Originally posted by RolsBeyonder made short work of the Celestials.
Yes, but it was explained later that it was not really them..and since there was no fight between Beyonder and the Cosmic entities other than big G... It is quite hard to stipulate if pre retcon beyonder is above said cosmic beings.
The Beyonder physically beat down the Celestials just to teach them a lesson. And when he got all his power back, it's stated he is millions of times more powerful than the entire Multiverse. Not only that, but the LT was one of the abstracts that pleaded with him not to kill Death.
Plot device or not, it doesn't change the fact that before he was retconned, that was the Beyonder's power level. He was the most powerful being ever created in Marvel.
Originally posted by Rols
Yeah.. but as i say they never fought. Why were they not scared against IG, and HOTU?
exactly because the hotu, and ig are nothing to beyonder.......xavier comments on beyonder saying that all beings are nothing but insects to the beyonder he has the power of 10 million multiverses
Originally posted by celestialdemon
The Beyonder physically beat down the Celestials just to teach them a lesson. And when he got all his power back, it's stated he is millions of times more powerful than the entire Multiverse. Not only that, but the LT was one of the abstracts that pleaded with him not to kill Death.Plot device or not, it doesn't change the fact that before he was retconned, that was the Beyonder's power level. He was the most powerful being ever created in Marvel.
Its been a while since i read those series but who stated he was the most powerfull being in the entire Multiverse, Was it the Narator or the Cosmic entities on Panel?
exactly because the hotu, and ig are nothing to beyonder.......xavier comments on beyonder saying that all beings are nothing but insects to the beyonder he has the power of 10 million multiverses
But how does Xavier know these, has he ever fought The CB, has he ever meet them before? I mean how does a human comprehend the scope of power from these beings.
Originally posted by Rols
Yeah.. but as i say they never fought. Why were they not scared against IG, and HOTU?
Exactly. Why not? They thought they could defeat the IG and HOTU. They knew they couldn't stop the Beyonder. He had the power to completely destroy the entire multiverse, leaving himself only alive. Nothing and nobody ever had been stated to have that much power.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Exactly. Why not? They thought they could defeat the IG and HOTU. They knew they couldn't stop the Beyonder. He had the power to completely destroy the entire multiverse, leaving himself only alive. Nothing and nobody ever had been stated to have that much power.
Originally posted by Rols
Its been a while since i read those series but who stated he was the most powerfull being in the entire Multiverse, Was it the Narator or the Cosmic entities on Panel?
On panel, by the narrator. Here's the link:
http://img431.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondermillionsofxmorepowerfu.jpg
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Exactly. Why not? They thought they could defeat the IG and HOTU. They knew they couldn't stop the Beyonder. He had the power to completely destroy the entire multiverse, leaving himself only alive. Nothing and nobody ever had been stated to have that much power.
As i recall the CB's did not beat HOTU, and IG(cept. LT).
But my question is Was it the Narator or the CB's that stated, preretcon Beyonder is the most powerfull entity in the multiverse? Id agree if the Narator or CB's stated this.
Originally posted by golem370
What book did Beyonder beat down a celestial?
Here's one pic of it:
http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervscelestials4hq8.jpg
Check out Mr Master's respect thread.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=412978
Originally posted by golem370
That was a BS back then there was no real info on LT or Eternity like to day.
Where'd you get that from?
Eternity was the embodiment of the Universe(space)FAR before the Secret Wars saga.
Death
LT was the Multiversal judge before classic-Beyonder came on the scene.
These Abstract too:
Lord Chaos & Master Order(they had their own universe back then)
Mistress Love and Master Hate
Chronos who was the embodiment of Time then(now it's Eternity)
Infinity(embodiment of space)did not exist back then.
Originally posted by golem370
The Beyonder was a controversial character amongst creators. Creators felt that Jim Shooter had abused his role as editor-in-chief, and forced the use of the omnipotent character upon other writers and editors. Some critics felt the crossovers didn't always mesh well with the main book. One of the most vocal critics was John Byrne.Apparently, Steve Englehart wanted to tie in the Beyonder to older characters known as the Beyonders (first mentioned in the team-up comic Marvel Two-in-One #63, beings powerful enough to collect planets) for his "Secret Wars III' story in Fantastic Four #318-319. According to Englehart, editor Ralph Macchio hated the character and ordered the Beyonder "removed" from the Marvel Universe. Englehart did as asked but has stated that he tried to exile the character with dignity. The character was subjected to a retcon making him less potent than originally determined, and explanations of his omnipotence have been written off as the more powerful beings "playing along" to ease the Beyonder's transition into self-awareness.
I've read that before...
It's inconsequential because until the retcon...everything Beyonder did was on panel and actual.
This is why we refer to this version as Pre-Retcon Beyonder.
The funny thing about the retcon...that even in that issue #319...
Beyonder(who's supposed to be an incomplete cosmic cube)
Was a Universe...and Kubik who's supposedly can warp reality upto a pocket dimension...turned Beyonder's entire universe into a pebble.
