Originally posted by Robtard
But they are mature enough in your eyes to realize the consequences of smoking and having sex and are able to accept it, so why are they not mature enough to vote, drive, drink, own a gun or even go to war if they want to?
They are mature enough (or not) to decide for themselves if they want to have sex. If they make a wrong decision, tough, their problem. To drive, own a gun and drink is a chance that other people in society have to take.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Taking..what?
taking care of children aka rearing a child aka being a mom. A 12 year old raising a child doesn't just have a direct affect on that 12 year old. Like smoking or drinking would. The newborn child is also affected. Let's also remember the little ecuaction someone that age would have. What would stop them from smoking and drinking while nursing? Maybe their suga daddy could hire them both a baby sitter while he is at work.
Originally posted by Bardock42
They are mature enough (or not) to decide for themselves if they want to have sex. If they make a wrong decision, tough, their problem. To drive, own a gun and drink is a chance that other people in society have to take.
Well, you are trusting that they are mature enough to protect themselves and educate themselves from STD's and realize the consequences of their actions, so in essence you are accepting that they are mature enough to consider other people in society as you would if you allowed them to drink, drive, own a gun.
Originally posted by meep-meep
taking care of children aka rearing a child aka being a mom. A 12 year old raising a child doesn't just have a direct affect on that 12 year old. Like smoking or drinking would. The newborn child is also affected. Let's also remember the little ecuaction someone that age would have. What would stop them from smoking and drinking while nursing? Maybe their suga daddy could hire them both a baby sitter while he is at work.
You realize that children already can have sex with other children, right? So they can get pregnant anyways. Just not necessarily with the person they want to. I'd prefer if one parent is old enough to take care of a child..but that's jsut me.
Originally posted by Robtard
Society realizes the difference between a 16 year old and a 12 year old, that is why statutory rape is a far less severe crime than child rape; the punishment reflects this.
Yeah, should maybe be changed.
Originally posted by Robtard
Society realizes the difference between a 16 year old and a 12 year old, that is why statutory rape is a far less severe crime than child rape; the punishment reflects this.
Less severe? So what you are trying to say that if a 16 year old girl get's raped it's alright for her to get raped if the rapist goes off to jail for like 3 years, and if a 12 year old girl gets raped they send the rapist to jail for 6 years?
Oh and by the way, I really don't know how long rapists go to jail for, so that's just a guess. 😛
Originally posted by rooobarbcustard
Less severe? So what you are trying to say that if a 16 year old girl get's raped it's alright for her to get raped if the rapist goes off to jail for like 3 years, and if a 12 year old girl gets raped they send the rapist to jail for 6 years?Oh and by the way, I really don't know how long rapists go to jail for, so that's just a guess. 😛
No, rape is wrong period, where did you get that from what I said? My point being that we as society realize that children develop and mature in stages, so as they mature we 'trust' them with certain freedoms. If we allowed children free exerize to every whim they have, we wouldn't exist as a species.
Originally posted by Robtard
No, rape is wrong period, where did you get that from what I said? My point being that we as society realize that children develop and mature in stages, so as they mature we 'trust' them with certain freedoms. If we allowed children free exerize to every whim they have, we wouldn't exist as a species.
I must've misunderstood you, sorry. 😛
Originally posted by Robtard
That sums it up and how mature of you... Listen, kids and teenagers want to do many things but restrictions exist because people realize that maturity comes with age, do you agree?
Yes, I agree. However, that is a generalization that does not apply to every situation.
Originally posted by Robtard
If you want to believe a 14 year old is mature enough to experience sex like an adult with an adult, then that's your problem; but 14 is still very young, teenager or not.
14 is very young yes. I didn't say a 14 year old's maturity level is compatible with an adults. Do I personally think a 14 year old should have a sexual relationship with an adult ? Not really...does the thought of it gross me out ? Yeah it quite does.
But if it's consentual, then it's not rape. However, by Law, it's still Peadophilia.
Therefore, not ALL cases of Peadophilia are rape...do you agree or disagree, and why ? And please give a reason, don't give me this lasso of an argument.....
Originally posted by Robtard
Luckily society realizes that kids/teenagers mature in levels and that is why restrictions exist.
There are no restrictions on the children, only the adult. The teenagers get no punishment for having sex with an adult, only the adult gets punished.
How is that a true restriction on the youth ? If you want REAL restrictions on youths, then why not go for it all the way ?
Originally posted by Robtard
I ask you though, why 14 and not 13 or 12? What if a 13 or 12 year old wanted to have sex with a 30 year old and they insisted they knew what they were doing? Curious of your reasoning on age 14.
It's a generalization.....it doesnt apply to all people.
I pick 14 (as an average number), because most teens this age already have thier libido acting up, and are already enough past "childhood" that sex is no longer this "taboo" topic for them.
I'm not saying that all 12 and 13 year olds are non-sexual. I just think that's usually the transition age....
However, if there is going to be a LAW that creates an "Age of Consent", i dont thnk it should be put tooo low either....
"Age of Consent" is not a natural thing. It doesn't truly exist, it is only something we created through Law to limit something we don't agree with. Consent exists in many ages, regardless of what you or I think.
Originally posted by Robtard
What's the difference between a 14 year old fingering another 14 year old compared to a 40 year old fingering a 14 year old? For one, one person is a mature adult with conscience of an adult and the other is a teenager, still going through maturity.
So what ? What's your point ? There's still CONSENT. Do you understand that, or do you want to keep pretending there's no Consent, just because you feel there's a maturity gap ?
Originally posted by who?-kid
Pedophilia is wrong and the Dutch party should be forbidden. I couldn't care less about their democratic rights and freedom of speech.
Well, I personally think there is a difference between paedophilia and granting teenagers the right to do what they want with their body.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, I personally think there is a difference between paedophilia and granting teenagers the right to do what they want with their body.
In real life however, it isn't that simple. The more you allow teenagers to have sex, the more unwelcome pregnancies and the more venereal diseases.
If teenagers would use their brains a bit more while having sex, I wouldn't mind it that much. But guess what, they don't. A 15 year old girl with a baby daughter... that's sad. There are exceptions, but most of these girls (or boys) aren't ready to become a parent. How could they, they still were children a few years ago.
In lots of cases, the father runs away (not ready to be a dad yet), there's trouble in the family (the shame !), the young mother has to drop from school in order to work, she'll be lucky to find a lousy job...
That's just ONE example of reality.
Teenage sex is very nice in theory. Again, if they used protection and actually knew what they are doing, I don't mind it. But in real life, it doesn't work like that.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Yes, I agree. However, that is a generalization that does not apply to every situation.14 is very young yes. I didn't say a 14 year old's maturity level is compatible with an adults. Do I personally think a 14 year old should have a sexual relationship with an adult ? Not really...does the thought of it gross me out ? Yeah it quite does.
But if it's consentual, then it's not rape. However, by Law, it's still Peadophilia.
Therefore, not ALL cases of Peadophilia are rape...do you agree or disagree, and why ? And please give a reason, don't give me this lasso of an argument.....
There are no restrictions on the children, only the adult. The teenagers get no punishment for having sex with an adult, only the adult gets punished.
How is that a true restriction on the youth ? If you want REAL restrictions on youths, then why not go for it all the way ?
It's a generalization.....it doesnt apply to all people.
I pick 14 (as an average number), because most teens this age already have their libido acting up, and are already enough past "childhood" that sex is no longer this "taboo" topic for them.
I'm not saying that all 12 and 13 year olds are non-sexual. I just think that's usually the transition age....
However, if there is going to be a LAW that creates an "Age of Consent", i dont thnk it should be put tooo low either....
"Age of Consent" is not a natural thing. It doesn't truly exist, it is only something we created through Law to limit something we don't agree with. Consent exists in many ages, regardless of what you or I think.
So what ? What's your point ? There's still [b]CONSENT.
Do you understand that, or do you want to keep pretending there's no Consent, just because you feel there's a maturity gap ? [/B]
Yes, all cases of pedophilia equate to rape, as I mentioned repeatedly, children and teenagers want to do many, many things that 'we' as society restrict them to because we realize that maturity comes with age. If we allowed children/teenagers to do anything they wanted, we would not exist as a species or at the very least society would be anarchy. Think back when you were 14, how many stupid things did you want to do that in hindsight, you're lucky you were forbidden to do?
Yes, children shouldn't be punished for having sex with an adult, if a child comes on to you and makes sex, it is up to you as the adult as the more experienced and mature person to not allow them their every whim. Just as if a 14 year old ask you to buy them cigarettes or a 40oz of Old English, even if they cry, kick, stomp their feet and yell they know what they are doing and realize the consequences. A difference between children, teenagers and adults.
My point being that children are not mature enough to give constent for everything, they lack the 'wisdom' if you will that an older person has.