Paedophile party allowed to run for election

Originally posted by Robtard
Ok... If you haven't noticed I am/was debating against what the pedophile party wants and why I think their views are wrong and I gave examples. Not sure where you're going with this now?

Okay...back to where it started...I posted this:

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, it is about consent, and if a person cannot give consent they cannot have sex (or buy things...or...). 12 seems like a reasonable age since people usually can estimate what their actions will do. So I thought 12 sounded reasonable. Best would be to judge in each individual case, but that is kinda impossible, so I think 12 is certainly a line that grants the most freedom with the fewest problems. I mean you don't need to have sex with a 30 year old at 12, you should have the possibility though.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, I asked him if he had a logical answer instead of some half sarcastic remark.

Regardless though, we are spinning in circles, you two believe that a 12 year old (14 in your case) is mature enough to realize the consequences of having sex like an adult and with an adult. I do not and luckily for those 12+ year olds, society realizes that sexual maturity and maturity in general comes with age. I know, I know... 'Society is wrong' you will say and think.

Here we go again Robtart...

I did not say Society is wrong in concluding that maturity comes with age. I already said I agree on that point. Do you even fkn read ???

What I am saying is that despite maturity level, CONSENT exists in many sexual relations between an adult and teenager mutually.

You PURPOSELY choose to deny the existance of consent, even when it's there. You keep justifying your assertion by saying "14 year old is not mature enough...14 year olds are easily manipulable...14 year olds watch teletubbies....14 year olds shoot people...etc.etc.etc."

You keep repeating the same nonsense, but you're not attacking the main point. CONSENT exists with or without maturity. Do you agree, or no ?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Okay...back to where it started...I posted this:

And you must realize that 12 year old or kids or teenagers do not always make the best choices for themselves, that is why we have age restrictions. What if your parents allowed you to do everything you wanted when you were 12, do you think you would still be alive?

This is not really part of the debate, but do you not think that if this law passed and the age of consent was lowered to 12 the cases of adult forcing themselves children would rise and they would go by unpunished under the "the child gave consent" blanket? You were a kid once, you know how children are impressionable and they look up to adults as role models. You know as an adult right know you could very well and rather easily coerce a child to do something he or she didn't want to do once you gained their trust.

Originally posted by Robtard
And you must realize that 12 year old or kids or teenagers do not always make the best choices for themselves, that is why we have age restrictions. What if your parents allowed you to do everything you wanted when you were 12, do you think you would still be alive?

This is not really part of the debate, but do you not think that if this law passed and the age of consent was lowered to 12 the cases of adult forcing themselves children would rise and they would go by unpunished under the "the child gave consent" blanket? You were a kid once, you know how children are impressionable and they look up to adults as role models. You know as an adult right know you could very well and rather easily coerce a child to do something he or she didn't want to do once you gained their trust.

Maybe they do not always make the best choices for themselves...heck most people hardly make the best decisions for themself.

I don't think that it would particularly rise actually. I don't think 12 year olds are idiots. I think they can mostly decide just as well as 18 year or 30 year olds.

Originally posted by Robtard
And you must realize that 12 year old or kids or teenagers do not always make the best choices for themselves, that is why we have age restrictions.

Adults don't always make the best choices for themselves either. Point taken, but sometimes u gotta let kids make thier own mistakes...

..and please...don't bring up that "would u i give a 14 year old a gun" ...having a gun is in no way comparable to having sex. 🙄

Besides...the age restrictions don't restrict the child. They only restrict the adult. 😉

Originally posted by Robtard
What if your parents allowed you to do everything you wanted when you were 12, do you think you would still be alive?

No. But I had sex at 15, and I'm still alive today 🙄

Originally posted by Robtard
This is not really part of the debate, but do you not think that if this law passed and the age of consent was lowered to 12 the cases of adult forcing themselves children would rise and they would go by unpunished under the "the child gave consent" blanket? You were a kid once, you know how children are impressionable and they look up to adults as role models.

Which is why I'd rather it be at 14. At 12 most children are just starting to transition into puberty....still too early for most.

14 year olds are looking and acting more like adults each day.....

Originally posted by Robtard
You know as an adult right know you could very well and rather easily coerce a child to do something he or she didn't want to do once you gained their trust.

A child yes? A 14 year old would be harder to coerce....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Here we go again Robtart...

I did not say Society is wrong in concluding that maturity comes with age. I already said I agree on that point. Do you even fkn read ???

What I am saying is that despite maturity level, CONSENT exists in many sexual relations between an adult and teenager mutually.

You PURPOSELY choose to deny the existance of consent, even when it's there. You keep justifying your assertion by saying "14 year old is not mature enough...14 year olds are easily manipulable...14 year olds watch teletubbies....14 year olds shoot people...etc.etc.etc."

You keep repeating the same nonsense, but you're not attacking the main point. [b]CONSENT exists with or without maturity. Do you agree, or no ? [/B]

First, it's Robtard with a 'D' not a 'T'...

Second, consent and maturity go hand in hand just as consent and ones mental state go hand in hand. That is why if a person is judged to be mentally unfit, they cannot give consent on their own behalf in many cases. Is a 14 year old old enough to give consent to have a medical operation done on him or her even if it is beneficial? Answer is NO, because they are not mature enough to realize the consequences and they need their parents (an adult) consent.

You only say "despite maturity level, CONSENT exists in many sexual relations between an adult and teenager mutually" because you happened to be f#cked by a 24 year old when you were 14. Tell you what, even if you loved it and thought it was the f#cking cats pajamas; that 24 year old should have been the adult in the relationship and denied you what you wanted. Just curious, what would your parents say if they had walked in on you at 14 with a 24 year old ****ing you or vice/versa?

Originally posted by Robtard
First, it's Robtard with a 'D' not a 'T'...

Second, consent and maturity go hand in hand just as consent and ones mental state go hand in hand. That is why if a person is judged to be mentally unfit, they cannot give consent on their own behalf in many cases. Is a 14 year old old enough to give consent to have a medical operation done on him or her even if it is beneficial? Answer is NO, because they are not mature enough to realize the consequences and they need their parents (an adult) consent.

The consequences for sex apply to everybody, not just 14 year olds. Condoms and Birth Control help a lot 😉

The chances of things going wrong are equal for everyone, no matter what age.

Originally posted by Robtard
You only say "despite maturity level, CONSENT exists in many sexual relations between an adult and teenager mutually" because you happened to be f#cked by a 24 year old when you were 14. Tell you what, even if you loved it and thought it was the f#cking cats pajamas; that 24 year old should have been the adult in the relationship and denied you what you wanted. Just curious, what would your parents say if they had walked in on you at 14 with a 24 year old ****ing you or vice/versa?

My parents probably would have hated it, cuz thier just as close minded as you are 😉

However, if they would have called it Rape, they would have been wrong. That guy i did it with had my full permission, I knew what I was doing, I had fun, I have no regrets, and here I am happy and healthy.

I still call him once in a while for a casual f*ck droolio

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I am happy and healthy.

I think we all know that's debatable.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Adults don't always make the best choices for themselves either. Point taken, but sometimes u gotta let kids make thier own mistakes...

..and please...don't bring up that "would u i give a 14 year old a gun" ...having a gun is in no way comparable to having sex. 🙄

Besides...the age restrictions don't restrict the child. They only restrict the adult. 😉

No. But I had sex at 15, and I'm still alive today 🙄

Which is why I'd rather it be at 14. At 12 most children are just starting to transition into puberty....still too early for most.

14 year olds are looking and acting more like adults each day.....

A child yes? A 14 year old would be harder to coerce....

True, but adults have a higher maturity level and are better prepared to deal with choices/consequences. That is why 'we' allow a 16 (18 in some countries) year old to drive because 'we' feel that at that certain age, they are old enough to understand choices/consequences and not at 14 years old.

Sex can be just as deadly in the hands of an immature and uneducated person just as a gun can. But you still would never give a gun to a 14 year old, no matter how mature they seemed would you?

You said you had sex at 14 with a 24 year old not at 15?

You only say 14 is the right age because you had sex with a 24 year old at 14 and your friend had sex with a 30 year old at 14... If you had both been 13, I'm sure that's the age you'd be debating for.

Great, looks is more important than actually being... My best friend has a little sister, she is 11, but by her looks and tone everyone things she is 13 maybe 14 and I admit, she looks closer to 15. She 'blossomed' early, very early, does that fact make her open game to the pedophiles?

Yes a 14 year old would be harder to coerce than a 12 year old in most cases, but it still can be done.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
The consequences for sex apply to everybody, not just 14 year olds. Condoms and Birth Control help a lot 😉

The chances of things going wrong are equal for everyone, no matter what age.

My parents probably would have hated it, cuz thier just as close minded as you are 😉

However, if they would have called it Rape, they would have been wrong. That guy i did it with had my full permission, I knew what I was doing, I had fun, I have no regrets, and here I am happy and healthy.

I still call him once in a while for a casual f*ck droolio

You're dodging the point... Consequences exist for everyone for just bout everything, that isn't the point. You stated that a 14 year old is mature enough to understand, I gave you examples of why not and why society has restrictions. All you come back at me with is 'I got f#cked by a 24 year old at 14, I liked it and I’m fine'... Whoop-Dee-Daa... Great for you! You’re not everybody and I doubt most 14 year olds getting f#cked by 24 year old men would feel the same afterwards even if they thought they wanted it initially.

Your parents would have hated it because they as parents care for you; I'd guess.

Also, I resent you saying I have biased views...

Originally posted by Robtard
You're dodging the point... Consequences exist for everyone for just bout everything, that isn't the point. You stated that a 14 year old is mature enough to understand, I gave you examples of why not and why society has restrictions. All you come back at me with is 'I got f#cked by a 24 year old at 14, I liked it and I’m fine'... Whoop-Dee-Daa... Great for you! You’re not everybody and I doubt most 14 year olds getting f#cked by 24 year old men would feel the same afterwards even if they thought they wanted it initially.

Your parents would have hated it because they as parents care for you; I'd guess.

Also, I resent you saying I have biased views...

The point is Consent is there. Do you agree or not ? You, my freind, are the one who keeps dodging the point.

You can't account for every individual 14 year old, and neither can I. So let's drop this whole " a 14 year old can or can't handle it" bullshit...it's headed no where.

I simply feel that it should be up to the parent to decide what to do about their child being sexually active. Not the government. Not unless an actual rape occurs.

i agree. unless the kid is like 12 or 13.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, I don't agree with your opinion because it is wrong. You say paedophiles don't care about the children. That is ridiculous

Anyway, that's fine. I'll just leave it at that.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Do you also claim that no guy cares for their girlfriend?

~ Kryzula

Thats progression, Gays are accepted, gays can marry, gays can have kids by artificial insemination. Now the Paedophile´s are after the same liberal rights.

Paedophile´s should be put down like all sick animals, BASTA!!!!!

Originally posted by Kryzula
Okay. I will admit that some of them might care, but not all of them. My opinions on this are based partly on personal experiences that I have had with them that have made me think that they are selfish and uncaring people.

Anyway, that's fine. I'll just leave it at that.

No I am not claiming that. I know differently.

~ Kryzula

Nah, that's not quite fine...just with hoiw many "paedophiles" had you have dealings with?

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Thats progression, Gays are accepted, gays can marry, gays can have kids by artificial insemination. Now the Paedophile´s are after the same liberal rights.

Paedophile´s should be put down like all sick animals, BASTA!!!!!

Wow, Hitler called, he said he wants his opinions back.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah, that's not quite fine...just with hoiw many "paedophiles" had you have dealings with?

~ Kryzula

Originally posted by Kryzula
I haven't had "dealings" with any of them as you put it. I've had negative childhood experiences with them. As for how many of them I have met, not a lot, but enough to make me dislike their kind.

~ Kryzula

Still, your generalization seems to be inaccurate or at least very biased.

ANd what are the experiences that made you dislike them?

1. Yes I am biased on this subject... I already conceded that point.

2. I do not wish to go into detail about that here. Sorry.

~ Kryzula

Originally posted by Kryzula
1. Yes I am biased on this subject... I already conceded that point.

2. I do not wish to go into detail about that here. Sorry.

~ Kryzula

Fair enough...but since you are biased....well, what's the point, you can't argue objectively apparently.

I can argue objectively. That is why I was able to concede the point you were making.

~ Kryzula