Who Is The Most Powerful Cosmic

Originally posted by Mr Master
Which is why he is referred to as "pre-retcon Beyonder"

If we wanted to deal with the other version...that would be post-retcon Beyonder.

Everything Beyonder did before the retcon happened on panel and can be taken into account as legitament feats...so long as he's labeled "pre-retcon" or "classic" beyonder.

That means everything he did has a different interpretation and is as meaningful as if Wolverine dreamed that he killed galactus. And to answer this thread I pick God-Wolverine an Infinity Gauntlet on both hands and Silver Surfers board.

Preretcon beyonder WAS written originally as being that powerful. Writers during that time, and later hated the concept story they felt forced to write, so they changed it.

Kinda like what happened with phoenix, the writers had to create a story where jean wasn't really the phoenix.. but really phoenix in a jeanlike body, because the story wasn't any fun to write being too powerful of a character.

Being a person that used to play video games... the fun times I remmeber playing is when I first turned the game on, and not when I was finishing it.

Originally posted by thedude1948
That means everything he did has a different interpretation and is as meaningful as if Wolverine dreamed that he killed galactus. And to answer this thread I pick God-Wolverine an Infinity Gauntlet on both hands and Silver Surfers board.

Not at all.

It's quite simple to differenciate the two...

pre-retcon Beyonder in one scale of power(million of multi-verses).

post-retcon Beyonder is on another scale of power(Cosmic Cube-reality manipulator upto a pocket universe...although Cosmic Containment Units have the potential of making you supreme)

The FULL Marvel hierarchy:

1.GOD(Jack Kirby)

1.TOAA(Stan Lee)

God/Jack calls him his "Collaborator".....

It makes sense....

TOAA/Stan lays down the Story/Laws of Marvel.

GOD/Jack turns those Stories/Laws into reality.

2. Pre-Retcon Beyonder
(he can do anything with the power of millions of Multi-verses)

3. Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
(second only to classic Beyonder)

4. HOTU
(Absrorbed LT)

5. Living Tribunal
(who is above the IG)

6. Infinity Gauntlet
(makes you "God"😉

7. Ultimate Nullifier
(can destroy/remake the Multi-verse)

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8. Abraxas
(his very presence will cause the Multi-verse to fold in on itself/only the ultimate nullifier can banish him)

9. Multi-Eternity/Multi-Infinity
(embodiments of the Multiverse/Time&Space)

10. Infinites/Makers
(The Infinites are the maintenance crew of the Multi-verse)
(The Makers created a Micro-verse pocket universe in every universe in the Multi-verse...later these mini-universes were merged to create one mega-universe named creatively...the Micro-verse...lol.)
sorry no pics...

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11.Cosmic Containment Units(POTENTIALLY))
5 Cosmic Cubes make a duplicate 616 universe.

Magus might of created Universes...instead of just One Universe with the 5 Cosmic Cubes.


Doom say's it only takes ONE to possibly conquer the Entire Universe.

Which is true...if you have enough WILL power...

Cosmic Containment Units may be able to rival the power of the IG,(POTENTIALLY)
Here Mephisto is telling Thanos about the history of the Cubes...they actually impose limitations on themselves(the containment units)not the entities like kubik and others.

When Thanos with his willpower exploited that Cosmic Cube...he became the size of a Universe and shrunk down after Marvel destroyed the Cube, which was in some other space unprotected.
First Marvel found the unprotected Cube and destroyed it.

Then Thanos, who had become the size of the Universe..shrunk down and fell unconscious.

Or it can simply make you "God"

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11. Atleza/Universal Anchors
(They stabilize their respective universes from being absorbed by Oblivion)

12. Phoenix Force
(repaired the lattice of the mkraan crystal/repaired the damage of a universe atom by atom)

12. Eternity/Infinty/Entropy/Death
(embodiment of time & space in a single universe)

I lurk these boards and read them about every day. I hardly post but I just wanted to say

Mr. Master is the man
Keep up the good work!

I also had a question, What happened to the HOTU after Thanos got done with it?

Originally posted by Golvan
I lurk these boards and read them about every day. I hardly post but I just wanted to say

Mr. Master is the man
Keep up the good work!

I also had a question, What happened to the HOTU after Thanos got done with it?

Marvel: The End story isnt in actual Marvel continuity so it is debateable if it even exists in the Marvel Universe or just a what if?

Originally posted by Golvan
I lurk these boards and read them about every day. I hardly post but I just wanted to say

Mr. Master is the man
Keep up the good work!

I also had a question, What happened to the HOTU after Thanos got done with it?

😄

That's the $64,000 question.

Actually the series suggested that THOU was "TOAA/GOD's" instrument to remake that universe or was it the multi-verse? At times you get the feeling Thanos is dealing with the multi-verse, then there are other occasions where it seems to be referring to a universe.

In any case at the end...THOU was released by Thanos to remake everything he absorbed.

But he was being manipulated by "TOAA/God"

Originally posted by thedude1948
Marvel: The End story isnt in actual Marvel continuity so it is debateable if it even exists.

This is actually an interesting situation. I don't believe it's supposed to be in continuity, but I know Thanos mentioned the incident IN continuity. Don't remember the exact comic it was in right now. I'll have to check, unless MM beats me to it.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
This is actually an interesting situation. I don't believe it's supposed to be in continuity, but I know Thanos mentioned the incident IN continuity. Don't remember the exact comic it was in right now. I'll have to check, unless MM beats me to it.

Yeah I remembered Thanos saying something like a few weeks ago being able to dispatch Galactus at a snap of his fingers , but when someone asked a writer about this on comicbookresources.com forums he said that something "similar" happened in the current continuity but not exactly like what happened in The End story. So what probably happened is someone screwed up and didnt know that The End series was basically as canon as a what if?

mr masters, if thanos wiped out an m-body of LT, then that means that he didnt really get rid of the real LT per se? im confused....

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
mr masters, if thanos wiped out an m-body of LT, then that means that he didnt really get rid of the real LT per se? im confused....

I hear this rumor of LT manifesting m-bodies...but on panel that has never been said...

And, I only take on panel proof into consideration.

If I see it and read it on panel...it is what it is.

Something familiar about this: 2006

That's right: 1984

Beyonder hasn't changed that much...lol

Originally posted by Mr Master
I hear this rumor of LT manifesting m-bodies...but on panel that has never been said...

And, I only take on panel proof into consideration.

If I see it and read it on panel...it is what it is.

word.

sentence.

What about when Lt got punked by reed richards and his toy gun. Oh yeah and Galactus punked the cosmic hierarchy.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Something familiar about this: 2006

That's right: 1984

Beyonder hasn't changed that much...lol

i think that the preretcon beyonder may be back!

Originally posted by galan7777777
i think that the preretcon beyonder may be back!

Umm not a chance... Beyonder/Kosmos actually died in Annihilation. Even if he/she is in the Beyond! Series its power isnt going to be at the levels at which he/she had in her illusions.