Originally posted by kamikz
Is this what's going to put him above the likes of Kun and Yoda? Anakin when he was mad collapsed a building, still people say he is inferior to the unknown Revan....
Pwned.
A statue? The whole Ziost thingy and the mountain shook. What's your point? Yoda collapsed a mountain, ok? So ignorance is bliss here, or absence of proof? And again it doesn't matter how he stalemated him, the fact is that he did. Explain to me how Yoda> ancient sith again?
You'd, of course, have to prove how Ancient Sith > Yoda first, since you made the assertion.
The fact of the matter is that Sadow's most impressive feat was helped by his ship, meditation sphere, and so on. Ludo and Sadow were "the two strongest Sith [after Ragnos]", but what do you have that supports their power?
Oh? You have this:
Yes, for the two "second strongest Sith [under Ragnos]", they certainly display awesome Force powers. Sadow while dueling his own rival pulls three bricks out, one falls on Ludo's head and he practically collapses!
Originally posted by Motoko Sama
Pwned.You'd, of course, have to prove how Ancient Sith > Yoda first, since you made the assertion.
The fact of the matter is that Sadow's most impressive feat was helped by his ship, meditation sphere, and so on. Ludo and Sadow were "the two strongest Sith [after Ragnos]", but what do you have that supports their power?
Oh? You have this:
Yes, for the two "second strongest Sith [under Ragnos]", they certainly display awesome Force powers. Sadow while dueling his own rival pulls three bricks out, one falls on Ludo's head and he practically collapses!
😆 Well put...
Originally posted by Motoko SamaYes, for the two "second strongest Sith [under Ragnos]", they certainly display awesome Force powers. Sadow while dueling his own rival pulls three bricks out, one falls on Ludo's head and he practically collapses!
WTF, Motoko? Any of those bricks would have made your average force user's head turn into mush. Why is him collapsing to the ground after that a bad thing? Heck, it's more of a testament to his physical strength that Ludo manages to recover from that.
Originally posted by Swirly Girl
WTF, Motoko? Any of those bricks would have made your average force user's head turn into mush. Why is him collapsing to the ground after that a bad thing? Heck, it's more of a testament to his physical strength that Ludo manages to recover from that.
Someone like Zett Jukassa of course would've collapsed, no arguing there.
I suppose Kir Kanos getting his head smashed in so hard that his helmet smashed and still managed to fight off and kill Carnor Jax is a "god among gods"? Kanos isn't even a Force user, and I doubt he actually even has close to the physical strength the Ancient Sith possess, but he was able to recover as well.
The fact of the matter is for dueling his rival, he only pulls out three small bricks? You'd think he'd want to actually, y'know, defeat him. And then Ludo, even possessing that amount of physical strength AND the Force itself, gets put flat on his ass by a single brick. It's even less impressive for Ludo when you consider Kanos doesn't even have the Force.
Originally posted by Swirly Girl
WTF, Motoko? Any of those bricks would have made your average force user's head turn into mush. Why is him collapsing to the ground after that a bad thing? Heck, it's more of a testament to his physical strength that Ludo manages to recover from that.
Well put. But again Dooku is the weakest link so Yoda and Kun would be just enough to take out Sadow..I do however see Lightsnake's point in the fact that Ludo is too stupid for strategy, at least Dooku is intelligent.
Originally posted by Motoko Sama
Lol. Yoda and Exar Kun are both capable of owning either one of these two on their [b]own. So, I don't where you get "just enough".I'm still waiting for the opposition (you), to provide something, anything really. [/B]
Since when is Kun able to own BOTH Sadow and Dooku by himself? Since when is Yoda? With that kind of assumption you're going to have to prove Kun>Sadow in a 1 on 1 duel and that's going to be kinda difficult. Would you like me to dig up some Sadow vs. Kun fights? Yoda had a tough time with Dooku, what makes you think he would be able to take on Dooku and a superior Sadow?
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
My bad, misinterpretation. Since you guys did apparently establish Yoda>Kun, you'd have to prove Yoda>Sadow, and Kun>Sadow for that to actually be true.
Which may be true.
As I have asked you before, time and time again, what has Sadow done without the assistance of his amulets or Ancient Sith artifacts? Without them, I would put him below Kun, Sidious, and Yoda.
Escape, Nai said it best. The fact that he had assistance with amulets should not do anything to diminish the character. In fact it shows that he knew the exact technique, but chose to either channel it through something or amplify it. In no way should that put him below those 4, I think that is an illogical argument. And the fact that Kun didn't do anything without Sadow's amulet or Sadow's teaching, and the fact that Kun became UBER powerful after only a year of learning Sadow's teachings, should put him below Sadow.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You're saying Yoda had TK and the ancient sith didn't? Lol
Hmm...I guess the mere fact that Yoda force pushed a C-9979 landing craft is testament for his ability to pretty much hurt with force TK.
Or...just to make it more clearly.
He force pushed this thingy here (width 370 meters):
which normally carries 28 of that things here:
another 144 of these things here:
and 11 of these nice things:
with the matching number of droids of course. And (going by size of the vessel) he pushed it more than 500 meters backwards. So I guess if this kind of power hits a single person it hurts. Judging by this I'm pretty sure that Sidious did bring up some defence against Yoda's force push in ROTS - otherwise he should have technically ended up in the form of bloody stains on his own office walls / ground.
Of course this could have been a little bit exeggerated by the CW artists - but well...
