Originally posted by Mordum
Thats the funny thing it was himself he thought god had planned it all and was basically talking to himself the whole time.
that dosent make sence, he was omnipotent......u'd think with knowedge of all that is, he'd know for sure who planned it.......and there would be no thinking at all
Thanos saw in the DNA of reality that death was no longer an ending. Since wonderman had been brought back from death years ago, countless others had to. Thanos being the Nihilist he is, craves death. His love for lady death knows no end. So he did the only thing he could. He used his absolute power to force death as the final end for all beings. Not even thanos would be free from a final death. No character who died would later be brought back. Its the new rule. But to create a new rule for the multiverse requires a lot of power. Everything Thanos had.
Which would you choose. Absolute power. Or as a nihilist, death of all things. Both were thanos dreams. But like death has told Thanos times before. Death is only death, because there is a constant stream of life to die, to go to death. Its why he didn't end all life there. Now all things are left to chance, and noone can "cheat" death.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Thanos with the THOU was supreme...Because he did infact, absorb all the cosmics including LT and the universe.
But here's just another example of how powerful Beyonder was:
Beyonder gives the ENTIRE Multi-verse 24 hours before he will erase it.
Isn't that cool to be able to say I give existence 24 hours...and mean it.
Mr. Master, thank you for the panels of Thanos. I have a question for you, was Thanos a Universal or Multi-Versal threat?
Something else I have been thinking about is that when the Beyonder killed Multi-Death, LT was present. From what I have seen, LT deals in absolutes as a judging body. The mere fact that LT was present while Beyonder killed Multi-Death would leave me to believe that it was an event that LT did not wish to occur. It is irrelevant to me that he took no "direct" action to stop Beyonder, if it was within LT's power to stop Beyonder, I have to believe that he would. The only reason that makes sense to me as to why LT would take no action against the Beyonder is that he could not forcibly make Beyonder stop. That is why they seem to take the "pleading" route. If you could stop someone from doing something terrible by physical means, you would try to appeal to their mental sensibility right?
Thanos is a favorite character of mine and in the panels provided he looked to be a pretty bada$$ dude. There are two things that I want to point out, that are only my observations. First, LT did in fact take action against Thanos in a very direct way, whether it was pure desperation or he thought that he would prevail is unclear. However, and this ties into my second observation, LT along with Infinity and Eternity were able to resist Thanos the longest. I understand that ultimately they were unsuccessful, however they were able to resist.
Based upon my own OPINIONS and OBSERVATIONS, LT provided no resistance whatsoever in the presence of the Beyonder and I think that Beyonder would prevail over Thanos in this fight.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Nice job on the twisting my words around but I'll say again.Beyonder CONTAINED and ABSORBED an Explosion that WOULD have DISINTEGRATED the Micro-verse.
WOULD HAVE, because the EXPLOSION was already in the middle of it's DISINTEGRATION.
You've got a habit of saying that. ❌
I said he contained a universal explosion. You said he did that and he absorbed it as well.
If i was twisting your words i wouldve typed up a completely different take on events, with a completely different meaning and yet go on to say that thats what you meant in your previous description. Instead i typed up Beyonders feat but in a level of detail you didnt feel was satisfactory. Do you see the difference?
No false accusations please. 🙁
Originally posted by Mr Master
The Micro-verse, a Universe that was made from MILLIONS of pocket universes, is A UNIVERSE BIGGER than 616.
Not that i doubt that, but where is that stated just to make sure.
Plus absorbing a universe is a greater feat than absorbing an explosion that could blow up a universe. Not only did Thanos do that but he also defeated and absorbed LT simultaneously along with his universal absorption.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
For all the talk about what Beyonder was capable of, there were no on panel feats to conclusively back it up, therefore while in terms of portrayal, he has the edge over Thanos, in terms of on panel feats, Thanos has him beat.
There were actually quite a few panel feats of what Beyonder was capable of. Did they show EVERYTHING he could possibly do? I do not think so. Then again how often is the true limit of any character ever shown?
Originally posted by Cubicks
There were actually quite a few panel feats of what Beyonder was capable of. Did they show EVERYTHING he could possibly do? I do not think so. Then again how often is the true limit of any character ever shown?
I never said that they didnt show what Beyonder was capable of. What im saying is that what he has been shown to be capable of, what actual on panel feats he has performed are trumped by characters like Thanos with Heart Of The Infinite and the Phoenix. With that in mind noone can say that all his talk about his capabilities is fact because we have no proof of that. When captions state that Wolverine moves at lightning speed, does that mean he literally moved at a third of the speed of light? ❌ Hyperbole. Without on panel backing such as a feat illustrating the point being made or another feat showing a similar level of power output character claims alone are insufficient evidence.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I never said that they didnt show what Beyonder was capable of. What im saying is that what he has been shown to be capable of, what actual on panel feats he has performed are trumped by characters like Thanos with Heart Of The Infinite and the Phoenix. With that in mind noone can say that all his talk about his capabilities is fact because we have no proof of that. When captions state that Wolverine moves at lightning speed, does that mean he literally moved at a third of the speed of light? ❌ Hyperbole. Without on panel backing such as a feat illustrating the point being made or another feat showing a similar level of power output character claims alone are insufficient evidence.
i have heard of this "god-like wolverine" do u have that pannel by any chance? id really like 2 see it
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I never said that they didnt show what Beyonder was capable of. What im saying is that what he has been shown to be capable of, what actual on panel feats he has performed are trumped by characters like Thanos with Heart Of The Infinite and the Phoenix. With that in mind noone can say that all his talk about his capabilities is fact because we have no proof of that. When captions state that Wolverine moves at lightning speed, does that mean he literally moved at a third of the speed of light? ❌ Hyperbole. Without on panel backing such as a feat illustrating the point being made or another feat showing a similar level of power output character claims alone are insufficient evidence.
I said that in response to your statement, "For all the talk about what Beyonder was capable of", I thought that meant lack of panels altogether.
I will agree that Wolverine moving at the speed of light is hyperbole. You took what I said to the extreme. However there is an inherent fallibility in saying that just because it never happened on panel, it isn't believable or possible. I have never seen Thanos w/ HOTU beat the JLA but I know it can happen.
Before you point the glaring problem with what I said, take a look at this panel:
http://img391.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderkillsdeath2kv6.jpg
Notice how Beyonder says that there is a lot of his power in that cup and Dave’s response is that he still must be more powerful than everyone else in the room combined?
Notice who is in the room?
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=abstractsbegbeyonder2wr7.jpg
Do any of them look familiar? Look here:
http://img116.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mute0608xt0.jpg
Are you saying that it should be taken as hyperbole that Beyonder was more powerful than everyone else in that room combined? Yes or no?
Originally posted by Cubicks
I said that in response to your statement, "For all the talk about what Beyonder was capable of", I thought that meant lack of panels altogether.I will agree that Wolverine moving at the speed of light is hyperbole. You took what I said to the extreme. However there is an inherent fallibility in saying that just because it never happened on panel, it isn't believable or possible. I have never seen Thanos w/ HOTU beat the JLA but I know it can happen.
Before you point the glaring problem with what I said, take a look at this panel:
http://img391.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderkillsdeath2kv6.jpgNotice how Beyonder says that there is a lot of his power in that cup and Dave’s response is that he still must be more powerful than everyone else in the room combined?
Notice who is in the room?
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=abstractsbegbeyonder2wr7.jpg
Do any of them look familiar? Look here:
http://img116.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mute0608xt0.jpg
Are you saying that it should be taken as hyperbole that Beyonder was more powerful than everyone else in that room combined? Yes or no?
Im saying that without a feat that is beyond anything the refferred characters have been shown to do or without a confrontation over any of the referred characters then you cant take character comments as fact.
With your Thanos and JLA comment for example Thanos has shown abilities with the HOTI vastly beyond the JLA therefore it is a reasonable assumption.
However considering Beyonders performances against characters within 616 (Galactus' tech employed by Doom able to steal against his will Beyonders power, it taking half Beyonders power to kill Death) it is not justifiable to take the comments referring to Beyonder being a million times more powerful than the marvel multiverse as fact.
Originally posted by Cubicks
Mr. Master, thank you for the panels of Thanos. I have a question for you, was Thanos a Universal or Multi-Versal threat?
I believe Thanos was a Multi-versal threat.
The End series suggest this at times but it's confusing...because other times...it suggest one Universe is being affected.
Originally posted by Cubicks
Based upon my own OPINIONS and OBSERVATIONS, LT provided no resistance whatsoever in the presence of the Beyonder and I think that Beyonder would prevail over Thanos in this fight.
Your completely right.
I agree with you and I always felt the same about this incident.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If i was twisting your words i wouldve typed up a completely different take on events, with a completely different meaning and yet go on to say that thats what you meant in your previous description. Instead i typed up Beyonders feat but in a level of detail you didnt feel was satisfactory. Do you see the difference?
Actually you said, " the Beyonder contained an explosion that "COULD HAVE" destroyed the Micro-verse.
What I said originally, " the Beyonder contained an explosion that WOULD HAVE disintegrated the Micro-verse.
COULD, implies possiblity, uncertainty.
WOULD, indicates the consequence of an event, certainty.
Do you see the difference?
The explosion was disintegrating the Micro-verse when Beyonder contained/absorbed it.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not that i doubt that, but where is that stated just to make sure.
I'll get you the scans.(Micro-verse being bigger than 616)
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Plus absorbing a universe is a greater feat than absorbing an explosion that could blow up a universe.
I don't really see any difference...but thats my opinion.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not only did Thanos do that but he also defeated and absorbed LT simultaneously along with his universal absorption.
I'll agree.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
For all the talk about what Beyonder was capable of, there were no on panel feats to conclusively back it up, therefore while in terms of portrayal, he has the edge over Thanos, in terms of on panel feats, Thanos has him beat.
I disagree.
Beyonder did anything he wanted...what are you talking about.
the Multi-verse was his insignificant toy...have you even visited the pre-retcon Beyonder respect thread?
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Im saying that without a feat that is beyond anything the refferred characters have been shown to do or without a confrontation over any of the referred characters then you cant take character comments as fact.
I think that you are walking a slippery slope with this statement. While I do agree that character dialogue should at times be taken at face value, I do not think that it should be at all times. I think that we both can agree that the Beyonder does not follow a typical or even non-typical comic character. In terms of dialogue, actions, and appearance (he wears jumpsuits and business causal wear? WTF?) he does not fit the mold of any comic character. As such I think that he not really definable by other comic characters.
I guess my main point is that Beyonder's introduction into the into the MU was intended to be something different. If you choose to go by panel feats and ignore panel dialogue/intentions alltogether, then I guess this is a moot point. However, I think that Beyonder's introduction is not something to take a face value.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What im saying is that what he has been shown to be capable of, what actual on panel feats he has performed are trumped by characters like Thanos with Heart Of The Infinite and the Phoenix.
Phoenix?
hysterical
Let's stick to Thanos.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
With that in mind noone can say that all his talk about his capabilities is fact because we have no proof of that.
"His talk"
More like the narrator/writer and OTHER characters doing the most of the talking but who's counting.
In the Respect thread you'l see a LONG list of different comic book titles where everyone said, Beyonder was the all mighty...
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
When captions state that Wolverine moves at lightning speed, does that mean he literally moved at a third of the speed of light?
Poor analogy.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Without on panel backing such as a feat illustrating the point being made or another feat showing a similar level of power output character claims alone are insufficient evidence.
Beyonder had plenty of back up...and I'm not going to feed your little hate campaigne.
Your about the only one attempting to cast a shadow on Beyonder's light...ain't gonna happen so give it up.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
With your Thanos and JLA comment for example Thanos has shown abilities with the HOTI vastly beyond the JLA therefore it is a reasonable assumption.
Your very selective when it comes to Assumptions.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
However considering Beyonders performances against characters within 616 (Galactus' tech employed by Doom able to steal against his will Beyonders power,
Galactus's tech is capable of Destroying and Remaking the Multi-verse in the blink of an eye.(Ultimate Nullifier)
We later learned that Beyonder coerced that entire event.
That was a highly advanced Doom from the DISTANT Future that Beyonder placed in Secret Wars Personally.
Doom WAS DEAD.
How did Beyonder extract Doom from the future if Doom was dead already?
Beyonder used a Doom from the future to fight in the Secret Wars saga, which now explains HOW Doom was able to Manipulate Galactus's vast technology, but the funny thing is Doom was already dead, he had been dead since FF #260, when the FF, Doom and Silver Surfer took on Terrax.
The insane part is,
He plucked him from a future that he himself was going to create for Doom way after the Secret Wars series, simply amazing.
This is well into the Secret Wars II series,
Now Beyonder sends Doom back in time to the Secret Wars drama that was already played out, just to re-install Doom's mind/spirit with his original body,
he speeds up that seperate event in time(Secret Wars I)and ends up in the now, with a fully revived and renewd DOOM.
Unbelievable.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
it taking half Beyonders power to kill Death) it is not justifiable to take the comments referring to Beyonder being a million times more powerful than the marvel multiverse as fact.
That's an EXAGGERATION!
No where does it say Beyonder used HALF his power to kill Death.
"ALOT of power"...never specifies HOW much exactly.
I'll take that as an honest mistake but Don't start Twisting the facts.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Your very selective when it comes to Assumptions.Galactus's tech is capable of Destroying and Remaking the Multi-verse in the blink of an eye.(Ultimate Nullifier)
We later learned that Beyonder coerced that entire event.
That was a highly advanced Doom from the DISTANT Future that Beyonder placed in Secret Wars Personally.
Doom WAS DEAD.
How did Beyonder extract Doom from the future if Doom was dead already?
Beyonder used a Doom from the future to fight in the Secret Wars saga, which now explains HOW Doom was able to Manipulate Galactus's vast technology, but the funny thing is Doom was already dead, he had been dead since FF #260, when the FF, Doom and Silver Surfer took on Terrax.
The insane part is,
He plucked him from a future that he himself was going to create for Doom way after the Secret Wars series, simply amazing.
This is well into the Secret Wars II series,Now Beyonder sends Doom back in time to the Secret Wars drama that was already played out, just to re-install Doom's mind/spirit with his original body,
he speeds up that seperate event in time(Secret Wars I)and ends up in the now, with a fully revived and renewd DOOM.
Unbelievable.That's an EXAGGERATION!
No where does it say Beyonder used HALF his power to kill Death.
"ALOT of power"...never specifies HOW much exactly.I'll take that as an honest mistake but Don't start Twisting the facts.
Didn't he also bring her back to life soon afterwards?
