Originally posted by Soleran
Give up your pay, thats the first step. Your worth no more then the guy next to you, regardless of what he brings to the table.
There are a number of socialized countries in Europe where that is not the case. And no every aspect of socialism has to be adhered to. Look at Canada, they have a much more socialized form of health care and it works. And everybody is entitled to quality health care.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
There are a number of socialized countries in Europe where that is not the case. And no every aspect of socialism has to be adhered to. Look at Canada, they have a much more socialized form of health care and it works. And everybody is entitled to quality health care.
I guess thats why the rich Canadians come to the US for healthcare. Want Canadian healthcare, give up your pay, 50% of your income to tax's minimum.
Look seriously no one is not let into the ER in the USA it's just abused.
Originally posted by Soleran
I guess thats why the rich Canadians come to the US for healthcare. Want Canadian healthcare, give up your pay, 50% of your income to tax's minimum.Look seriously no one is not let into the ER in the USA it's just abused.
Rich Canadians don't come here for our healthcare system. If they come here at all, it's for our doctors. Not our healthcare. And if you can make yourself rich as a doctor in the US, don't you think you'd come here too? My friend Juan's father was educated in Argintina and moved here as soon as he'd saved the money. In the US the cost of a medical education is pretty expensive. So why not do it in another country for less and move here to make the money?
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Rich Canadians don't come here for our healthcare system. If they come here at all, it's for our doctors. Not our healthcare. And if you can make yourself rich as a doctor in the US, don't you think you'd come here too? My friend Juan's father was educated in Argintina and moved here as soon as he'd saved the money. In the US the cost of a medical education is pretty expensive. So why not do it in another country for less and move here to make the money?
An Extremely good point. 👆
No matter what profession you go into for United States, you are most likely due for a large, almost defeating, amount of debt once you leave school and enter work.
With all the expenses of loans being paid off, even if you make the amount that registers you as higher class, you still live like someone in the middle lower class, since you'd probably be spending the same amount they do on yourself.
Go for a low paying career and make little money... go for a high paying career and PAY a lot of money.....kind of a vicious cycle, isn't it ?
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Rich Canadians don't come here for our healthcare system. If they come here at all, it's for our doctors.
Ok seeing as our Doctors are a part of our healthcare do our doctors cook for them, maybe but more then likely they receive healthcare. So that would be a part of our healthcare system.
Go for a low paying career and make little money... go for a high paying career and PAY a lot of money.....kind of a vicious cycle, isn't it ?
I certainly hope your joking. Besides without the high paying career who would pay the tax's to support your social programs for the less able?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
The Lower class....they already pay unreasonable taxes my freind 😄
What is unreasonable to you, by design your method punish's people who create jobs and become greater then those who fail to achieve for whatever reason by tax'ing more.
It's also ironic that you feel they are unreasonably taxed yet they also use the greatest amount of resources. So pay the least into the system and draw more then you contribute, yeah that makes sense.
Originally posted by Soleran
What is unreasonable to you, by design your method punish's people who create jobs and become greater then those who fail to achieve for whatever reason by tax'ing more.It's also ironic that you feel they are unreasonably taxed yet they also use the greatest amount of resources. So pay the least into the system and draw more then you contribute, yeah that makes sense.
It's called Sarcasm 😉
My friends older brother is a doctor. After his internship, he went to work at a medical clinic and he's doing quite well. It took him a couple of years to pay off his loans but he always had a nice home and cars. My story is about the same. I moved to Tampa after college with $1,200.00 and all my stuff in my car. Within 3 years I had paid off all my debt and I'm now self employed. It's my opinion that if people have the drive, brains and are willing to take risks they can do very well. The thing the I don't like about Socialism is that it fails in every country. USSR, N. Korea, Cuba and China. France is almost broke. I'm not opposed to safety nets for the poor which include health care and welfare.
Originally posted by Soleran
Ok seeing as our Doctors are a part of our healthcare do our doctors cook for them, maybe but more then likely they receive healthcare. So that would be a part of our healthcare system.
No, it wouldn't. Doctors are members of the profession of medicine. Our healthcare system isn't made up of people, it's a matter of process and paper work. Rules that govern how the medical field is utilized by people.
Maybe you could provide some examples of rich Canadians crossing the border to get "better" healthcare than they recieve in their own country.
http://www.canadian-healthcare.org/
Canada's health care system is a group of socialized health insurance plans that provides coverage to all Canadian citizens. It is publicly funded and administered on a provincial or territorial basis, within guidelines set by the federal government.Under the health care system, individual citizens are provided preventative care and medical treatments from primary care physicians as well as access to hospitals, dental surgery and additional medical services. With a few exceptions, all citizens qualify for health coverage regardless of medical history, personal income, or standard of living.
Canada's health care system is the subject of much political controversy and debate in the country. Some question the efficiencies of the current system to deliver treatments in a timely fashion, and advocate adopting a private system similar to the United States. Conversely, there are worries that privatization would lead to inequalities in the health system with only the wealthy being able to afford certain treatments.
Regardless of the political debate, Canada does boast one of the highest life expectancies (about 80 years) and lowest infant morality rates of industrialized countries, which many attribute to Canada's health care system.
Some feel that Canada's health care system does not adequately compensate health care providers. This has led to a "brain drain" of Canadian doctors and nurses, which have left Canada to pursue careers in the United States. Attracting and keeping skilled medical workers is a priority if Canada is to be able to provide proper medical services.
So, I wonder why rich Canadians are crossing the borders? They're either crossing the borders because all the good doctors come here to get rich or they're doctors who are crossing the border to get even more rich.
As I said before, America has attracted all the doctors because they get paid so much more than they do in other countries. So, by your reasoning that seems to mean that because we have the best doctors we have the best healthcare system. But, if that was the case, then there wouldn't be any debate over our current situation.
And even in Canada they're debating the merrits of public healthcare. Wonder why? Probally because if it's privitized, then the health industry in Canada will go to shit like it is here and the rich people who would control it would become even more rich. Canada just isn't run entirely by lobbyists as the US is...yet.
And that's the entire point of the debate about socialized medicine and healthcare in this country. Money. Insurence industry lobbyists are a HUGE fu*king power in this country. And what that means in the long run is that poor people are screwed while rich people are over charged for the services they do receive.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
So, I wonder why rich Canadians are crossing the borders? They're either crossing the borders because all the good doctors come here to get rich or they're doctors who are crossing the border to get even more rich.
And thats one of the reaons why our system is "better." They all come here, supply and demand wow.