Originally posted by GM Nebaris
Sorry Escape, but these were your exact words - 'but could not do it at will or that easily without the assistance of an amulet' - note the 'or that easily'.
Don't take that out of context, Nebaris. Read the sentence again and fit it together. "could not do it at will or that easily". The amulets provided the ease that they could activate these powers.
@DS:
While I'm going to write a novel in a few hours on this as a rebuttal for escape I need to understand something. Escape, Nebaris for once makes sense, but are you trying to tell me that everybody that got techniques from the ancient sith could do it without the use of amulets but the creators of said techniques need their amulets because that's nearly all we've seen?
DS, re-read what I said. I said that Nihilius is naturally stronger in that Force ability. I never said that they all were. Nor that he was in all abilities.
@Nebaris:
Hold up with the 'for once' stuff.
Excuse me, but perhaps DS sees what I do:
- You saying that Revan > Luke.
- You saying that Revan > Ancient Sith
- You saying that Revan > Palpatine and Sion > Palpatine.
- You saying that Lumiya > Palpatine and Vader.
- You saying that Mace > Yoda and Palpatine.
Lastly, aren't you just saying that PT Vader is superior to Palpatine?
'Excuse me, but perhaps DS sees what I do:
- You saying that Revan > Luke.
- You saying that Revan > Ancient Sith
- You saying that Revan > Palpatine and Sion > Palpatine.
- You saying that Lumiya > Palpatine and Vader.
- You saying that Mace > Yoda and Palpatine.
Lastly, aren't you just saying that PT Vader is superior to Palpatine?'
😆 😆
'Don't take that out of context, Nebaris. Read the sentence again and fit it together. "could not do it at will or that easily". The amulets provided the ease that they could activate these powers.'
Sorry dude, but you were contradicting yourself. That's why nobody take you seriously. 😛
Originally posted by Escape81thanx
Don't take that out of context, Nebaris. Read the sentence again and fit it together. "could not do it at will or that easily". The amulets provided the ease that they could activate these powers.@DS:
DS, re-read what I said. I said that Nihilius is naturally stronger in that Force ability. I never said that they all were. Nor that he was in all abilities.
@Nebaris:
Excuse me, but perhaps DS sees what I do:
- You saying that Revan > Luke.
- You saying that Revan > Ancient Sith
- You saying that Revan > Palpatine and Sion > Palpatine.
- You saying that Lumiya > Palpatine and Vader.
- You saying that Mace > Yoda and Palpatine.Lastly, aren't you just saying that PT Vader is superior to Palpatine?
You know, Nebaris, I consider myself one of the more modest debators on here. Certainly not on par with some of the debators who consider themselves "logic gods".
See, you and I have different philosophies on debating. I back what I say, you post your rather pathetic opinion. My philosophy is effective, and yours is not.
As for people "not taking me seriously", Nai Fohl aside, I believe I am considered by many to be, frankly, a good debator. Whereas you're not.
Originally posted by Escape81
You know, Nebaris, I consider myself one of the more modest debators on here. Certainly not on par with some of the debators who consider themselves "logic gods".See, you and I have different philosophies on debating. I back what I say, you post your rather pathetic opinion. My philosophy is effective, and yours is not.
As for people "not taking me seriously", Nai Fohl aside, I believe I am considered by many to be, frankly, a good debator. Whereas you're not.
Oh believe me, I am recognised. And I agree, you are extremely modest. I consider myself on your level in debating, but I don't have your patience. 😛
Lmao. This is considerable funny, Escape. You are really going to tell us that somebody that descriped Ragnos grasp on the Dark Side as "frightening" comes anywhere close to his force abilities ? The same person that descriped herself as a "child" compared to the Ancients. The same person that said that "there is no strength" in Nihilus ability because he can't really controle it since it works like "hunger" ? That Traya ?
Cute, Nai. However, notice that I said that Traya may be superior in that one ability. I believe that myself and a few others have already proven that the Ancient Sith don't own everyone, contrary to the former "KMC" unspoken taboo here.
And let's also ingore the fact that some minor female Sith was able to destroy all life on Ambria with a single force pulse. Maybe she pulled that ability out of her ass instead of learning it from the Ancient Sith to whose Empire the planet belonged before...
Hmm. Your point? I never denied that they possessed ungodly knowledge. But how will that help them against an opponent who possesses more knowledge than they do?
Except you totally fail to give me proof that this "technology" did give any "assistance" to them. Is it somewhere mentioned that any of this artifacts made a force user more powerful or multiplied his force powers ? No ? I love it how Aleema Keto can desintegrate flesh with a Sith Magic attack but Sadow shouldn't be able to do that. I love how some female Sith can destroy the entire life on Ambria, but some of the Ancients wouldn't be able to do so.
Motoko and Lightsnake have already proven that Sadow required the ship to have that disasterous effect on those stars. We've never seen Sadow perform amulet blasts without the amulet - unless of course I'm mistaken.
Gee, Nai. Going to pull DS's strategy of "absence of proof isn't proof of absence"?
Not that this dumb discussion does make any sense because it's stupid to exclude artifacts that people always wore from their actual power base in the context of versus fights.
Rofl. Dumb discussion. Cute Nai. Or does it make you angry that the situation I've placed them in gives both sides a sporting chance? Where Sidious can't get "WTFpwned" like you'd prefer. 😛
Originally posted by Escape81
Cute, Nai. However, notice that I said that Traya may be superior in that one ability. I believe that myself and a few others have already proven that the Ancient Sith don't own everyone, contrary to the former "KMC" unspoken taboo here.Hmm. Your point? I never denied that they possessed ungodly knowledge. But how will that help them against an opponent who possesses more knowledge than they do?
Motoko and Lightsnake have already proven that Sadow required the ship to have that disasterous effect on those stars. We've never seen Sadow perform amulet blasts without the amulet - unless of course I'm mistaken.
Gee, Nai. Going to pull DS's strategy of "absence of proof isn't proof of absence"?
Rofl. Dumb discussion. Cute Nai. Or does it make you angry that the situation I've placed them in gives both sides a sporting chance? Where Sidious can't get "WTFpwned" like you'd prefer. 😛
Escape, why are you so adamant about the "Absence of proof" theory. After all, this was your theory from the very beginning. I called you out of it, and so did Nai(who is a much better debator than myself on anything SW related). It doesn't necessarily mean you are wrong but it does show that there's a certain pattern developing..
About Sidious having more knowledge then all th ancient sith. Let me ask you a question and I would like a clear response if possible. If Sidious was so powerful and so much more knowledgable than the ancient sith, why did he have to go to the ancient sith to stop his body from decaying. Why did he believe or know that they could stop it and why did he know that he couldn't? Or in your defense, since he knew everything, why couldn't he have done it himself? If you are going to say he knew more than the ancient sith, and you are going to use the ridiculous "Sidious knows all quote", this is an interesting point you should consider, because apparently Sidious doesn't know all, and he needs to consult the ancient sith for anything he DOESNT know.
Originally posted by Escape81
Cute, Nai. However, notice that I said that Traya may be superior in that one ability. I believe that myself and a few others have already proven that the Ancient Sith don't own everyone, contrary to the former "KMC" unspoken taboo here.
How would Traya be superior in that ability ? She said herself that this can only be mastered to a certain extend (the female Sith on Ambria as well as the thought bomb and Sidious own use of the ability hint that said "extend" is "planatary level"😉 and that Nihilus had gone "beyond" that. So I'm sorry but I have to say that Kreia did only have some years to study the knowledge stored on Malachor while people like Ragnos / Sadow had decades / centuries adding the fact that she herself descripes herself as a child compared to the Ancients and specifically Ragnos as "frightening" - I doubt that she is superior in any department, including the "force drain" attack.
Hmm. Your point? I never denied that they possessed ungodly knowledge. But how will that help them against an opponent who possesses more knowledge than they do?
The point is that "more knowledge" doesn't equal victory especially not when the combatants are very close to being equals in terms of force powers - effectively lessen the chance that one of them will take another out by force use.
Motoko and Lightsnake have already proven that Sadow required the ship to have that disasterous effect on those stars. We've never seen Sadow perform amulet blasts without the amulet - unless of course I'm mistaken.Gee, Nai. Going to pull DS's strategy of "absence of proof isn't proof of absence"?
Meh. This is getting boring. What was "proven" is that Sadow always used his ship / amulet not that he required to do so. And given the fact that minor force users with much less actual training and a far lesser knowledge base were equal to reproduce said feats, I'm inclined to say that Sadow could do it without his "tools".
Rofl. Dumb discussion. Cute Nai. Or does it make you angry that the situation I've placed them in gives both sides a sporting chance? Where Sidious can't get "WTFpwned" like you'd prefer. 😛
No. It simply doesn't make sense. We could also turn this entire match into a fist fight. And I like the "sporting" chance of equipping people with weapons (lightsabers) they never used before and require excessive training to put them against one master (Sidious) and one prodigy (Kun) of using said weapons. Really "sporting" chance.