preretcon beyonder v.s. thanos /w/ hotu

this would be a close fight, while preretcon beyonder has been shown beating the likes of LT, so has thanos with hotu.......who wins? my vote is for the beyonder

Beyonder. The abstracts didn't even dare face him to stop him from killing Death.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Beyonder. The abstracts didn't even dare face him to stop him from killing Death.

Thanos is above LT with Hotu..i dont know, ask Mr. MAster

That was a BS back then there was no real info on LT or Eternity like to day.

Originally posted by golem370
That was a BS back then there was no real info on LT or Eternity like to day.

Originally posted by golem370
That was a BS back then there was no real info on LT or Eternity like to day.

yes but they still feared his power sooo much that that were to scared to fight him, even death feared the beyonder

His powers was a plot device that was not alowed by Marvel Corp but the writter put him that powerful and then Marvel put him at the recton level where he was meant to be all along.

Infinity Guatlet Thanos emprisoned Death and I am sure he could have killed her If he had wished

eternity was pleding with the beyonder. no one steped in.

Originally posted by golem370
Infinity Guatlet Thanos emprisoned Death and I am sure he could have killed her If he had wished

The IG is below LT.
Preretcon Betonder is above LT.

Like I said that was a plot device. And there was no real knowledge of how powerful LT was then..

Thanos w/hotu..

LT and the other abstracts did nothing to stop the beyonder, u ever sen the scans?

LT is top rank in the 616 universe, the beyonder is apart of the multiverse.. The writters wanted the beyonder to be all powerful, he can do anything just like the writters.

The Beyonder was a controversial character amongst creators. Creators felt that Jim Shooter had abused his role as editor-in-chief, and forced the use of the omnipotent character upon other writers and editors. Some critics felt the crossovers didn't always mesh well with the main book. One of the most vocal critics was John Byrne.

Apparently, Steve Englehart wanted to tie in the Beyonder to older characters known as the Beyonders (first mentioned in the team-up comic Marvel Two-in-One #63, beings powerful enough to collect planets) for his "Secret Wars III' story in Fantastic Four #318-319. According to Englehart, editor Ralph Macchio hated the character and ordered the Beyonder "removed" from the Marvel Universe. Englehart did as asked but has stated that he tried to exile the character with dignity. The character was subjected to a retcon making him less potent than originally determined, and explanations of his omnipotence have been written off as the more powerful beings "playing along" to ease the Beyonder's transition into self-awareness.

Originally posted by golem370
Like I said that was a plot device. And there was no real knowledge of how powerful LT was then..

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t412978.html

Yes, but it was explained later that it was not really them..and since there was no fight between Beyonder and the Cosmic entities other than big G... It is quite hard to stipulate if pre retcon beyonder is above said cosmic beings.

Originally posted by Rols
Yes, but it was explained later that it was not really them..and since there was no fight between Beyonder and the Cosmic entities other than big G... It is quite hard to stipulate if pre retcon beyonder is above said cosmic beings.

I could say desame with The IG. It could erase any essesntial Cosmic being and replace it.. but it is said that pre retcon B. is more powerfull than IG. but was never shown all CB fighting Preretcon B.

LT is above the IG, and beyonder is above LT