Who Is The Most Powerful Cosmic

Originally posted by Mordum
What about when Lt got punked by reed richards and his toy gun. Oh yeah and Galactus punked the cosmic hierarchy.

You mean Reed Richard's "toy gun" that took him 20 years to build?

And we should get the story right...even this massive canon that took the smartest man alive 20 years to build was NOT what "punked" LT.

It's designed to harness a being's own power against them.

Now...when the combined power of all these cosmics including LT joined together.

They plotted in erasing Galactus from the Multi-verse.

All that power combined...plus the blast from Reed's super canon directly into that concentration of power...created a feedback of cosmic proportions that blew back everyone into other dimensions.

Taken by surprise, effectively they defeated themselves really since the canon harnesses the target's own energy.

So it wasn't Reed and his "toy gun" that did the job alone.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I hear this rumor of LT manifesting m-bodies...but on panel that has never been said...

And, I only take on panel proof into consideration.

If I see it and read it on panel...it is what it is.

If TOAA himself had to manipulate Thanos with HOTU, than I think Thanos got rid of LT completely.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You mean Reed Richard's "toy gun" that took him 20 years to build?

So it wasn't Reed and his "toy gun" that did the job alone.

What you showed me that LT was toyed and that LT alone couldn't erase Galactus from Multiverse.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Umm not a chance... Beyonder/Kosmos actually died in Annihilation.

Actually the Beyonder who became Kosmos is very much alive.

It recently became the Maker...

Originally posted by thedude1948
Even if he/she is in the Beyond! Series its power isnt going to be at the levels at which he/she had in her illusions.

I wouldn't jump on that wagon so quickly.

Thanos says his only recollection of the Beyonder or Kosmos is Unlimited power...he repeats this.

This is Thanos after having possessed a Cosmic Cube that made him a Universe...after having the Infinity Gauntlet that made him "God"...after having THOU...which absorbed Living Tribunal.

The Maker was able to destroy the universe on a whim.

The Maker exerts but a tiny fraction of power and nearly kills Thanos while obliterating everything around.


That astonished looking fellow is Gladiator of the Shiar.

When Gladiator first encountered the Maker.

The Maker was rendered unconcious because it took on mortal form and it was spiraling into madness.

They wanted to kill the Maker in it's vulnerable state...Gladiator asks, "Can you kill a god?"

Here Gladiator calls the Maker "the most powerful being in the known Universe"...
and again refers to it as a god...but it decided to take on mortal form, which made it vulnerable.

Originally posted by Xplosive
If TOAA himself had to manipulate Thanos with HOTU, than I think Thanos got rid of LT completely.

I agree.

Originally posted by Xplosive
and that LT alone couldn't erase Galactus from Multiverse.

Erasing Galactus from the Multi-verse while setting balance to the Multi-versal misalignment that would take place is beyond even LT evidently.

And they were going to do it simultaneously.

Now, could he erase Galactus if he didn't care about the repercussions...I don't see why not.

My personal opinion is this is PIS.

Originally posted by Mr Master

the Mkraan Crystal was NOT able to kill him..only re-create his primal state of unbeing...what he was originally...a UNIVERSE...that was unto ours like a DROP of Water unto the Ocean.

So how is that any different to what i just said? 😕

It wasnt. 😉 my wording just didnt glorify Beyonder enough to your liking despite the fact that i was highlighting fallibility. 🙂

Originally posted by rotiart

Kinda like what happened with phoenix, the writers had to create a story where jean wasn't really the phoenix.. but really phoenix in a jeanlike body, because the story wasn't any fun to write being too powerful of a character.

That interpretation is no longer continuity. Its gone back to the initial concept.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Not at all.

It's quite simple to differenciate the two...

pre-retcon Beyonder in one scale of power(million of multi-verses).

A statement thats contradicted on panel and therefore cannot be treated as fact. Nothing on panel to show us its anything but hyperbole.

Originally posted by Mr Master
post-retcon Beyonder is on another scale of power(Cosmic Cube-reality manipulator upto a pocket universe...although Cosmic Containment Units have the potential of making you supreme)

Nope.Cosmic cubes have the potential to allow a wielder to manipulate reality on a universal scale, that does NOT equate to making one supreme. 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nope.Cosmic cubes have the potential to allow a wielder to manipulate reality on a universal scale, that does NOT equate to making one supreme. 😉

um, gs, magus used cubes to merge 2 UNIVERSES and used them from dimensions away! therefore their powers are MULTIVERSAL in scope. 😉 which means all cube beings have potential to be multiversal powers.

you haven't been following . . . ❌

Isn't the Beyonder dead?Fallen one found her Dead in annihilation Silver Surfer...😬

Originally posted by Skeets
Isn't the Beyonder dead?Fallen one found her Dead in annihilation Silver Surfer...😬

Originally posted by leonidas
um, gs, magus used cubes to merge 2 UNIVERSES and used them from dimensions away! therefore their powers are MULTIVERSAL in scope. 😉 which means all cube beings have potential to be multiversal powers.

you haven't been following . . . ❌

Not the case at all. As stated, c cubes as standard have planetary level reality warping ability, however a single cube at full potential can manipulate reality on a universal scale, therefore if Magus is using multiple cubes it fits in perfectly that he would be able to go about merging two universes with them. A single cube cannot do so therefore your assessment isnt exactly correct with regards to both the cubes and my following of the thread 😉

but if it's controlling 2 universes and making new ones, and doing it from some other universe . . . that's a lot of universes. almost MULTIPLE universes, you might say. ergo, cosmic cubes MUST be multiversal. that is teh same criteria that was used to determine the IG was a multiversal level power, was it not?

Mr M said a cube can make you supreme and i corrected him. Thats all.

As for multiversal in scope, well applying your power in another reality other than your own doesnt equate to a multiversal power. Thats like saying a cosmic applying their power in another galaxy equates to a universal scale power.

Originally posted by leonidas
but if it's controlling 2 universes and making new ones, and doing it from some other universe . . . that's a lot of universes. almost MULTIPLE universes, you might say. ergo, cosmic cubes MUST be multiversal. that is teh same criteria that was used to determine the IG was a multiversal level power, was it not?

Youre missing the point though. It was multiple cubes. Each one as stated having the full potential to have universal scale power so its all within reason.

oh, and skeets, IF maker is dead (hard to tell if she'll STAY that way) that would put her below beings that are galactus level . . . i'm not sure how that points to multiversal level power, though . . . 😕

though i confess, i may be messing up the argument. i thought the argument was that IG was multiversal because of what it did in IW -- making universes, merging universes from universes away. the cubes appeared to be doing the same things to me, just at a slower rate or perhaps less efficiently. so i surmised that if IG was declared multiversal, the cubes must be as well. if they are NOT multiversal, that must mean all of IW took place in 616 and that the feat was NOT multiversal after all. they both both multiversal or neither was -- at least in THAT particular instance.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Youre missing the point though. It was multiple cubes. Each one as stated having the full potential to have universal scale power so its all within reason.

okay, let's say i took over earth-s with a cube. i overthrew eternity in earth-s continuity. you're saying the application of that universal power (the cube power) to this OTHER universe still only makes the cube universal in level. i can see that, but, if it's power is applied to a universe other than the one it came from, then its power works in more than one universe and is hence transferrable across universes -- or across the multiverse.

Originally posted by leonidas
okay, let's say i took over earth-s with a cube. i overthrew eternity in earth-s continuity. you're saying the application of that universal power (the cube power) to this OTHER universe still only makes the cube universal in level. i can see that, but, if it's power is applied to a universe other than the one it came from, then its power works in more than one universe and is hence transferrable across universes -- or across the multiverse.

Said cubes power couldnt be used to manipulate Earths S' reality and the other one its power is being applied to therefore it is still universal. Merely being able to apply your power in a different reality doesnt equate to multiversal.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Said cubes power couldnt be used to manipulate Earths S' reality and the other one its power is being applied to therefore it is still universal. Merely being able to apply your power in a different reality doesnt equate to multiversal.

so how do you explain the fact that cubes were apparently drawn from different realities in IW and used to create a new universe and merge it with 616? sounds like the power of the cubes (found in different realities) were used to manipulate 616 . . . exactly the same way the IG did. if the IG is multiversal, then it follows the cubes must be, no?

Originally posted by leonidas
so how do you explain the fact that cubes were apparently drawn from different realities in IW and used to create a new universe and merge it with 616? sounds like the power of the cubes (found in different realities) were used to manipulate 616 . . . exactly the same way the IG did. if the IG is multiversal, then it follows the cubes must be, no?

What relevance does the cubes being from different realities have?

if they are from different realities and are being used to manipulate 616 continuity, then . . . it should follow they are multiversal. how do you explain away the fact that cubes from different realities could manipulate reality in 616?