Originally posted by namorsubby
ok let's say he hits at half........no 25% of what he can lift.let's say an equilvalent of 4000 lbs of force hits you in the face. that force is limited to about the area of a human fist..........chances are, it's going straight through your skull and out the other side.
Well im sorry he can take class 10 shots thats the way it is, sorry but its just tough.
Originally posted by namorsubby
he's human. peak human yes. but even if he was 3 times as durable as you're average man, i'd still doubt him being able to endure such force and stay alive much less stay conscious.
You seem to be forgetting that Cap not only has peak human durability, he also wears a special synthetic armor that's tough enough to impress Ironman...
*sigh* that proves nothing.
i guess i can say spidey obliterates cap because he's beaten firelord, namor,titania etc?
i wish to refrain from calling things PIS or bad writing, because i hate when people use that card solely to dismiss an argument when they've ran out of options/argument, but there are indeed cases of this in almost every character's history. especially characters like cap who represent an idea supported by so many, are pretty popular, and don't neccessarily have the stats/ stated ability to contend with those he needs to to remain coorperating with people like the avengers/invaders, and many others.
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beast stated that he came within a hairsbreath of killing him.cap stated he knew he wasn't a killer and that's why he did it. that's a horrible example to use.
Originally posted by namorsubby
*sigh* that [b]proves nothing.i guess i can say spidey obliterates cap because he's beaten firelord, namor,titania etc?
i wish to refrain from calling things PIS or bad writing, because i hate when people use that card solely to dismiss an argument when they've ran out of options/argument, but there are indeed cases of this in almost every character's history. especially characters like cap who represent an idea supported by so many, are pretty popular, and don't neccessarily have the stats/ stated ability to contend with those he needs to to remain coorperating with people like the avengers/invaders, and many others.
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beast stated that he came within a hairsbreath of killing him.cap stated he knew he wasn't a killer and that's why he did it. that's a horrible example to use. [/B]
And Cap coming within a hairs breath of death after three shots by Beast still counters your claim that he should be dead after one, so it's a perfect example.
but cap is potrayed as a human in the comics, there's a difference.
there isn't as much "evidence" as some would think. like i said he'd probably have more than most, because of the reasons i've already stated, but there don't represent the majority or average IMO.
besides that. there was only one scan posted and that was not a good example at all. cap implied that beast couldn't killed him. beast said he almost did.beast is not too close to spidey strength. not a good example at all.
Originally posted by namorsubby
but cap is potrayed as a huma in the comics, there's a difference.
Dr. Druid= Human
Moondragon= Human
Karate Kid= Human
Dr. Strange= Human
Captain America= PEAK HUMAN
Can you think of name a single person in the real world who's been recognized as being peak human on every conceivable level and runs around in a special suit of synthetic chainmail letting stuff hit him to test his durability? If not, then what are you basing your argument on exactly aside from pure speculation?
And now that I'm thinking about it, isn't one of your favorite characters the Original Human Torch? Are you of the opinion that the guy who created the Human Torch isn't really able to create androids(despite his having done so) in a comic book since it doesn't go along with "real world" science?
Originally posted by namorsubby
there isn't as much evidence as some would think. like i said he'd probably have more than most, because of the reasons i've already stated, but there don't represent the majority or average IMO.
Originally posted by namorsubby
besides that. there was only one scan posted and that was not a good example at all. cap implied that beast couldn't killed him. beast said he almost did.beast is not too close to spidey strength. not a good example at all.
Originally posted by namorsubby
i need enough "evidence" so that i know it represents the majority, and therefore the consistency of cap's showings.
And you didn't answer, are you of the opinion that the creator of the Human Torch isn't able to create androids in the world of comics?
i was answering that but my computer was accidently turned off.
people like the professor, ironfist, dr.strange etc are considered human in comics. but there are also things in comics, like magic or scifi tech that are accepted as realistic, even though that is not the case. they are no different from superhuman powers.
Give me a number so you can't back out later. And how about this, how about fot every scan I post of Cap taking a superhuman punch without getting KO'd, YOU post a scan of Cap getting KO'd by a punch from a non superhuman or one shotted by a superhuman on par with the one featured in my scan? It would definitely give us an indication as to whether or not his being able to do so would qualify as being in the majority of his showings...
to do this, i'd have to do something like.........download every showing cap has every had and skim through to find things that support my argument( don't have a scanner and i don't have that many cap comics) i did that to make the hammond thread........it was hard work, even considering that jim hammond has far less showings. in the end, i didn't get too much out of it.i almost regret it.
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my indication that cap's higher end feats aren't consistent come from what i've seen from him......and it's not like i'm not a fan
Originally posted by namorsubby
i was answering that but my computer was accidently turned off.people like the professor, ironfist, dr.strange etc are considered human in comics. but there are also things in comics, like magic or scifi tech that are accepted as realistic, even though that is not the case. they are no different from superhuman powers.
Originally posted by namorsubby
to do this, i'd have to do something like.........download every showing cap has every had and skim through to find things that support my argument{i don't have a scanner and i don't have that many cap comics) i did that to make the hammond thread........it was hard work, even considering that jim hammond has far less showings. in the end, i didn't get to much out of it.i almost regret it.
And if you don't have that many Cap comics, why are you so sure that his taking punches from class 10's are in the minority anyway? Here, just give me a number and I'll see what I can do...
Originally posted by namorsubby
because of what i have seen.like i said......it's not like i'm not a cap fan.
i just don't think his armor or peak human condition enable him to withstand that much.
good luck with the thread BTW........hopefully you find it worth while in the end.
i'd assume a majority is over half.
how about you post what you've got, since you have it all, and i study it religiously. if you do in fact turn out to be right, then i will openly admit my pre-concieved notion of cap's power level was in fact wrong and reconsider accordingly.
i'll refrain from picking feats apart BTW. i hate when someone does all the work and post all the proof to prove something while others just sit back and use tactical speech to "refute" it.
Originally posted by namorsubby
i'd assume a majority is over half.how about you post what you've got, since you have it all, and i study it religiously. if you do in fact turn out to be right, then i will openly admit my pre-concieved notion of cap power level was in fact wrong and reconsider accordingly.
i'll refrain from picking feats apart BTW. i hate when someone does all the work to prove something while others just sit back and use tactical speech to "refute" it.
And I'm holding off on posting everything I have because I want to keep my Photobucket and Imageshack accounts organized. I have 5 different respect threads in the works so I can't clutter my stuff up just to show Cap's durability.
