Originally posted by newjak86
even if he did get up what is to keep Flash from simply vibrating through it.
Ask Vision and Shadowcat about that one. 😮💨 He controls electromagnetism on an atomic level, and the levels of forces exterted between subatomic particles. Flash wouldn't be able to faze through it, but he'd still kill Magneto 10/10 before he could even comprehend a thought.
Originally posted by newjak86
The problem is that Kitty Phases however that works we don't know for sure but it isn't the sane as Vibrating through.You Mag's shields is nothing more than him using the atoms around to power his shield. The thing about Flash's Vibration is that it isn't going through his shield but it would literally be tearing apart the atoms that make it up.
I think that about sums it up as to why Flash would defeat Magnetos shields, and then Flash has IMP's too.
Originally posted by Jesse7
I think that about sums it up as to why Flash would defeat Magnetos shields, and then Flash has IMP's too.
No, not really. Magneto can make the bonds in Flash's atomic structure not be able to make it through the shield. Not to mention the fact that his shield can be set to repel photons in general so Flash wouldn't even have a prayer to make it through that kind of shield.
Originally posted by batdude123Speculatory. Magneto can manipulate electromagnetic force and so can consciously repel light. Despite what demigawd may try to assert, he's never shown any indication of the ability to manipulate weak force or strong force. And I don't recall him ever manipulating organic matter at an atomic level or otherwise.
No, not really. Magneto can make the bonds in Flash's atomic structure not be able to make it through the shield. Not to mention the fact that his shield can be set to repel photons in general so Flash wouldn't even have a prayer to make it through that kind of shield.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Speculatory. Magneto can manipulate electromagnetic force and so can consciously repel light. Despite what demigawd may try to assert, he's never shown any indication of the ability to manipulate weak force or strong force. And I don't recall him ever manipulating organic matter at an atomic level or otherwise.
Um, you were a judge in our match and this statement frightens the hell outta me. fear Did you look at all the pics DC posted? 😐
Originally posted by batdude123I've seen them before. I know he's manipulated gravitational force on a small and crude scale. I don't recall seeing him manipulate weak force and strong force. Covalent bonds. Hydrogen bonds. Van der Waals forces.
Um, you were a judge in our match and this statement frightens the hell outta me. fear Did you look at all the pics DC posted? 😐
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I've seen them before. I know he's manipulated gravitational force on a small and crude scale. I don't recall seeing him manipulate weak force and strong force.
Yeah, you've seen the scans of Magneto manipulating his shields down to an atomic level then. You've also seen the scans of him making his shields able to reflect photons all together...
Originally posted by batdude123Consciously affecting photons, his shields are still translucent.
Yeah, you've seen the scans of Magneto manipulating his shields down to an atomic level then. You've also seen the scans of him making his shields able to reflect photons all together...
Down to an atomic level. What because he can fly in space. I'm going to need a little more than that sorry. I've read through demigawds very long speculatory posts about how the shield operates based on a comic I can't verify the existence of.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Consciously affecting photons, his shields are still translucent.
He's used his powers to make his shields deflect light and cloud his senses so...
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Down to an atomic level. What because he can fly in space. I'm going to need a little more than that sorry. I've read through demigawds very long speculatory posts about how the shield operates based on a comic I can't verify the existence of.
Flying in space? I don't think I ever said anything about that. Demigawd was a wierdo. 😂
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Nyaaeeeiii vs Aahh and his speech bubble is all wonky too.I don't recall him forcing her to solidify. I remember her being phased into him and him sending a jolt into her while she was phased into him. All this was while she was a novice, and before her intangibility became her natural state.
If she can phase into his electromagnetic energy I don't see why Flash can't.
Hmm... 😕 Vulcan gets right up after the phase and blasts everyone on the next page before Kitty does.
I'll go re-check that, but if EM Energy is responsible for the intermolecular forces between particles ie Van de Waals, Covalent, H-Bonding, dipole-dipole etc then a disassembled object being forced into a concentrated dose of EM Energy should cause it to solidify.
BTW What's the name of this comic Demigawd was talking about?
Originally posted by Wynndar
Rn't those examples of strong and weak nuclear forces? Totally different kind of energy from EM.
Don't Strong and Weak nucleur forces only act in the nucleus? And I'm pretty sure EM energy is responsible for intermolecular bonding. I think weak force extends into the shells of the atoms but not into the intermolecular forces of the molecules.
Strong and Weak I think are responsible for intramolecular bonding.
BTW I'm scanning the comic now, first they show Kitty running threw his computers, Magneto approaches her and he's angry. He grabs her hand then they write that she phases through him(They don't show it on panel). In the next panel you see both Kitty's and Magnetos face in a state of pain with Kittys hand threw Mags' head and then they write that he sends a jolt threw her. So in the following pannel she's knocked out.
In other words she didn't solidify or it would kill him.
Originally posted by ExodusCloakVulcan's more powerful than Kitty... duh. But frankly the depiction indicates it hurt him more than her.
Hmm... 😕 Vulcan gets right up after the phase and blasts everyone on the next page before Kitty does.
Originally posted by ExodusCloakThat's a pretty big stretch, if you were to jolt a gas it wouldn't solidify.
I'll go re-check that, but if EM Energy is responsible for the intermolecular forces between particles ie Van de Waals, Covalent, H-Bonding, dipole-dipole etc then a disassembled object being forced into a concentrated dose of EM Energy should cause it to solidify.BTW What's the name of this comic Demigawd was talking about?
Some Magneto Oneshot which wikipedia says exists, but I can't find. And the wikipedia entry only says it's a collection of old Magneto stories anyway. He says it provides some highly in depth explanation of Magneto's shield.
And I didn't say those intermolecular forces are strong and weak force, I was saying he's never been shown to manipulate intermolecular forces on anything other than metals iirc.