you're on your game.

You've hit a rough spot with debating here recently. Your arguments are poorer than ever.

Yes, in response to your "omgz they werent shown to do anything without the amulets, that must mean they can't!"

Yes, considering how it doesn't make any sense that they could do it without the amulets, otherwise they would not need to use them in combat, but we've already shown you that the only time that they have generated those blasts is when they have the amulets on. Thus, my side is supported, whereas yours is not.

Originally posted by Escape81
Look, let's be real here. You started off saying "He threw them two to three feet in the air", and you were proven wrong, weren't you? It is obvious that you have a poor grasp of the fight, anyways. It is obvious that he threw it more than one meter in the air. A meter is nearly exact to three American feet. I would advise that you observe the fight once again, and that you don't debate with me about it 'til you're on your game.

oh yes because I interpretated how high the pods were lifted, I suddenly have a poor grasp on the fight.. Says the man who says Sidious was winning for the better part of the final scene. Beautiful logic here.

You've hit a rough spot with debating here recently. Your arguments are poorer than ever.

Yes, because you can't comprehend simple physics, my arguments are poorer than ever. Typical KMC denial here? I suggest you watch the fight again and you tell me whats impressive. Your arguments are hilarious when you try and defend Sidous.

Yes, considering how it doesn't make any sense that they could do it without the amulets, otherwise they would not need to use them in combat, but we've already shown you that the only time that they have generated those blasts is when they have the amulets on. Thus, my side is supported, whereas yours is not.

Yes, that's why in DLOTS it speaks about the time when the sith were a race of ancient magicians and where they learned to construct amulets to pass knowledge through the ages. Yea Escape, your absence of proof side is REALLY supported, and mine really is NOT. Let me guess, DLOTS isn't canon? And stop saying WE, because I can say WE(me and Nai) showed you that they were multipurpose tools. But again as I said, your arguments are hilarious when you discuss Sidious or the ancient sith.

Before we begin, I want to tell you how amusing I find it when you try to tell me that my points are bad, when you're the one who argued that Palpatine only tossed the Senate repulsorpods two to three feet. 😆

oh yes because I interpretated how high the pods were lifted, I suddenly have a poor grasp on the fight.. Says the man who says Sidious was winning for the better part of the final scene. Beautiful logic here.

No, you misinterpreted how high the pods were lifted, by a considerable degree.

Secondly, where did I ever state that Sidious was winning for the better part of the final scene? I told you that, yes, Sidious had an "I'm screwed" look, but that Yoda was also grimacing in pain, in the attempt to hold the lightning at bay, which you conveniantly forgot, until I told you.

I also provided proof that makes it concrete that it ended in a stalemate, as Yoda didn't overpower Sidious at that point, but simply tipped the coiled Force lightning exactly in between them, thus blasting them both back.

Yes, because you can't comprehend simple physics, my arguments are poorer than ever. Typical KMC denial here? I suggest you watch the fight again and you tell me whats impressive. Your arguments are hilarious when you try and defend Sidous.

I suppose if you find your arguments being blasted away comical, yes, this situation would be funny to you, wouldn't it? As I said, the guy who is so totally in the dark about this fight scene as to claim that he threw the pods "two to three" feet in the air is enough to make me wonder why you bother to argue with me in the first place.

Sidious grabbed three pods and threw them several meters in the air, up and behind him, in direct defiance with gravity, with ease. Yoda caught one, and threw it back in direct defiance with gravity, with difficulty.

Both feats are impressive. But considering how Palpatine, at that point, wasn't taking the fight seriously - and then taking into consideration the ease that he controlled those pods and his amusement with Yoda, I am disinclined to believe that he couldn't have stopped the pod.

Yes, that's why in DLOTS it speaks about the time when the sith were a race of ancient magicians and where they learned to construct amulets to pass knowledge through the ages.

Mm-hmm. So when a person wants to create a tool to pass down history, he is automatically supposed to use it in combat? Wow. I suppose I should start taking my World History books and using them in fistfights.

Yea Escape, your absence of proof side is REALLY supported, and mine really is NOT. Let me guess, DLOTS isn't canon? And stop saying WE, because I can say WE(me and Nai) showed you that they were multipurpose tools. But again as I said, your arguments are hilarious when you discuss Sidious or the ancient sith.

Firstly:

a. We = Lightsnake and myself. You all = Nai. You don't offer anything to that tag-team.

b. As we (Lightsnake and myself) already told you, if it were just for passing down history, then they wouldn't need to use them in combat.

c. You agreed time and time again, that they required the amulet to channel and augment their abilities.

Lol. You just proved our point. That's because you're kinda slow these days.

Originally posted by Escape81
Before we begin, I want to tell you how amusing I find it when you try to tell me that my points are bad, when you're the one who argued that Palpatine only tossed the Senate repulsorpods two to three feet. 😆

"omgz he got the measurements off by 6 feet omg he can't debate!" THAT is why I find your arguments hilarious. You pick a special point that is irrelevant and you stick to it.

No, you misinterpreted how high the pods were lifted, by a considerable degree.

Secondly, where did I ever state that Sidious was winning for the better part of the final scene? I told you that, yes, Sidious had an "I'm screwed" look, but that Yoda was also grimacing in pain, in the attempt to hold the lightning at bay, which you conveniantly forgot, until I told you.

You specifically said that the last scene Sidious was winning the better part of it. Perhaps you should spend less time preaching about someone's IQ and more time arguing what you actually wrote. And I never forgot that Yoda was grimacing in pain, I even stated in the beginning Yoda was getting screwed with the lightning before he put on a serious look, then absorbed it then probably shot it back at Sidious to give Sidious his look.

I also provided proof that makes it concrete that it ended in a stalemate, as Yoda didn't overpower Sidious at that point, but simply tipped the coiled Force lightning exactly in between them, thus blasting them both back.

How is Yoda's serious look+Sidious' screwed face=/Yoda overpowering Sidious in that one particular scene? You have a weird way of interpreting fight scenes.

I suppose if you find your arguments being blasted away comical, yes, this situation would be funny to you, wouldn't it? As I said, the guy who is so totally in the dark about this fight scene as to claim that he threw the pods "two to three" feet in the air is enough to make me wonder why you bother to argue with me in the first place.

Yes, becaus I got the feet off, I'm completely in the dark about the fight. Beautiful logic there escape, maybe you should take a nap? I bother to argue with you because it's amusing to see someone fully telling themselves they are correct to make themselves feel better. Believe me, you're not a hard person to debate with, despite what you might tell yourself at night.

Sidious grabbed three pods and threw them several meters in the air, up and behind him, in direct defiance with gravity, with ease. Yoda caught one, and threw it back in direct defiance with gravity, with difficulty.

Oy.. I'm going to assume you haven't taken a physics class.. Sidious lifted 3 pods 1-2 meters correct? 2 meters is 6"8 in case you're unaware, and that's tops. Now, he lifted the pods that high and threw them at Yoda. Nobody is debating that it wasn't an impressive feat, in fact it showed amazing control of the force. However, Yoda stopped one going DOWN at him at FULL SPEED, and then THREW IT BACK UP. If you understood physics you'd understand it SHOULD be theoretically more difficult, and you'd understand that even though Sidious was laughing, he knew he couldn't stop the oncoming pod so he jumped down. Judging by that scene, Yoda showed better force control. Yes, that's logical..

Firstly:

a. We = Lightsnake and myself. You all = Nai. You don't offer anything to that tag-team.

b. As we (Lightsnake and myself) already told you, if it were just for passing down history, then they wouldn't need to use them in combat.

c. You agreed time and time again, that they required the amulet to channel and augment their abilities.

Lol. You just proved our point. That's because you're kinda slow these days. [/B]

A. oh please, like im going to take an angry kid seriously when he's arguing about something he obviously dislikes. I'll tell you what, when more than one person who hates the ancient sith or even has any credibility on this forum tells me I can't debate, I'll take it into consideration. Until then, shut up because your opinion means very little to me when you're heated.

b. Man, you really can't read can you? Time and time again you have shown a lack of reading comprehension. For the millionth time, should I look up the definition of "multipurpose" for you, or will you be trying to continue to argue in this manner for the rest of your time here?

C. Yes, on SOME things they did, while you stated because they used the amulets they could not do without them.

And no, I proved my point so I suggest you take a nap, and enhance your reading comprehension skills, and stop lying to yourself so much.

I'd like to apologize for my rude comments, before we begin. Though I personally think you're grossly incorrect, it's no need for me to act like some of the other debators around here and bash you into submission.

"omgz he got the measurements off by 6 feet omg he can't debate!" THAT is why I find your arguments hilarious. You pick a special point that is irrelevant and you stick to it.

What can I say? I'm tenacious on certain things. As for your misinterpretation, all it does is imply that you do not know the fight as well as you think. Or as well as I do.

You specifically said that the last scene Sidious was winning the better part of it.

May I see where? I don't recall saying that. He was winning the initial part of the "lighting ball" scene, yes. That could be interpreted as most of it, I suppose, considering how he disarmed Yoda and began blasting him with powerful Force lightning.

Perhaps you should spend less time preaching about someone's IQ and more time arguing what you actually wrote. And I never forgot that Yoda was grimacing in pain, I even stated in the beginning Yoda was getting screwed with the lightning before he put on a serious look, then absorbed it then probably shot it back at Sidious to give Sidious his look.

That is the point, you see. That specific scene showed that neither one was going to just curbstomp the other. Palpatine generated the lightning and thus had more control over it. Palpatine's taunting of Yoda's pain was enough to send Yoda into an unparalleled state of determination, which then frightened Sidious.

I never denied that Sidious feared Yoda, or the threat that he represented.

How is Yoda's serious look+Sidious' screwed face=/Yoda overpowering Sidious in that one particular scene? You have a weird way of interpreting fight scenes.

Does that mean that when Yoda was actually shown to be in pain, that Sidious bested him?

I want you to observe that specific scene, and look carefully, please.

Palpatine blasted Yoda's lightsaber from his hand. Yoda nearly tipped over the side of the pod, under the power, but regained his footing and caught the lightning. Palpatine began to generate lightning from both hands, which Yoda managed to hold at bay.

Palpatine was free to move, and closed in on Yoda. As he did so, he poured more and more energy, and upped the level of its intensity. By doing so, he caused Yoda mass amounts of pain, and Yoda started to buckle under the assault.

As this happened, Palpatine's Force lightning began to coil - just short of Yoda's palms. The lightning wasn't in between them. It stopped just short of Yoda's palms, and collected in a sort of energy well there.

Palpatine grew amused at Yoda's pain, leered, and leaned in further. This apparently pissed Yoda off, and made him angrier and even more determined. This is when Palpatine realized that the fight was about to end, and looked frightened - as if it weren't going to stop Yoda.

But, this is what happened. All Yoda did was subtlely move his upper body forward, and pushed the collected Force lightning directly in between him and Palpatine.

This explains why the shockwaves knocked them both apart, simultaneously. If Palpatine and Yoda were the same size, it would have been likely that he and Yoda would've been blasted back the equal distance - but that is just pure speculation.

In any case, Palpatine's heavier weight and middle position allowed him to grab onto the railing of the pod, whereas Yoda was flung across the Rotunda.

So, no. I don't see how Yoda or Palpatine won in the end. Neither of them completely overpowered the other. They had moments when they were beating the other, but - in the end - it was a stalemate. Sidious ended up with the higher ground - but didn't opt to finish Yoda off. Yoda was wounded, without a lightsaber, and couldn't hope to finish the fight without one. Sidious had the advantage of offensive Force powers, and as that part displayed, it was useless.

Yes, becaus I got the feet off, I'm completely in the dark about the fight. Beautiful logic there escape, maybe you should take a nap? I bother to argue with you because it's amusing to see someone fully telling themselves they are correct to make themselves feel better. Believe me, you're not a hard person to debate with, despite what you might tell yourself at night.

You may continue to think that.

Oy.. I'm going to assume you haven't taken a physics class.. Sidious lifted 3 pods 1-2 meters correct? 2 meters is 6"8 in case you're unaware, and that's tops. Now, he lifted the pods that high and threw them at Yoda. Nobody is debating that it wasn't an impressive feat, in fact it showed amazing control of the force. However, Yoda stopped one going DOWN at him at FULL SPEED, and then THREW IT BACK UP. If you understood physics you'd understand it SHOULD be theoretically more difficult, and you'd understand that even though Sidious was laughing, he knew he couldn't stop the oncoming pod so he jumped down. Judging by that scene, Yoda showed better force control. Yes, that's logical..

You'd be surprised. Our science teacher used to be a physics professor at a local university, which is where I got this from. He is a Star Wars fan, and even had a mini-lecture on this scene when we were discussing Newton.

Palpatine ripped three pods out of their moorings, and threw them farther up, simultaneously, in defiance with gravity, with incredible ease. Yoda had difficulty stopping one, at full speed, and sent it back.

He deemed that Palpatine was the one ultimately lifting the greater weight, and in defiance with gravity (a force that likes to keep things near the ground), and had an easier time with it.

Yoda was stopping a third of that weight and tossing it back.

Like I said. Given Palpatine's power in the Force, his control over the pods, and that he only began to pay attention after the pod was already half way to his position, it is more logical that he could have stopped the pod, but was taken aback because he underestimated Yoda.

As for the rest, I'm not going to argue about. We've argued from here to high hell about the amulets and their powers.

Fair enough, except a few things. What Yoda was doing was more than absorbing the lightning I think, because it was as if it was getting shot back at Sidious and he was getting more deformed or what not, as you could tell by his expression and "ahhhh". It was more than "Oh shit Yoda isn't going down", it was him on the end of his ropes, and the only thing that saved him was the blast. So while it was a stalemate, it was a stalemate on unfair ground and my point in bringing that up was the fact that Yoda was the more powerful of the two and showed it.

I know physics quite well and heres what you have to look at. While Palpatine lifted the greater weight, his defiance in gravity was far inferior to what Yoda did. Now if you know physics and gravity, you will understand that even if he did pick up 3 pods and flung then DOWN WITH GRAVITY, Yoda stopping one Pod against gravity and fling it up against gravity ultimately holds more weight than Palpatine flinging 3 down with gravity. IF you want a specific example of what I mean, I would be happy to show you..

As for the amulets, I'm tired of arguing about them. At the end of the day we're still cool.

Fair enough, except a few things. What Yoda was doing was more than absorbing the lightning I think, because it was as if it was getting shot back at Sidious and he was getting more deformed or what not, as you could tell by his expression and "ahhhh". It was more than "Oh shit Yoda isn't going down", it was him on the end of his ropes, and the only thing that saved him was the blast. So while it was a stalemate, it was a stalemate on unfair ground and my point in bringing that up was the fact that Yoda was the more powerful of the two and showed it.

Really, Yoda wasn't absorbing the lightning. He was just keeping it from striking him. And, before the energy ball collected up, there wasn't any lightning hitting Sidious.

As for the end of his ropes thing, how could Yoda have possibly defeated Sidious? His only hope would have been to knock Palpatine off of the pod, and hope that he fell to his death. Palpatine blasted Yoda's lightsaber away and Yoda has no offensive Force powers at his disposal.

Without a lightsaber, the only one with the real chance to kill would have been Palpatine. I'm sorry, DS. That fact is apparent. That is the reason Yoda didn't go back up to finish the fight. Because without his saber, the only thing he could've done - at best - was to just keep the lightning at bay.

So, no. I still don't see how Yoda overpowered Sidious. He didn't even attack him. All he did was just push the collected Force lightning in between them.

I know physics quite well and heres what you have to look at. While Palpatine lifted the greater weight, his defiance in gravity was far inferior to what Yoda did. Now if you know physics and gravity, you will understand that even if he did pick up 3 pods and flung then DOWN WITH GRAVITY, Yoda stopping one Pod against gravity and fling it up against gravity ultimately holds more weight than Palpatine flinging 3 down with gravity. IF you want a specific example of what I mean, I would be happy to show you..

Palpatine lifted three times the weight against gravity with ease. Yoda had to stop a third of that weight, at full speed, and toss it back against gravity.

I'd say that they are both equal feats, considering that Yoda stopped it at full speed and tossed it back, but Palpatine lifted three times the weight with ease.

Regardless, nothing indicates that Palpatine couldn't have stopped it. But it was practically on top of him by the time he registered that it was being tossed back, and that Yoda wasn't finished.

Originally posted by Escape81
So, no. I still don't see how Yoda overpowered Sidious. He didn't even attack him. All he did was just push the collected Force lightning in between them.

Bro, Sidious was clearly getting that lightning either shot back at him or something, look at his face at the end. It is clear horror or shock like he's about to die, that is how I interpret it.

Palpatine lifted three times the weight against gravity with ease. Yoda had to stop a third of that weight, at full speed, and toss it back against gravity.

I'd say that they are both equal feats, considering that Yoda stopped it at full speed and tossed it back, but Palpatine lifted three times the weight with ease.

Ok let me try to explain it better. Palpatine initially lifted 3 times the weight maybe 4-6 feet above him and tossed them DOWN. NOW...Yoda stopped a pod that was initially considered a 3rd of the weight, until it was thrown down with gravity. When it was thrown down, for the receiver(yoda), the pod became a 3rd of the weight Sidious threw down PLUS gravity, which if we had exact calculations could at the end being twice the weight that Palpatine threw down, or exactly the same. That would make Yoda's feat more impressive and show more control. Now as for Sidious stopping a pod going at him, against gravity, he might have been laughing and what not but he was clearly in no position to stop it whether he had the ability or not. Yoda showed more force control over all in that scene. So whether or not he COULD stop it is irrelevant, the fact of the matter is, he wasn't able to.

Bro, Sidious was clearly getting that lightning either shot back at him or something, look at his face at the end. It is clear horror or shock like he's about to die, that is how I interpret it.

He wasn't. Though, I suppose, we've found a logical explanation. Perhaps he feared that the lightning would hit him, hence why he leaned back. But, none of it actually hit him.

Ok let me try to explain it better. Palpatine initially lifted 3 times the weight maybe 4-6 feet above him and tossed them DOWN. NOW...Yoda stopped a pod that was initially considered a 3rd of the weight, until it was thrown down with gravity. When it was thrown down, for the receiver(yoda), the pod became a 3rd of the weight Sidious threw down PLUS gravity, which if we had exact calculations could at the end being twice the weight that Palpatine threw down, or exactly the same. That would make Yoda's feat more impressive and show more control. Now as for Sidious stopping a pod going at him, against gravity, he might have been laughing and what not but he was clearly in no position to stop it whether he had the ability or not. Yoda showed more force control over all in that scene. So whether or not he COULD stop it is irrelevant, the fact of the matter is, he wasn't able to.

I just looked at it again. It looked as if Palpatine tossed the pods up and behind him, by several meters. But that he could throw them all back up, simultaneously, to gain momentum, and keep control of two while he threw one down, speaks a lot for me. That puts him on par with Yoda, easily, in the Force.

I don't deny that Palpatine wasn't able to. Notice that the pod was more than half way to Palpatine before he even acknowledged it. And when it finally sunk in, he barely got out of the way. But that's not Yoda's work. That's Palpatine's chief weakness: overconfidence.

Im watching the scene as we speak. It might not be hitting him but something has gotten Sidious spooked.. He has the look of horror or imminent death on his face. And I never said Sidious wasn't on par with the force. I would still put Yoda's force abilities superior to Sidious by ROTS, but in that particular scene, he lifts 3 pods maybe 3 meters TOPS, and throws them down. Please read my physics example again to understand the concept of weight increasing with gravity.

In the script it says "It looks as if the Dark Lord is Doomed", that's the part with the lightning. So I belive Yoda was actually gonna push it back into Sidious...

Well that is my point with Sidious' imminent death face.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Im watching the scene as we speak. It might not be hitting him but something has gotten Sidious spooked.. He has the look of horror or imminent death on his face. And I never said Sidious wasn't on par with the force. I would still put Yoda's force abilities superior to Sidious by ROTS, but in that particular scene, he lifts 3 pods maybe 3 meters TOPS, and throws them down. Please read my physics example again to understand the concept of weight increasing with gravity.

That's precisely my point. We can provide a logical explanation. Sidious most likely feared that Yoda was going to attempt to put it back on him, which explains the fear on his face and why he leaned back.

In the script it says "It looks as if the Dark Lord is Doomed", that's the part with the lightning. So I belive Yoda was actually gonna push it back into Sidious...

No, Kamikz. That is the retarded scene to which I referred earlier. The one where Yoda disarms Sidious. Sidious then tries to blast Yoda, but Yoda blasts the lightning back at Sidious, and then, for no reason, jumps off the pod.

Oh, sorry got it wrong. But actually, in the novelisation I think Yoda gets overpowered and flies outside the pod, not jumps off willingly.... (The "retarded" scene, not the one in the end...)

Originally posted by kamikz
Oh, sorry got it wrong. But actually, in the novelisation I think Yoda gets overpowered and flies outside the pod, not jumps off willingly.... (The "retarded" scene, not the one in the end...)

No. In the novelization, Sidious jumps to a pod, and Yoda attempts to follow - but is hit, full on, by Force lightning - and knocked across the Rotunda.