It really all depends if Ragnos even gets the chance to do so. Luke barely had the opprotunity to strike Shimmra. Both are strong, yes, but I think the only way for these two to win are by using tactics. And as far as tactics IMO Shimmra has much more in his arsenal than Ragnos does.
BTW where the is fight located?
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
More Arsenal? You are forgetting that Ragnos was a champion warrior with tremendous strength. If he doesn't slice up Shimrra, he'll drop something on the overlord.
Umm..Thats all he can do? Oh yeah...thats right.
You also seem to forget that the Vong are different than everyone in the SW universe. I doubt the first thing that comes to Rags mind would be to drop something on his head. And even then Shimmra would move out of the way. It would take some time for Ragnos to figure out what to do with him in order to beat him.
Shimmra's staff can do 3 or 4 different things alone. Not to mention he has things such as blast bugs and other toxins. Their brute strength will not win them the fight, and if this arena has no debris or any objects to throw then Ragnos would lose. If the arena has objects then Ragnos has a better chance of winning.
Originally posted by zephiel7
It being your opinion does not necessarily make it true...Tell me, how exactly is Shimrra more tactical in close quarter combat than Ragnos?
Do you have a better suggestion?
Well, Ragnos coming to close to Shimmra wouldent be such a great idea. Vong have the capabilities of using Plaeryin Bol, Thud bugs, Coufee ect...
Originally posted by Admiral AkbarWell, Ragnos coming to close to Shimmra wouldent be such a great idea. Vong have the capabilities of using Plaeryin Bol, Thud bugs, Coufee ect... [/B]
Well the ancient Sith were extremely strong and highly skilled swordsman who empowered their weaponry with the darkside. I would not say Shimrra has anything OVER Ragnos in terms of close quarter combat.
Who is to say that Ragnos would even have to engage his opponents in close quarters? He could just indirectly use the force to weaken, or even finish Shimrra.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
There's literally nothing force oriented that Ragnos can produce that would work in close quarters and a normal Vong warrior can survive being buried, Shimrra?And you'll have to show how Ragnos is a better fighter than someone who can just toss a blast bug at him right off.
Ah, but remember... Ragnos > all...
Personally, yeah, I think Ragnos would win. But you've got nothing to say that he'd overcome Shimmra in close quarters, so prove it. The reason that Ragnos would win is that he'd be able to use indirect Force attacks - and even then - Shimmra still has a chance.
If this guy can threaten Luke Skywalker, then he can threaten Ragnos.
Originally posted by Escape81
If this guy can threaten Luke Skywalker, then he can threaten Ragnos.
The only reasons why Shimrra could threaten Luke were that:
a) Luke was tired because he fought through an army before
b) They were fighting in the Vong HQ (no "neutral" enviroment)
c) the plot
We've seen Luke instakilling a Vong slayer before. Technically he should have been able to do the same to Shimrra. Given the supernatural speed of Jedi which is beyond everything you can reach with some biomechanical implants, Shimrra shouldn't even have been able to hit Luke. In universe this can be just explained by the fact that Luke was indeed tired after fighting all the other Vong.
Now put a fresh Ragnos with more physical strength then Luke in the arena who, unlike Luke, wears a nice set of armor and has a weapon with almost the cutting abilities of a lightsaber + some nice kinetical energy added through the swings which a lightsaber doesn't have. Then let them fight in a "neutral" enviroment where Ragnos can basically throw everything at the Supreme Overlord. I really don't see Shimrra surviving this.
Ok, then Shimrra can toss things at Shimrra that he's never seen before and he can't affect with the force.
And Shimrra IS fast enough to keep up with Luke...Shimrra's been bio-enhanced to hell and back by the shapers of the Vong. Oh, and armor's really gonna help Ragnos as much as it did the Sith Lords butchered by Massassi when he's hit by a blastbug. And last I checked, normal amphistaffs part top kinds of armor like butter
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Ok, then Shimrra can toss things at Shimrra that he's never seen before and he can't affect with the force.
Shimrra can toss things at Ragnos ? Nice. Because we've seen that most Jedi / Sith can dissipate energy to a certain extend and Ragnos is one of the most powerful he will totally have problems with any sort of energy weapon (e.g. Blast Bugs) that Shimrra would be able to use. This is of course ignoring the fact that we've seen Jedi Padawans moving faster then blaster bolts, meaning that Ragnos will most likely be able to dodge any kind of ranged attack.
And Shimrra IS fast enough to keep up with Luke...Shimrra's been bio-enhanced to hell and back by the shapers of the Vong.
Excuse me: How would bio-enchancement even come close to force based boosts of speed, dexterity and strength ? And you're ignoring the fact that Luke basically tooled an entire army of Vong + Shimrra's slayers before almost on his own (if we can thrust Jacen and Jaina's words) so he might have been tired. Otherwise: Why didn't he simply toast Shimrra with "Emerald Lightning" ?
Oh, and armor's really gonna help Ragnos as much as it did the Sith Lords butchered by Massassi when he's hit by a blastbug. And last I checked, normal amphistaffs part top kinds of armor like butter
Did we see the Massassi cutting through the armor ? I'm pretty sure if Sith Alchemy can produce weapons that can resist lightsaber hits and virtually cut through everything, an armor created with Sith Alchemy would be almost equal to cortosis weave. And if normal people can survive blast bug hits (yes...has been done) I wonder how this is gonna kill somebody who can:
a) dissipate energy
b) dodge range attacks
c) wears an armour that possibly exceeds most other armor types
Not to mention that I'd like to see Shimrra using ranged weapons when Ragnos comes in with full speed (force boosted) and kicks Shimrra's sorry ass across the place with a two metre long Sith Sword or f***s up the enviroment with his force powers / his sceptre.
Yes, something Ragnos is incapable of sensing, let alone affecting? And given that most Jedi have been hit by the projectiles, which are so small and fast that most force users don't even SEE them and given how fast Vong can toss things...
Of course Luke was tired. And how do shapers come close to matching force based boosts? Considring many elite Vong have been able to match Jedi in tests of skill and speed...Shedao Shai vs. Corran anyone?
When's Sith alchemy produced armor that can resist sabers? Alright, let's add that to small projectiles Ragnos can't even SEE, let alone sense or react to...and where's Sith alchemy 'cut through basically anything?'
Oh, and great assumption that Ragnos is going to hurl himself in force boosted right off the bat. In the time it takes to run in, Shimrra could easily lob a plasma grenade his way and unless Ragnos knows how to sense Vong-unlikely given that Dark Siders are beyond the Unifying Force abilitoes, Ragnosis going to have to deal with Shimrra on even ground and given that Shimrra's strength is tip top of a race whose POLITICIANS are twice as powerful as a full grown, healthy human...and speed? An average Vong subaltern was able to flick several daggers out of the air, thrown by a noghri-one of the top assassin races in the galaxy- cover the distance to the Noghri, sweep his legs out and impaled him...before the daggers had hit the round.
And gee, considering while Ragnos stops to concentrate, I'd love to see Ragnos take a razor bug in the face. What would happen? Gee, I'll go with the guy wearing nearly totally impenetrable vonduum crab armor that has managed to withstand bladed weapons and sabers. Why not
How about more likely Ragnos panics when he finds out all his godly force powers don't mean a thing to Shimrra and takes a plasma eel full in the face when he tries to stop it with the force and can't? Seems just as likely. Or that Shimrra is able to at least match him with skill and power.
Correct me if im wrong, but aren't the blast bugs, thud bugs ect..all integrated within the Vongs body/armor? So wouldent he not need to pull it out and throw it like a grenade?
Question..will his armor help him if a snake wraps around his body and breaks every bone in his body? I forgot what else Shimmra did. I believe he poisened Luke.