Magneto vs. The Flash

Originally posted by Rutog98
Exodus Cloak, this is ridiculous. Talking about double-standards. I don't see how you can argue crap like this and then try and critize my Storm arguments where there is canon that actually gives her the kind of power I debate with. Trying to compare Kitty and Flash is oranges and apples and its desperate. Flash beats Magneto easily. Mags has no defense against Flash's powers and Flash is too fast for Magneto's power to catch him without PIS working against Flash.

LOL

Wow, did you see him trying to make magneto's control over metal translate into molecular control of other things??

😆

Originally posted by Rutog98
Exodus Cloak, this is ridiculous. Talking about double-standards. I don't see how you can argue crap like this and then try and critize my Storm arguments where there is canon that actually gives her the kind of power I debate with. Trying to compare Kitty and Flash is oranges and apples and its desperate. Flash beats Magneto easily. Mags has no defense against Flash's powers and Flash is too fast for Magneto's power to catch him without PIS working against Flash.

Actually if you bothered to read, something which I know you're not very fond of you'll notice that I did say Flash wins in my first response and gave the obvious reason why. The debate was about whether phasing works on Magentos Shields. And if you look at the Magneto vs Exodus thread you'll see why I said that and I corrected myself. Because I remembered an incident where he forced Kitty to solidify turns out that wasn't Magneto but Exodus posing as Magneto which I went back and retraced. As for phasing into his shield I'm still not sure that Kitty Pryde could do that at the moment I don't know. I can't think of a single incident where something like that occured. However I still stand by my previous logic. If Kitty has to spin her molecules through the gaps of a medium in order to phase through it, and Mags' shield does not allow any O2 in or out when he's in space then I don't think Kitty's atoms should be able to pass through. Vision won't be able to pass through either because Mags has effected him in phased form.(His phasing is different to Kitty's). Manhunter should be able to get through Mags' shields since his phasing is different to both Visions and Kittys. I don't know the science behind how the Flash's phasing works.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I don't know the science behind how the Flash's phasing works.

DC comics doesnt realy use scientific back up as much as Marvel attempts to do... then again its comics so... even Marvels scientific statements arent persay true or people would actually have powers... Judging by how flash isnt limited to science, he wins 10/10

As far as I know, Flash's phasing is similar to Kitty's in that he vibrates his molecules or atoms in between the molecules or atoms of an object.

I don't know which one it is, if it goes back and forth, or if that's even the explanation anymore.

As for the intermolecular forces thing, the concept behind it is basically the same for both metals and non metals so he should be able to manipulate it especially when he can manipulate blood which is non-ferrous. He can manipulate electron flow(Brain synapses) as well which basically means he's able to manipulate all intermolecular forces.

Isn't electricity the flow of electrons? And since he has been shown to have fine control over particles which are the same size as the non-metallic objects then surely he's able to manipulate them too via intermolecular bonding as the concept is the same and the EM force is still the same.

dur

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Originally posted by 2damnloud
dur

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Originally posted by ExodusCloak
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http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?t=38704&page=49&pp=20
http://hudlinentertainment.com/smf/index.php?topic=1524.90
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All examples of him applying a MAGNETIC field for ferrous, or what writes THINK are ferrous materials(hemoglobin for instance).

He can't apply magnetic field to ALL molecules because the atoms are RANDOMIZED, unlike ferrous metal.

Again, Manipulation of metal through magnetic fields IS his powers.

Manipulation of ALL matter with an atom or electron is NOT.

😆 @ these kids, man

Oh, and Magneto dies before the sound of the proverbial "bell" even starts to leave the source, each and every time.....10/10.doped

The first post doesn't have any special stipulations - if they were added after the fact, I am unaware - I don't feel like reading through eight pages to figure it out.

However, assuming that special stipulations were NOT made - the Flash wins 10/10.

How does Flash get passed Maggs shields?

You guys say "speedblitz" and that takes time for the Flash to do when Maggs can call up his shields at will.

Mags wins.

Originally posted by Phenomenol
How does Flash get passed Maggs shields?

You guys say "speedblitz" and that takes time for the Flash to do when Maggs can call up his shields at will.

Mags wins.

Millions of times C is just a bit faster than fourteen point five times normal human reaction speed.

You really can't seem to understand this.

Originally posted by Soljer
Millions of times C is just a bit faster than fourteen point five times normal human reaction speed.

You really can't seem to understand this.

1. Maggs doesn't have "human reaction speed" he is slightly above.

2. Flash can't reach lightspeed on a whim he needs momentum and running room to do that.

3. Maggas shields can come up at will.

Originally posted by Phenomenol
1. Maggs doesn't have "human reaction speed" he is slightly above.

2. Flash can't reach lightspeed on a whim he needs momentum and running room to do that.

3. Maggas shields can come up at will.

Mags still loses even if the stipulations were changed so that Mags did have his shield up and the issue whether or not Flash can, or cannot phase through his shield was changed in favour of Magneto. He would still have to contend with Kinetic Speed Steal...and there's nothing in his arsenal that can stop that.

Flash would have to get through Mags shields to even speed steal! Or run around him, you think Maggs would let him do that?

Originally posted by Phenomenol
1. Maggs doesn't have "human reaction speed" he is slightly above.

2. Flash can't reach lightspeed on a whim he needs momentum and running room to do that.

3. Maggas shields can come up at will.

He has fourteen point five times the average human reaction time - but that's meaningless considering that the Flash's reaction speed is billions of times that of Magneto's otherwise impressive speed.

The Flash would hear the bell ring and could, literally, spend what would seem to him as YEARS before Magneto could even think to raise his shield.

At will is only at the speed of thought, and the Flash, even from a dead stop, is MUCH faster than the speed of thought. In fact, he's MUCH faster than fifteen times the speed of thought.

Originally posted by Soljer
Wrong. Magneto does not have slightly above human reaction time.

He has fourteen point five times the average human reaction time - but that's meaningless considering that the Flash's reaction speed is billions of times that of Magneto's otherwise impressive speed.

The Flash would hear the bell ring and could, literally, spend what would seem to him as YEARS before Magneto could even think to raise his shield.

At will is only at the speed of thought, and the Flash, even from a dead stop, is MUCH faster than the speed of thought. In fact, he's MUCH faster than fifteen times the speed of thought.

Wrong, Flash can not obtain the speed of thought on a whim otherwise characters like Gorilla Grodd or Braniac would not be able to mind blast him. 👆

Maggs has blocked light before!

Originally posted by Phenomenol

Maggs has blocked light before!

The person who projected that light at him has human thought processing.

Originally posted by Phenomenol
Maggs has blocked light before!

So has any opaque object durfist

Originally posted by Phenomenol
Wrong, Flash can not obtain the speed of thought on a whim otherwise characters like Gorilla Grodd or Braniac would not be able to mind blast him. 👆

Maggs has blocked light before!

Oh?

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Flash's reaction speeds make time STOP.

Let's not forget that time crawls by for him in NANOSECONDS.

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Or, assuming that Magneto STARTS with his forcefield up, the Flash could simply MAKE Magneto drop his forcefield without ever even getting close to it.
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Originally posted by Soljer
Or, assuming that Magneto STARTS with his forcefield up, the Flash could simply MAKE Magneto drop his forcefield without ever even getting close to it.
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That's Walter West.