Originally posted by Rols
Yes, but it was explained later that it was not really them..and since there was no fight between Beyonder and the Cosmic entities other than big G... It is quite hard to stipulate if pre retcon beyonder is above said cosmic beings.
Beyonder demolished Dr. Doom(who had become a FULL Powered Galactus)like nothing.
FULL powered Galactus = Eternity.
Originally posted by Rols
As i recall the CB's did not beat HOTU, and IG(cept. LT).
But my question is Was it the Narator or the CB's that stated, preretcon Beyonder is the most powerfull entity in the multiverse? Id agree if the Narator or CB's stated this.
Narrator said this.
Beyonder is Millions of Times More Powerful than ALL the Rest of the Multiverse Combined.
Re: preretcon beyonder v.s. thanos /w/ hotu
Originally posted by galan7777777
this would be a close fight, while preretcon beyonder has been shown beating the likes of LT, so has thanos with hotu.......who wins? my vote is for the beyonder
Well thats not quite true is it? 😕
I dont recall any instance of Pre retcon Beyonder beating LT.
In terms of presentation id say while they both were betrayed as pretty omnipotent, Beyonder has the upper hand. In terms of on panel feats, definitely Thanos with the Heart Of The Infinite. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master
Beyonder demolished Dr. Doom(who had become a FULL Powered Galactus)like nothing.FULL powered Galactus = Eternity.
As has been claimed, but never demonstrated to render the point fact.
It wasnt a Galactus powered Doom that defeated the Beyonder, that stole away his "omnipotence" ( 😖hifty: ) against his will, Doom as stated had been defeated by Beyonder had used up the energy he had stolen from Galactus' ship and he defeated Beyonder with one of his little contraptions. 🙂
Originally posted by bigbran
i dont want to start a war, but the hotu destroyed eternity, infinity, and LT at the same time. like nothing.
Precisely ✅
This is exactly the reason why i said that in terms of how the characters were portrayed on panel, the Beyonder has the edge because i believe he perhaps was presented as being omnipotent to a higher degree, (although thats arguable), however in terms of on panel feats Thanos' ones (the ones you've highlighted for example) trump Pre retcon Beyonders.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
This is exactly the reason why i said that in terms of how the characters were portrayed on panel, the Beyonder has the edge because i believe he perhaps was presented as being omnipotent to a higher degree, (although thats arguable), however in terms of on panel feats Thanos' ones (the ones you've highlighted for example) trump Pre retcon Beyonders.
But I never said pre-retcon Beyonder was above or below the HOTU...
imo...they were the same.
Beyonder could do anything and hotu can do anything.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As has been claimed, but never demonstrated to render the point fact.
good ol' gs is back... 😂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It wasnt a Galactus powered Doom that defeated the Beyonder,
Your right...It was a FULL Powered Galactus(Doom)that got burnt up in ONE page.
This is Dr. Doom....after Absorbing Galactus's power...and Galactus's Ship.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
that stole away his "omnipotence" against his will, Doom as stated had been defeated by Beyonder had used up the energy he had stolen from Galactus' ship and he defeated Beyonder with one of his little contraptions.
"As stated"...are you going to bet your life on that?
And actualy...that "little contraption"...was Galactus's technology...NOT Doom's.
But he was only able to do this because:
This Doctor Doom, that was in Secret Wars the first series,
that wasn't really Doom,(well technically it was but read)that was a Future self of Doom plucked from the timestream courtesy of the Beyonder,
This is incredible,
Not only does Beyonder use a Doom from the future to fight in the Secret Wars saga, which now explains HOW Doom was able to Manipulate Galactus's vast technology, but the funny thing is Doom was already dead, he had been dead since FF #260, when the FF, Doom and Silver Surfer took on Terrax.
The insane part is,
He plucked him from a future that he himself was going to create for Doom way after the Secret Wars series, simply amazing.
This is well into the Secret Wars II series by the way,
Now Beyonder sends Doom back in time to the Secret Wars drama that was already played out, just to re-install Doom's mind/spirit with his original body,
he speeds up that seperate event in time(Secret Wars I)and ends up in the now, with a fully revived and renewd DOOM.
Unbelievable.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I would disagree with that...on panel beyonder did anything he wanted...including plenty of Multiversal feats.
He sent a bolt of energy that flew through the multiverse, destroying everything in its path. Not as impressive as defeating all forces within a universe before absorbing said universe.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
He sent a bolt of energy that flew through the multiverse, destroying everything in its path. Not as impressive as defeating all forces within a universe before absorbing said universe.
Beyonder contained and absorbed an explosion that would have disintegrated the Microverse.
The Microverse was originally one of a number of dimensions through out the multi-verse accessed via shrinking beyond the limits of normal existence in the Earth dimension.
These realms are not actually sub-atomic, as initially thought, but just accessed via the energy released by such shrinking.
These multiple microverses no longer exist.
It was revealed during Peter David's Captain Marvel series that a thus far unseen conflict between Baron Karza and Thanos had resulted in all of the realms of the Microverse becoming merged into a single Mega-Universe referred to as the Microverse.
Originally posted by Mr Master
good ol' gs is back... 😂Your right...It was a FULL Powered Galactus(Doom)that got burnt up in ONE page.
This is Dr. Doom....after Absorbing Galactus's power...and Galactus's Ship.
This is that same Dr. Doom...
"As stated"...are you going to bet your life on that?
And actualy...that "little contraption"...was Galactus's technology...NOT Doom's.
But he was only able to do this because:
This Doctor Doom, that was in Secret Wars the first series,
that wasn't really Doom,(well technically it was but read)that was a Future self of Doom plucked from the timestream courtesy of the Beyonder,
This is incredible,
Not only does Beyonder use a Doom from the future to fight in the Secret Wars saga, which now explains HOW Doom was able to Manipulate Galactus's vast technology, but the funny thing is Doom was already dead, he had been dead since FF #260, when the FF, Doom and Silver Surfer took on Terrax.The insane part is,
He plucked him from a future that he himself was going to create for Doom way after the Secret Wars series, simply amazing.This is well into the Secret Wars II series by the way,
Now Beyonder sends Doom back in time to the Secret Wars drama that was already played out, just to re-install Doom's mind/spirit with his original body,
he speeds up that seperate event in time(Secret Wars I)and ends up in the now, with a fully revived and renewd DOOM.
Unbelievable.
Nice feat, but lets not get sidetracked from the main issue here. 😉
Doom using technology from Galactus' ship was able to absorb the supposedly omnipotent Beyonders power against his will. Does that or does that not contradict the statement pertaining to Beyonders power level that you so love to post at any and every oppurtunity.
Please dont go off on a tangent posting loads of Beyonders feats as that course of action would neither address the query put forward to you or change what happened on panel.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Beyonder contained and absorbed an explosion that would have disintegrated the Microverse.The Microverse was originally one of a number of dimensions through out the multi-verse accessed via shrinking beyond the limits of normal existence in the Earth dimension.
These realms are not actually sub-atomic, as initially thought, but just accessed via the energy released by such shrinking.
These multiple microverses no longer exist.
It was revealed during Peter David's Captain Marvel series that a thus far unseen conflict between Baron Karza and Thanos had resulted in all of the realms of the Microverse becoming merged into a single Mega-Universe referred to as the Microverse.
So Beyonder contained an explosion that could have destroyed the Microverse. Niiiiice. 😉 Still not as impressive as Thanos' feat.
