Originally posted by complexbrotherThat was the lowest dregs of his powers. Zero Hour was the height of his powers, and he was creating reality with one hand while fighting off Spectre and other heros with the other.
Ion has about as much power as paralax in his hight. which is enough to snuff out a star or re ignite one (which he did and died in the process of doing because it was the totatily of his powers) .before you post a rebuttle think about what cosmic power is and what abstract entities are, and all the diffrent power levels out there and stop making up stuff. go off of the facts of a charater and not the hyperbole.
such as when someone says "that punch could have destroyed a mountain".and then realize what it is what you talk about. for example a dimension is not the same thing , as a universe, which is not the same thing as a galixy
Final Night was after all that power was used up.
As ION, Kyle was able to create high end cosmic entities both on purpose and accident.
Originally posted by complexbrother
the pre reticon Beyonder was his own dimension, he was the one who was all. his power rivaled The One Above All (LT's boss) the molicue man stated that there was notrhing that could stop him him if he didn't truly want it to.
Character claims dont equate to canon fact, especially when the claimed point being made is disputed on panel. According to Beyonder himself the M'kraan crystal could end his physical form and revert him back to his formless state. Who are we to believe? 😕
TOAA is apparrently the creator of all things Marvel. He is the equivalent to God. Therefore all things Marvel would derive from him including the Beyonder.
Originally posted by Jarlaxle
Ion (Kyle Raynor) When he had absorbed the full Power of Oa...who is classified to be stronger than Parallax, who DC said was even stronger than the Spectre (who many beleive to be the strongest).
Originally posted by complexbrother
Ion has about as much power as paralax in his hight. which is enough to snuff out a star or re ignite one (which he did and died in the process of doing because it was the totatily of his powers) .
Originally posted by Grimm22
What is the HOTU? 😕
A power source in 616 Thanos came across that gave him power enough to beat all the universes, champions, abstracts and even LT.
(Although debatably it could have been an MBody of LTs)
Thanos absorbed the universe before Adam Warlock (having been in another dimension at the time) appearred and helped him see the error of his ways. He then undid his actions, ensuring the reversion of the universe to its previous state.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl💃 😖hifty: presence ----fused with the creations...Pre beyonder and pheonix and its polar opposite that is a being above and beyond omnipotent
The Presence from DC is the most powerful of all cosmics. While not being God exactly, he has been shown to be the closest thing to God. He controls the source, the spectre, and more.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Character claims dont equate to canon fact, especially when the claimed point being made is disputed on panel. According to Beyonder himself the M'kraan crystal could end his physical form and revert him back to his formless state. Who are we to believe? 😕TOAA is apparrently the creator of all things Marvel. He is the equivalent to God. Therefore all things Marvel would derive from him including the Beyonder.
yes but that was not pre-retcon beyonder
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Character claims dont equate to canon fact, especially when the claimed point being made is disputed on panel. According to Beyonder himself the M'kraan crystal could end his physical form and revert him back to his formless state. Who are we to believe?
This must be when Beyonder gave Rachel enough of his power that even she was able to kill him.
And still,
the Mkraan Crystal was NOT able to kill him..only re-create his primal state of unbeing...what he was originally...a UNIVERSE...that was unto ours like a DROP of Water unto the Ocean.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=406446 📖
this was one of my first threads 🙂
Originally posted by thedude1948
Why is Pre- Retcon Beyonder even mentioned in this thread. He was Retconned so all the celestials he killed and abstracts was an illusion he created. Might as well say Spiderman if he had the powers of TOAA.
Which is why he is referred to as "pre-retcon Beyonder"
If we wanted to deal with the other version...that would be post-retcon Beyonder.
Everything Beyonder did before the retcon happened on panel and can be taken into account as legitament feats...so long as he's labeled "pre-retcon" or "classic" beyonder.
