Are you kidding me? He has a defence against every other force attack, though. Illusions and the like might not even effect him, seeing as how he is a Vong. Even if Marka did make illusions, then what? Shimrra attacks them, and realizes it, until Mark jumps out from hiding, yells "Booga booga!" and chops at him with all of his strength. Shimrra says "Ow," and proceeds to waste him in melee combat.
Originally posted by jollyjim311
Are you kidding me? He has a defence against every other force attack, though. Illusions and the like might not even effect him, seeing as how he is a Vong. Even if Marka did make illusions, then what? Shimrra attacks them, and realizes it, until Mark jumps out from hiding, yells "Booga booga!" and chops at him with all of his strength. Shimrra says "Ow," and proceeds to waste him in melee combat.
Why would Ragnos reveal himself? He would attack Shimmra with dozens of illusions at the same time, then when he is completely distracted Ragnos stabs him in the heart.
Like Ludo's? 'Cause, that one kind of breaks against a table...
Originally posted by jollyjim311
Like Ludo's? 'Cause, that one kind of breaks against a table...
Erm, he meant to break his sword, to show his frustration.
Originally posted by jollyjim311
Then Shimrra would mean to break Marka's sword, to show him an ass-kicking.
Your being a bit ridiculous. Even if Shimmras' armor was capable of deflecting Ragnos' sword(which is inconclusive), Ragnos would just WTFpwn Shimmra with indirect force attacks. There is no way that Shimmra would be able kill Ragnos, because Ragnos could have himself cloaked within mass numbers of illusions.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
1. Then we give Shimrra the basics of the yammosk technology which would see right through illusions-as most Vong artificial eyes have-And then there's the detail most illusions require concentration
Erm, proof that this 'yammosk technology' would be capable of seeing through illusions, which are the product of sith magic(something the Vong have never encountered before).
And yes it required Naga Sadows full concentration to create armies, however a couple dozen illusions wouldnt be that difficult at all. Not to mention that Ragnos is more powerful than Sadow.
[B]Yes, something Ragnos is incapable of sensing, let alone affecting? And given that most Jedi have been hit by the projectiles, which are so small and fast that most force users don't even SEE them and given how fast Vong can toss things...
Well Ragnos has a lot of options. He could raise a barrier using indirect force techniques in order to protect himself from Shimrra's weaponry.
Exar Kun did blast through temple walls with his magics. Ragnos could blast anything Shimrra throws at him with the same type of energy. He was stated to have possessed greater strength in the force than Sadow, and Sadow was the one that made the amulets Kun himself used.
Of course Luke was tired. And how do shapers come close to matching force based boosts? Considring many elite Vong have been able to match Jedi in tests of skill and speed...Shedao Shai vs. Corran anyone?
Tell me what happened and detail Corran's skill and speed with a lightsaber.
Alright, let's add that to small projectiles Ragnos can't even SEE, let alone sense or react to...and where's Sith alchemy 'cut through basically anything?'
In Jedi academy Sith swords were demonstrated as resisting straight on saber attacks.
If Ragnos can empower his armour with such magics, I do not think Shimrra can affect him.
Oh, and great assumption that Ragnos is going to hurl himself in force boosted right off the bat. In the time it takes to run in, Shimrra could easily lob a plasma grenade his way
Didn't take much time:
and unless Ragnos knows how to sense Vong-unlikely given that Dark Siders are beyond the Unifying Force abilitoes, Ragnosis going to have to deal with Shimrra on even ground
Even if what you say is true and Ragnos CANNOT sense Shimrra's weaponry, he can rely on indirect means to protect himself, ex., creating barrier around himself.
and given that Shimrra's strength is tip top of a race whose POLITICIANS are twice as powerful as a full grown, healthy human...and speed? An average Vong subaltern was able to flick several daggers out of the air, thrown by a noghri-one of the top assassin races in the galaxy- cover the distance to the Noghri, sweep his legs out and impaled him...before the daggers had hit the round.
The ancient Sith were also renknowned for their great strength, and thus were able to generate enough muscular force to move a giant bastard sword at great speeds. Being able to change the momentum and direction of such heavy objects at such correspondingly small amounts of time means that the ancient Sith must have been tremendously strong.
And gee, considering while Ragnos stops to concentrate, I'd love to see Ragnos take a razor bug in the face. What would happen? Gee, I'll go with the guy wearing nearly totally impenetrable vonduum crab armor that has managed to withstand bladed weapons and sabers. Why not
Sadow empowered himself in less than 2 seconds. Why woudln't Ragnos, a Sith Lord who Sadow clearly respected and feared, be able to do so as well?
How about more likely Ragnos panics when he finds out all his godly force powers don't mean a thing to Shimrra and takes a plasma eel full in the face when he tries to stop it with the force and can't? Seems just as likely. Or that Shimrra is able to at least match him with skill and power.
Ragnos has his own equipment, ie., amulets and can generate means to defend himself against Shimrra's attacks, ie ripping the ground from underneath Shimrra's feat, hurling boulders to deter Shimrra.
Originally posted by zephiel7
Ragnos has his own equipment, ie., amulets and can generate means to defend himself against Shimrra's attacks, ie ripping the ground from underneath Shimrra's feat, hurling boulders to deter Shimrra.
Haha, he can do those things all of a sudden?
1) Ragnos has demonstrated the ability to do none of that.
2) Shimrra could easily move out of the way, he's fast as all hell.
3) Sadow, someone we can agree is at least in the same group as Ragnos, when in a duel, managed to throw a single brick with the force as an attack, nothing impressive at all.
4) Amulet blasts, uber or not, are direct force attacks. They'll effect Vong, along with their technology to no degree. This means thud bugs, blast bugs, and plasma eels would all hit Ragnos... yup, in the face. Also:
- Ragnos has never shown us any use of force powers... at all.
- Ragnos has never shown to have this type of amulet.
OH, yes, it'll REALLY occur to Ragnos to do that in /2 seconds. A 'barrier'...you've got this from WHERE? Oh, there's proof Ragnos could do the same thing as Exar. None? Ok then. Oh, and considering that's force enrgy, how can it work on Vong tech?
Oh, wow! Vong armor and weapons are resistant to sabers, too. And none of that'll save Ragnos from being constricted or having something tossed at his unprotected face.
Shedao was matching Corran Horn, who's only one of the best Jedi of the order. Nuff said.
And no, Vengeance. Vong tech is unaffected by the force. period. And it still requires concentration to create illusions, so sorry. And yeah, yammosks see through illusions. Period. As the force can't affect them, they see right through it.
Proof Ragnos can create a barrier and that it'd block something Yuuzhan Vong as NOTHING of theirs is affected by a dark sider?
Oh, two seconds, wow! One more than it'd take for a razor bug to slice his head in two.
And yes, in the time it takes for Ragnos to focus for those attacks-which'll occur to him immediately how? He'll have an amphistaff through his face.