Originally posted by Soleran
Great Idea, smartass 😆 !
What are you talking about ?
We should SO DO THAT ! Do you know how many benefits the rich will get from this ??? The poor probably won't benefit, in fact they'd probably have a much harder time since less taxes will go to thier aid, and they'd still be paying high taxes for thier income anyway...
BUT WHO CARES about the poor ?!?!? Seriously !?!?
The more $$$ in my own pocket, the happier I am !
Here is what I think the Government should do :
1) Increase Tax Cuts for the Rich
2) Raise taxes for the Middle Class
3) Send Higher funding to predominantly White area schools
4) Send less funding to predominantly Black and Hispanic area schools
5) Increase difficulty of obtaining Medicare and other Medical Insurance
6) Increase the interest rates of student loans
7) Manipulate Votes like they did in Florida
8) Empower Protestant Ideals through funding and propaganda
9) Define Marriage as solely between a man and woman
10) Ban movies such as Brokeback mountain and Alexander
11) Encourage all parents to send thier children to Anti-Gay camps in the event where thier children "choose" to be Gay
12) Ban Abortion and FORCE every woman to give birth to any foetus that gets convieved
13) Ban Birth Control and only Teach Abstinence in schools
14) Enforce the ideals of marriage and make it so that people can ONLY have sex within the confines of marriage
15) Encourage the illegalization of Homosexual Acts
16) Only supply schools with textbooks that promote Theologic principles, and possibly eradicate theories such as Evolution from the Education system
17) Allow Illegal Immigrants to work in the U.S.A. for years, but then get sent back to thier country once they plan to retire from work.
18) Uphold Tradition to its fullest extant !
19) Make the Bible the basis of Authority in the United States
20) Control Media Content, so that imagination is limitted to Conservative Ideals
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
What are you talking about ?We should SO DO THAT ! Do you know how many benefits the rich will get from this ??? The poor probably won't benefit, in fact they'd probably have a much harder time since less taxes will go to thier aid, and they'd still be paying high taxes for thier income anyway...
BUT WHO CARES about the poor ?!?!? Seriously !?!?
The more $$$ in my own pocket, the happier I am !
The poor don't pay taxes. Only the middle class and the wealthy pay taxes.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Here is what I think the Government should do :1) Increase Tax Cuts for the Rich
2) Raise taxes for the Middle Class
3) Send Higher funding to predominantly White area schools
4) Send less funding to predominantly Black and Hispanic area schools
5) Increase difficulty of obtaining Medicare and other Medical Insurance
6) Increase the interest rates of student loans
7) Manipulate Votes like they did in Florida
8) Empower Protestant Ideals through funding and propaganda
9) Define Marriage as solely between a man and woman
10) Ban movies such as Brokeback mountain and Alexander
11) Encourage all parents to send thier children to Anti-Gay camps in the event where thier children "choose" to be Gay
12) Ban Abortion and FORCE every woman to give birth to any foetus that gets convieved
13) Ban Birth Control and only Teach Abstinence in schools
14) Enforce the ideals of marriage and make it so that people can ONLY have sex within the confines of marriage
15) Encourage the illegalization of Homosexual Acts
16) Only supply schools with textbooks that promote Theologic principles, and possibly eradicate theories such as Evolution from the Education system
17) Allow Illegal Immigrants to work in the U.S.A. for years, but then get sent back to thier country once they plan to retire from work.
18) Uphold Tradition to its fullest extant !
19) Make the Bible the basis of Authority in the United States
20) Control Media Content, so that imagination is limitted to Conservative Ideals
After reading more and more of "your" ideas I get a sneaking suspiscion you don't have but an inkling of what you're talking about, my friend at least about tax's and social class's as defined by income in your system.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Here is what I think the Government should do :1) Increase Tax Cuts for the Rich
2) Raise taxes for the Middle Class
3) Send Higher funding to predominantly White area schools
4) Send less funding to predominantly Black and Hispanic area schools
5) Increase difficulty of obtaining Medicare and other Medical Insurance
6) Increase the interest rates of student loans
7) Manipulate Votes like they did in Florida
8) Empower Protestant Ideals through funding and propaganda
9) Define Marriage as solely between a man and woman
10) Ban movies such as Brokeback mountain and Alexander
11) Encourage all parents to send thier children to Anti-Gay camps in the event where thier children "choose" to be Gay
12) Ban Abortion and FORCE every woman to give birth to any foetus that gets convieved
13) Ban Birth Control and only Teach Abstinence in schools
14) Enforce the ideals of marriage and make it so that people can ONLY have sex within the confines of marriage
15) Encourage the illegalization of Homosexual Acts
16) Only supply schools with textbooks that promote Theologic principles, and possibly eradicate theories such as Evolution from the Education system
17) Allow Illegal Immigrants to work in the U.S.A. for years, but then get sent back to thier country once they plan to retire from work.
18) Uphold Tradition to its fullest extant !
19) Make the Bible the basis of Authority in the United States
20) Control Media Content, so that imagination is limitted to Conservative Ideals
Originally posted by Soleran
Hmm, I took it as more the Canadian Doctors giving Canada the middle finger and coming to the USA.
So what's wrong with socializing the healthcare industry in America? And it's less the doctors giving Canada the middle finger and more the insurence and pharmacutical industries shooting you the middle finger.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
So what's wrong with socializing the healthcare [B]industry in America? And it's less the doctors giving Canada the middle finger and more the insurence and pharmacutical industries shooting you the middle finger. [/B]
Because as consumers the US public has gotten lazy and sloth in their responsilbity to themselvesand their healtcare. HMO's have spoiled every rotten with 10$ copays and over utilized ER care for snotty noses.
Is socialized medicine the answer? I don't think so but that's just my opinion. I think we need to return insurance/healthcare to where it was say 20 years ago and go to consumer driven healthcare. Shop your doctors learn the prices use mail order perscriptions and generics etc etc.
There are a group of people that seem to feel as though they DESERVE certain things just because they occupy space. We do need something in place as safety nets for the less fortunate but not for EVERYONE to fall back on. In my opinion.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Here is what I think the Government should do :1) Increase Tax Cuts for the Rich
2) Raise taxes for the Middle Class
3) Send Higher funding to predominantly White area schools
4) Send less funding to predominantly Black and Hispanic area schools
5) Increase difficulty of obtaining Medicare and other Medical Insurance
6) Increase the interest rates of student loans
7) Manipulate Votes like they did in Florida
8) Empower Protestant Ideals through funding and propaganda
9) Define Marriage as solely between a man and woman
10) Ban movies such as Brokeback mountain and Alexander
11) Encourage all parents to send thier children to Anti-Gay camps in the event where thier children "choose" to be Gay
12) Ban Abortion and FORCE every woman to give birth to any foetus that gets convieved
13) Ban Birth Control and only Teach Abstinence in schools
14) Enforce the ideals of marriage and make it so that people can ONLY have sex within the confines of marriage
15) Encourage the illegalization of Homosexual Acts
16) Only supply schools with textbooks that promote Theologic principles, and possibly eradicate theories such as Evolution from the Education system
17) Allow Illegal Immigrants to work in the U.S.A. for years, but then get sent back to thier country once they plan to retire from work.
18) Uphold Tradition to its fullest extant !
19) Make the Bible the basis of Authority in the United States
20) Control Media Content, so that imagination is limitted to Conservative Ideals
Um... did you Deano have a party together or something? Because if this is your view on the Conservative agenda then you are sorely deluded.
However, I am inclined to think this a joke.
Originally posted by Soleran
Because as consumers the US public has gotten lazy and sloth in their responsilbity to themselvesand their healtcare. HMO's have spoiled every rotten with 10$ copays and over utilized ER care for snotty noses.Is socialized medicine the answer? I don't think so but that's just my opinion. I think we need to return insurance/healthcare to where it was say 20 years ago and go to consumer driven healthcare. Shop your doctors learn the prices use mail order perscriptions and generics etc etc.
There are a group of people that seem to feel as though they DESERVE certain things just because they occupy space. We do need something in place as safety nets for the less fortunate but not for EVERYONE to fall back on. In my opinion.
Originally posted by Soleran
After reading more and more of "your" ideas I get a sneaking suspiscion you don't have but an inkling of what you're talking about, my friend at least about tax's and social class's as defined by income in your system.
I'd very much welcome you to prove to me that each of those claims is not the goal of atleast one Conservative in power.
Originally posted by Soleran
Because as consumers the US public has gotten lazy and sloth in their responsilbity to themselvesand their healtcare. HMO's have spoiled every rotten with 10$ copays and over utilized ER care for snotty noses.Is socialized medicine the answer? I don't think so but that's just my opinion. I think we need to return insurance/healthcare to where it was say 20 years ago and go to consumer driven healthcare. Shop your doctors learn the prices use mail order perscriptions and generics etc etc.
There are a group of people that seem to feel as though they DESERVE certain things just because they occupy space. We do need something in place as safety nets for the less fortunate but not for EVERYONE to fall back on. In my opinion.
Americans haven't gotten lazy when it comes to their healthcare! Americans are only provided certain options for healthcare. And how old were you 20 years ago? What the hell is consumer driven healthcare? Sure, "shop around" and generic medication is fine, but why is "generic" medication less expensive if it's the same as a name brand? Because it's not, and even with out certain ingridiants found in the name brand medication...how much more does it cost to produce any medication?
I have eczema and have a prescription lotion that I have to use. It costs over a hundred dollars a bottle. How much more expensive do you think the ingrediants in that lotion are compared to a bottle of lotion you'd find in teh beauty aisle of a grocery store? I've done the comparing. And though the ingridiants differ, I don't think one of them was water from the fountain of youth or gold dust. Why does it cost so much? Because it actually does something. I have to use a tar based shampoo, which costs upwards of twenty bucks a bottle? Why? Because it does something. Now, I understand the basics of our economy, I can even understand elective medicines to treat an illness that isn't life threatening, but I will never understand making someone suffer just because they've gotten sick.
And when you're talking about things we "DESERVE" simply because we exist, then you aren't being very realistic. We do DESERVE the same medical treatment as any rich celebrity, or rich Canadian, that comes to this country. What? Only celebrities, lawyers, doctors and politicians deserve to recieve the best heathcare because they make more money? You seem to equate the idea of making more money with working harder. And that just isn't true. I'm willing to bet that most of the people who can't afford healthcare bust their asses just to keep their heads above water and it all comes crashing down on them when they get sick and have to spend what little money they do have on cheap medical attention.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Americans haven't gotten lazy when it comes to their healthcare! Americans are only provided certain options for healthcare. And how old were you 20 years ago? What the hell is consumer driven healthcare?
Americans are lazy on average with healthcare, maybe you aren't this is just my opinion based on spending my days working on employee benefits for a living.
Americans are given a TON of choices for healthcare, most just CHOOSE not to PAY for it unless someone else gives it to them.
20 years ago I was 11, my father was in the military and our benefits were taken care of that way.
Consumer driven healthcare is your ghost to chase.
I will never understand making someone suffer just because they've gotten sick.
And who does this?
And when you're talking about things we "DESERVE" simply because we exist, then you aren't being very realistic. We do DESERVE the same medical treatment as any rich celebrity, or rich Canadian, that comes to this country.
You're right people do deserve a certain level of treatment and most receive very good care. Where are you getting this rich from, if you go to the ER and I am next to you we both get the "same" treatment.
I'm willing to bet that most of the people who can't afford healthcare bust their asses just to keep their heads above water
I'll bet your right, I'm sure they work very hard. Its when I hear about financial troubles when someone is smoking a cigarette and drinking a beer I tend to focus on the reality of the situation. Most people would rather drink and smoke and spend their money on things other then Health insurance, which they could afford if they made some changes.
and it all comes crashing down on them when they get sick and have to spend what little money they do have on cheap medical attention.
Yup and when it all comes crashing down it makes me ill to watch someone suffer through that. Yet these same people made certain choices that put them there.
I'd very much welcome you to prove to me that each of those claims is not the goal of atleast one Conservative in power.
I never said your list was entirely incorrect nor that I disagreed with certain parts, I spoke more specifically about tax's.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Here is what I think the Government should do :1) Increase Tax Cuts for the Rich
2) Raise taxes for the Middle Class
3) Send Higher funding to predominantly White area schools
4) Send less funding to predominantly Black and Hispanic area schools
5) Increase difficulty of obtaining Medicare and other Medical Insurance
6) Increase the interest rates of student loans
7) Manipulate Votes like they did in Florida
8) Empower Protestant Ideals through funding and propaganda
9) Define Marriage as solely between a man and woman
10) Ban movies such as Brokeback mountain and Alexander
11) Encourage all parents to send thier children to Anti-Gay camps in the event where thier children "choose" to be Gay
12) Ban Abortion and FORCE every woman to give birth to any foetus that gets convieved
13) Ban Birth Control and only Teach Abstinence in schools
14) Enforce the ideals of marriage and make it so that people can ONLY have sex within the confines of marriage
15) Encourage the illegalization of Homosexual Acts
16) Only supply schools with textbooks that promote Theologic principles, and possibly eradicate theories such as Evolution from the Education system
17) Allow Illegal Immigrants to work in the U.S.A. for years, but then get sent back to thier country once they plan to retire from work.
18) Uphold Tradition to its fullest extant !
19) Make the Bible the basis of Authority in the United States
20) Control Media Content, so that imagination is limitted to Conservative Ideals
Lord Urizen, how did you get your hands on our super-secret handbook of dastardly conservative spells and cantrips? Now we have to go back and re-encrypt everything. Damn it! There'll be hell to pay for letting this little secret out of the bag! Heads will roll!
Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
Lord Urizen, how did you get your hands on our super-secret handbook of dastardly conservative spells and cantrips? Now we have to go back and re-encrypt everything. Damn it! There'll be hell to pay for letting this little secret out of the bag! Heads will roll!
I found no such top secret book...If I did, I'd either be thrown in a Mental Ward, shipped away to an uncharted Island, or have my mind erased by government agents.
All I did was open my eyes, and do some research.
Is my list representative of EVERY Individual Conservative in the United States? Hellz no....they represent the multitude of goals possessed more often by Conservatives in Power, particularly Ultra Right Wingers, and are a collection of Individual goals that I have seen many a Conservative promote.
You Imagine that I think all Liberals are fair and honest? F*ck No....There are plenty of Liberals I disagree with, and think are looney toons....Liberal Extremists make me itch just as badly as ultra conservatives....both suck major ass !
I already wrote a thread bashing on extremist liberals, so now I am making one to bash on Powerful Stubborn Conservatives 🙂